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[Tennessee88]

 Can an artificial intelligence be justified at all? 

[STG]

Geth's first experience with an organic race is quarians trying to exterminate them. I too would be hostile to organics after a display like that.

[Slayer299]

DarthSliver wrote...
Also I love Legion, his better than HK-47 lol.

Better than HK-47?? Blasphemy! How can you say that about a droid who defines love as; "Definition:
'Love' is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope. Statement: This definition, I am told, is subject to interpretation. Obviously, love is a matter of odds. Not many meatbags could make such a shot, and fewer would derive love from it. Yet for me, love is knowing your target, putting them in your targeting reticle, and together, achieving a singular purpose, against statistically long odds.[/i]"

:lol:

Modifié par Slayer299, 04 février 2011 - 05:28 .

[Slayer299]

Fromyou wrote...

Hence the title do you think the Geth are justified for their actions to the point where they become controlled by the Reapers. To add on are they justified for attacks on innocent people and not allowing quirans back

I believe the Geth were justified in protecting themselves from the initial assault by the Quarians, but the genocide they committed against the Quarians stepped way over that border and into excess afterwards with the brutal extermination of billions of Quarians.

[282xvl]

Tennessee88 wrote...

 Can an artificial intelligence be justified at all? 

No.

According to Citadel law the very existence of any form of AI is illegal and unjustified. Send in the Fleet and be done with it.

[DarthSliver]

Slayer299 wrote...

Fromyou wrote...

Hence the title do you think the Geth are justified for their actions to the point where they become controlled by the Reapers. To add on are they justified for attacks on innocent people and not allowing quirans back

I believe the Geth were justified in protecting themselves from the initial assault by the Quarians, but the genocide they committed against the Quarians stepped way over that border and into excess afterwards with the brutal extermination of billions of Quarians.

Well its obvious the Geth knew the Quarians would wipe them out. Whose to say that the Geth didnt try at first to just attack the attackers, there is no clear knowledge to that. Remember Legion said everytime the Quarians thought they had the upper hand they would attack. This shows that even though the Quarians were losing they kept the war going. The Geth were forced if you ask me to attack civilians. Remember in WWII, using the two atomic bombs on Japan was the only way the US was able to get them to surrender leaving only the Germans left at that point. In a way its very similar. 

So did the the Geth commit Genocide? I say the answer is no. Remember Legion what said everytime the Quarians thought they had the upper hand they would attack. Again this shows the Quarians were losing and again this shows that it was mostly the Quarians that forced the Geth to attack the innocent. So again I say The Quarians brought this upon themselves.

Allow me to explain myself better. The Quarians provoked their own annihilation. They knew the Geth evolved into sentient beings the moment the first Geth ask the question, remember Legion said it wasnt the first time the Geth asked about its purpose. Just after awhile the Quarians decided to do something about, which in turn gave enough time for the Geth to get smarter. Essentially when the Quarians dealt the first blow, the Geth knew the actions the Quarians were doing would lead to their destruction. By than too they knew some kind of value of life and knew what the Quarians were doing was wrong. At that point it was survival of the fittest, and it comes down to survival sometimes a point of annihilating the opponent is the only option. Which if you listen to Legions story about the Quarians always mounting an assault when they thought they had the upper hand would lead to, the Geth were self-preserving.  In the end as i said before The Quarians brough this upon themselves.

[Pro_Consul]

DarthSliver wrote...

Remember Legion said everytime the Quarians thought they had the upper hand they would attack. This shows that even though the Quarians were losing they kept the war going. The Geth were forced if you ask me to attack civilians.

This is a key right here. Instead of trying to complain that the Geth did not try diplomacy while the Quarians were trying to massacre them, instead ask why the Quarians time and again refused to stop attacking the Geth...even to the current ME time frame. The Quarians are the relentless ones here, even to the point of self-immolation.

As for adam's attempt to divide the blame between the military and their intended victims, while painting the vast majority of Quarians as lily-white innocent: that doesn't fly. Over and over the Quarian forces attacked the Geth every time they thought they had an advantage, and every time they lost more ground and more lives. Now I can understand blaming the military alone for that initial attack, but when the attacks continued over and over and over, then this vast majority of "innocent" Quarians had more than ample opportunity to intervene and force their military to stand down and end the cycle of relentless aggression. Instead the attacks continued, until the only way the conflict could be brought to an end was for the Geth to drive the Quarians so near the brink of extinction that they were finally compelled to flee into exile. And once that exile ended hostilities, the Geth did nothing to pursue or resume the fight despite having overwhelming superiority. Yet the Quarians even now are still plotting to attack the Geth again...

Suicidal madness.

[Thompson family]

Bottom line: The Geth sent Legion to find Shepard and send out peace feelers.



If their goal was to wipe out the Quarians, that is no longer the case.

[hawat333]

Fromyou wrote... To add on are they justified for attacks on innocent people and not allowing quirans back 

If you're solely speaking about the heretics, then no.
If you're talkign about the geth as a whole, it's a bit more complicated.

The quarians wanted to exterminate the entire geth species.
It wouldn't have been a crime before they gained self-awareness.
But they tried it exactly for the very reason - the geth became alive.
The quarians are hardly innocent in this. The geth then became aggressive against everyone who entered their territory. It's reasonable, as the only time they made contact with an organic race, these organics tried to wipe them out. So yes, the geth aggression is a _self-defending response_ to the Quarian Sin, and therefore it's justified.
As for the geth attacks outside their own territory, we know that it was the indoctrination of the Reapers. Actually not, but well, a faciton of them who got the Repaer idea. It's like the pirates in ME1 or mercenary bands, etc. It's not the geth, but a rogue limb of the body.
Not that the geth was the innocent victim here, but they were to be exterminated, because the quarians tried to played god and failed, so I can see a justfication for attacking those who get inside their territory. Not that they are right to do it, but as for the matter of your initial question, they are justified in this.

The Heretics on the other hand, no, they aren't.

[Collider]

It is up to the geth to offer peace.

[008Zulu]

adam_grif wrote...

Yeah, even though they indiscriminately slaughtered tens of billions of civilians, they're the good guys because they didn't go out of their way to slaughter the last couple of thousand after they retreated? Try again. You have zero evidence to suggest that this is even the reason why they didn't kill them, as opposed to just because they didn't know where they had run away to, or because they fled to council space and the Geth pursuing meant triggering a war they could never win.

But even if it was, it doesn't make them "good". By any stretch of the imagination.

Never said the Geth were "good", just in that war they were the better
man. Tracking the Quarians would have been a simple task, they knew the
Quarians tranmission protocols and encryption keys. If you know those
then the enemy is as good as dead. As for them killing tens of billions of civillians, guessing thats hyperbole on your part. The Geth would have attacked the greatest threat first, the Quarian military, in the fighting the civiliians would have been ordered out of the combat zones to safety.

adam_grif wrote...


Right, so when the Geth had won the fight to survival and could go wherever they wanted and had the Quarians military well and truly defeated, and they decided to just keep fighting them instead of negotiating a peace, that was... what exactly?

After they drove the Quarrians out they setup their borders. When you are negotiating, it is best to do it from a position of strength. The Quarrians would have ignored their request for peace and continued killing them. The total victory of the Geth didnt leave much of a government or military to negotiate with. Besides, the Quarrians were still terrified of what the Geth had become, such instabilities do not lend themselves to a peaceful resolution. They had to be given time to cool their heads as it were.

Ofcourse Sovereign had to stick his beak in and rev up fear of the Geth. So any hopes for peace were virtually extinct. Shepard, Legion and Tali are the best chance for peace now.

[adam_grif]

As for adam's attempt to divide the blame between the military and their intended victims, while painting the vast majority of Quarians as lily-white innocent: that doesn't fly. Over and over the Quarian forces attacked the Geth every time they thought they had an advantage, and every time they lost more ground and more lives.

Erm, this is all taking place after the Geth have risen up and started slaughtering Quarians indiscriminately. OF COURSE the Quarians attacked when they thought they could win, because they were at war and as far as they know the Geth are actively trying to destroy them. What has this got to do with the possibility of negotiating an end to hostilities?

Now I can understand blaming the military alone for that initial attack, but when the attacks continued over and over and over, then this vast majority of "innocent" Quarians had more than ample opportunity to intervene and force their military to stand down and end the cycle of relentless aggression.

Why would they stop military actions against a race of robots who are trying to kill them, robots who never negotiate and freely wipe out civilian populations? The reason I'm reprimanding the Geth here is because they had won, but despite this victory they still felt the need to keep exterminating Quarian civilians. Not just overall, but individually as well. They owned the Quarian homeworld, so why did they wipe out all the civilians? Had they not, had they left them alive, they would clearly be in the right in this conflict. Not only that, this could have forced a quick end to hostilities since they would conveniently have like, a billion hostages.

[Slayer299]

DarthSliver wrote...
Well its obvious the Geth knew the Quarians would wipe them out. Whose to say that the Geth didnt try at first to just attack the attackers, there is no clear knowledge to that. Remember Legion said everytime the Quarians thought they had the upper hand they would attack. This shows that even though the Quarians were losing they kept the war going. The Geth were forced if you ask me to attack civilians. Remember in WWII, using the two atomic bombs on Japan was the only way the US was able to get them to surrender leaving only the Germans left at that point. In a way its very similar. 

It's not similar at all. The use of two atomic weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki doesn't even come *close* to near genocide. I think you've mixed up history there, Germany surrendered *before* Japan. And the bombs dropped on Japan killed approx 200,000 out of a population of 77 million. Not 17 million alive out of 8 - 10 billion.

So did the the Geth commit Genocide? I say the answer is no. Remember Legion what said everytime the Quarians thought they had the upper hand they would attack. Again this shows the Quarians were losing and again this shows that it was mostly the Quarians that forced the Geth to attack the innocent. So again I say The Quarians brought this upon themselves.

So you're saying that the Quarian civilians were attacking Geth too? That's what makes the extermination of civilians acceptable? The Quarians attacked the Geth yes, but its obvious the Geth went beyond fighting the Quarian military forces. Overkill much?

Which if you listen to Legions story about the Quarians always mounting an assault when they thought they had the upper hand would lead to, the Geth were self-preserving.  In the end as i said before [u]The Quarians brough this upon themselves.

The Quarians thought only a few might have become sentient and tried to shut down *malfunctioning* machines. So you're saying that completely annihlating a species *isn't* genocide? And that any attempts of genocide can be rationalized away with "we were protecting ourselvs by elininating the people who threatended us!" And why is it that everything Legion says is treated as gospel, because without another non-Geth source of information to verify what we're told it amazes me how its accepted that everything said is the truth.  In the end the Geth [b]were not justified, (See I can use bold face too!)

[Slayer299]

008Zulu wrote...
Never said the Geth were "good", just in that war they were the better man. Tracking the Quarians would have been a simple task, they knew the Quarians tranmission protocols and encryption keys. If you know those then the enemy is as good as dead. As for them killing tens of billions of civillians, guessing thats hyperbole on your part. The Geth would have attacked the greatest threat first, the Quarian military, in the fighting the civiliians would have been ordered out of the combat zones to safety.

No, it's not hyperbole - http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Quarian. If the ME Earth has a present population of 11.4 billion and the Quarians have 17 million left out of both their colonies and from Rannoch. Somehow I doubt that the rest of the Quarians who died were all soldiers.

[Zing Freelancer]

This thread is made if fail.



Lets think about what we learned from Mass Effect story and try to understand it as good as we fleshy things can.



The first thing we learned was the Quarians creating AI with ability to connect and share data and the ability to learn. This alone deserve a double face palm.

AI alone is bad, but when they can learn and share their resources.... Oh well.



So we know it ended up in a bloody war and quarians deserting their home world, nowhere did we hear that Quarians actually tried to surrender. Or maybe they did and I just missed it completely out? Quarians didnt gave the rat ass about Geth, they just simply run to fight another day.



In Mass Effect 2 we learned more about Geth. We learned that for past 300 years they studied organic creatures based on communication they intercepted.They are trying to understand us, why if not to be able to socialize with us? My logic says Geth are still in infant stage, they dont really know who they are or what their purpose are. All they are trying to do is make sure they are safe, have a safe place they can call home.



Legion interaction lead me to believe that Geth do feel guilty about what they did to creators, but they wanted to live and like hell they will let Quarians return.

WHEN: one third of quarians want to enslave geth and turn them into personal labour units, one third wish to exterminate all geth and only one third wish to have peace.

So we have two thirds of Quarians want to commit one or another atrocities against geth. That is based on what you experience under Tali's trial on flotilla.





tl;dr

I can understand quarians, I mean, if your PC suddenly asked you whether or not it had soul... The first thing you do is to pull out the power cord.

On the other hand, this thread should be called "Are the Quarians Justified?" for the self inflicted hell?

They refused their creation, their children and tried to stomp them. Bad parents will be bad parents, no need to blame children for their own mistakes.

[DaVanguard]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

This thread is made if fail.

Lets think about what we learned from Mass Effect story and try to understand it as good as we fleshy things can.

The first thing we learned was the Quarians creating AI with ability to connect and share data and the ability to learn. This alone deserve a double face palm.
AI alone is bad, but when they can learn and share their resources.... Oh well.

So we know it ended up in a bloody war and quarians deserting their home world, nowhere did we hear that Quarians actually tried to surrender. Or maybe they did and I just missed it completely out? Quarians didnt gave the rat ass about Geth, they just simply run to fight another day.

In Mass Effect 2 we learned more about Geth. We learned that for past 300 years they studied organic creatures based on communication they intercepted.They are trying to understand us, why if not to be able to socialize with us? My logic says Geth are still in infant stage, they dont really know who they are or what their purpose are. All they are trying to do is make sure they are safe, have a safe place they can call home.

Legion interaction lead me to believe that Geth do feel guilty about what they did to creators, but they wanted to live and like hell they will let Quarians return.
WHEN: one third of quarians want to enslave geth and turn them into personal labour units, one third wish to exterminate all geth and only one third wish to have peace.
So we have two thirds of Quarians want to commit one or another atrocities against geth. That is based on what you experience under Tali's trial on flotilla.


tl;dr
I can understand quarians, I mean, if your PC suddenly asked you whether or not it had soul... The first thing you do is to pull out the power cord.
On the other hand, this thread should be called "Are the Quarians Justified?" for the self inflicted hell?
They refused their creation, their children and tried to stomp them. Bad parents will be bad parents, no need to blame children for their own mistakes.

fully agree

[General User]

Slayer299 wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...
Well its obvious the Geth knew the Quarians would wipe them out. Whose to say that the Geth didnt try at first to just attack the attackers, there is no clear knowledge to that. Remember Legion said everytime the Quarians thought they had the upper hand they would attack. This shows that even though the Quarians were losing they kept the war going. The Geth were forced if you ask me to attack civilians. Remember in WWII, using the two atomic bombs on Japan was the only way the US was able to get them to surrender leaving only the Germans left at that point. In a way its very similar. 

It's not similar at all. The use of two atomic weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki doesn't even come *close* to near genocide. I think you've mixed up history there, Germany surrendered *before* Japan. And the bombs dropped on Japan killed approx 200,000 out of a population of 77 million. Not 17 million alive out of 8 - 10 billion.

I agree.

If, after dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, the US landed soldiers and shot every survivor (even the injured, and those attempting to surrender) THEN it would be analogous to what the geth did to the quarians. 

Modifié par General User, 04 février 2011 - 02:02 .

[Slayer299]

edit - double post

Modifié par Slayer299, 04 février 2011 - 05:27 .

[AkiKishi]

People are judging the Geth from an organic perspective like the Quarrians did. The Geth are totally alien how they think and react is very different. They have no concept of individualism or family and they don't understand hate.

You can't really blame the Geth in the way you could blame and organic race. What they did was wrong. But also understandable from their perspective at the time.

I think that's why Legion and Tali on the crew could be a very good plot tool in ME3. Tali's curious character means she inevitably going to start observing Legion and talking to him. Even at their heated confrontation she offered an olive branch of sorts. Legion will also learn about various aspects of organics first hand from observing the crew.

Once they actually understand each other to some degree they may find a way to get along better.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 04 février 2011 - 02:11 .

[Slayer299]

Zing Freelancer wrote...
So we know it ended up in a bloody war and quarians deserting their home world, nowhere did we hear that Quarians actually tried to surrender. Or maybe they did and I just missed it completely out? Quarians didnt gave the rat ass about Geth, they just simply run to fight another day.

The Quarians fled because they were getting wiped out of existence, hardly just running to fight another day.

In Mass Effect 2 we learned more about Geth. We learned that for past 300 years they studied organic creatures based on communication they intercepted.They are trying to understand us, why if not to be able to socialize with us? My logic says Geth are still in infant stage, they dont really know who they are or what their purpose are. All they are trying to do is make sure they are safe, have a safe place they can call home.

Yes, so for the last 300 years with all their studying of organics and communication with them, then all the people who've strayed into the Perseus Veil just vanished mysteriously and it had nothing to do with the Geth? I guess that explains everthing <_<

I can understand quarians, I mean, if your PC suddenly asked you whether or not it had soul... The first thing you do is to pull out the power cord.
On the other hand, this thread should be called "Are the Quarians Justified?" for the self inflicted hell?
They refused their creation, their children and tried to stomp them. Bad parents will be bad parents, no need to blame children for their own mistakes.

So then, you shouldn't hold any individual responsible for their actions because "they had bad parents?" That's a scary world you live in.

The Quarians did create their problem with the Geth, yes, they tried to get too creative with them and it bit them. The Geth were responsible for the extermination of billions of Quarians, that is clear from the codex entries for ME as it verfies what Tali tells you in ME. So the Quarians were responsible for creating their problem, but the Geth are 100% responsible for the deaths of all the Quarians outside the military forces.

[Slayer299]

BobSmith101 wrote...

People are judging the Geth from an organic perspective like the Quarrians did. The Geth are totally alien how they think and react is very different. They have no concept of individualism or family and they don't understand hate.

You can't really blame the Geth in the way you could blame and organic race. What they did was wrong. But also understandable from their perspective at the time.

You're probably right that the Geth don't hate since they don't have emotions and their actions were dictated by a cold logic that did not differentiate between military and civilians, but to me, that doesn't justify their actions in the end.

I think that's why Legion and Tali on the crew could be a very good plot tool in ME3. Tali's curious character means she inevitably going to start observing Legion and talking to him. Even at their heated confrontation she offered an olive branch of sorts. Legion will also learn about various aspects of organics first hand from observing the crew.

Once they actually understand each other to some degree they may find a way to get along better.

I TOTALLY agree with that and I hope to actually see that in ME3.

[Zing Freelancer]

Sorry I think you misunderstand. I didnt excuse Geth for what they've done. I simply blame quarians for the whole mess. If you as a parent try to kill your child, then your own child kill you in self defence. Justified?

If you find a welp and start abusing it, driving it to the brink of death, out of desperation and pain that poor animal will bite you. Granted he is too small to kill you, but geth had the very same fragile whelp like mind and the Quarians was the  bully.


As for what happened to people going into Geth territory? Dont know, ask them yourself?
Besides, our game Mass Effect experience starts when Heretic Geath already became reality.

Modifié par Zing Freelancer, 04 février 2011 - 02:19 .

[V-rex]

Isn't it funny? Everyone keeps on going on about how the Geth are 'so different' and 'not like us' and 'basically mindless machines' as a justification for why the Quarians were within their rights to destroy them all... but then when it comes to the part about the actual battle they keep judging the Geth by 'our' standards. 'They should have known about the value of the lives of women and children', 'they were heartless monsters who butchered millions because they are just plain evil'.

So basically the overall thing I'm getting from this is that the Geth are different to us and aren't comparable to organics or standards of organics in any way as long as we are talking about shutting them all down, but when they start enacting war on us, they get judged according to our standards. Apparently now they should have known better about emotions and stuff. And thus by looking at it from our standpoint, which they are now worthy of being judged by despite being dismissed as 'toasters' a while ago, they are war criminals. Not machines that are broken.

Anyway, as it stands, if you ask me trying to find the army that holds the moral high ground in this situation is like trying to find Godzilla in the middle of Pride and Prejudice. It's just not there. Both sides were being dicks to an absolutely surgically perfectly precisely equal degree.
The Quarians were dicks for responding to a newly formed sentient race that asked "Do I have a soul?" with instant attempt at total destruction.
The Geth were dicks for going full out systematic with their response to the Quarians by going into all out war and relentlessly forcing them into exile.
And the Quarians are dicks for constantly trying to continue the war even when it was becoming more and more obvious that they lost and having spent the last three hundred years gearing up for a pointless war even though they have a snowballs chance in hell of actually winning.
And the Geth are dicks for completely isolating themselves from the rest of the galaxy and responding to any attempt to communicate with them with fear and violence.

NO ONE owns the upper hand here. NO ONE gets the coveted 'Moral High Ground'. Instead both sides recieve the proud 'Golden **** and Balls' award for Militant Dickishness. Okay? Both sides are on the Death Wang Express Train heading to the land of Dickington. And they are going to grab it by the balls.

... okay I'm done with these.

Both sides were engaged in a war of genocide. Had either side truly 'won' then it would have resulted in the complete destruction of the other. Both sides were going to great and incredibally brutal lengths to destroy the other. Frankly I very much doubt that it was a case of the Geth defeating the Government then going and eating the souls of all the terrified women and children who remained.
I refuse to believe that there wouldn't be survivng military. Even with the biggest army you could imagine it would still take time to destroy an entire planet's government and army leaving only delicious squishy civilians.
Both sides were going to war and would probably have been prepared to go on until the last man standing. If the attitude of the bear minimum of the Quarian population of Mass Effect 2 is anything to go on, the Quarians would continue the war for as long as they could and the Geth would continue to fight for as long as they needed to. And yes, billions were lost. Yes it was a tragedy, but since both sides were determined to keep fighting like that, it's not surprising.
Of course it was genocide. Of bloody course it was, I can't really deny that.
But hey, in Gears of War do any of the humans give any thought to any blameless infant Locust that might be killed in the end? No, because both sides are aiming for the complete destruction of the other and neither seem interested in negotiating.

Thing is, I never actually heard anything about a Quarian full retreat, or a Quarian surrender for the Geth to acknowledge. Just as I never heard any Geth negotiations or attempts to end the fighting on their end. So hence, I'm inclined to believe that the war just went on and on and on until finally the Quarians were forced to retreat.
I hear a lot about how the Geth never tried to negotiate peace terms with the Quarians. Well neither did the Quarians for the Geth. Neither side did, and had either side done so maybe things would have turned out differently.

Again, no moral high ground in this situation. Sure the Geth were killing off the Quarians, but so too were the Quarians consistantly trying to attack the Geth. Indeed the fact that the Quarians tried to shut down the entire Geth network doesn't make it okay to kill them all, but still the fact that the Geth were aiming to kill all the Quarians doesn't make it any less of a fact that what had been done to the Geth was wrong as well.

So yes, OP I absolutely think the Geth were justified in attacking back to survive. And I would even go as far to say they had a right to continue fighting, given that all evidence seems to suggest the Quarians were as well. That said, yes they went too far. Yes they have sinned, caused death and devastation and mayhem in the process.
However yes, they were justified to fight back against a force that tried to kill them. And to continue the fight against a force that continued to try to kill them. It was a war of self defence, and both sides were fighting it. Both sides were equally heros and dicks. Victims and Villains.
But no one claims the moral high ground in this instance.

The only reason I'm more biased in favor of the Geth is that, if Legion is to be believed and frankly he can't be any more biased about this whole situation then say Tali, then the Geth have acknowledged their crimes, seem aware that what they did was wrong. And haven't actually tried anything against the Quarians in over three hundred years.
Meanwhile the Quarians have barely seemed to do anything BUT try things against the Geth, going in and attacking them. Stealing their parts, performing weapons tests on them and never even acknowledging for even a moment that the Geth had well and truly been intitially wronged by them.

No I don't think it makes the past any less dark for either side, both sides were still dicks. And are only continuing to be dicks to this day, if they could actually acknowledge their crimes against one another and instead try to work out a compromise that benefits both sides.
But no, the Quarians still want to wage war and the Geth still retaliate with fear and aggression most things that enter their system. So for now we are still at the point where both sides are neck and neck in the:
"Who can be the bigger dick?"
Competition.

Modifié par V-rex, 04 février 2011 - 02:28 .

[Zing Freelancer]

V-rex wrote...
"Who can be the bigger dick?"
Competition.

You are one huge dick Mr.V-rex
I could never write it better, so I simply going to agree with what you wrote.
Reminded me about the Legendary ending of Halo Combat Evolved

Just to point out: Geth never really die, when their physical shell is destroyed their program simply uploads into nearby platform/storage device if such is available.

Modifié par Zing Freelancer, 04 février 2011 - 02:34 .

[V-rex]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

V-rex wrote...
"Who can be the bigger dick?"
Competition.

You are one huge dick Mr.V-rex

I try.:innocent:

Also while it's true that Geth never truly 'die' as long as there are networks to upload themselves to, I doubt very much that there wouldn't have been multiple attempts by Quarians to destroy said networks. Or possibly EMP blasts, whatever the case I doubt the Quarian resistance just collapsed into disarray leaving nothing but civilians to plead for their lives.
If there wasn't SOME kind of fighting organized force remaining in the Quarian population, there wouldn't have been a Migrant Fleet.
What I'm saying is, this was total war on both sides. Neither comes out looking like the good guy. In reality, that's what war is, no glory.... just death:

"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all
moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the
shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for
vengeance, for desolation. War is hell."

-William Tecumseh Sherman

Modifié par V-rex, 04 février 2011 - 02:43 .