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[mgs00]

What is the best the main gun for zaeed and garrus?

[Alexander Kogan]

Garrus beats everyone with the incisor rifle.

[Schneidend]

The Incisor seems to be ridiculously potent in the hands of any companion who wields it.

[Praetor Knight]

The Mattock works wonders on Husks with Squad Cryo and seems to freeze more often also for other enemies.

That combo is especially effective on Klixen, Varren, Vorcha, Krogan and Mechs.

But the damage output with the Incisor is awesome, the Vindicator comes in second for damage output, with the Mattock a very, very close third, IME.

[kstarler]

The Mattock has a very high proc rate, so if you're looking to freeze enemies with squad cryo, you're likely to get better use out of the Mattock. If you're looking for pure damage, the Incisor beats all because all three shots always hit when fired by squad mates.

[mgs00]

i just noticed garrus sucks with incisor whille zaeed murders people frequently with that gun and this is on new game+ insanity but it was vs a heavy weapon enemy.

Modifié par mgs00, 03 février 2011 - 05:40 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

^That's just bad luck then.



The Incisor beats all the rest in DPS b/c apparently it isn't damage-capped for squademates like every other gun is.



While the Mattock has a very high proc rate, I think the 3-shot burst from the Incisor should give it a comparable one.



I don't remember how well the squadmates use the Vindicator.

[Evilbrood]

Zaeed rapes with the Incisor along with Mercenary Warlord. I tend to give Garrus the Vindicator.

[implodinggoat]

In my experience the best damage output for any squad member who can use it comes from the Incisor, followed closely by the Vindicator and Mattock which seem to be pretty much even as far as I can tell.



Only downside with the Incisor is the color scheme doesn't really look very good on anyone but Garrus.



The only thing that beats out the Incisor is if you mod a Revenant into a squad member's hands.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

We should mod Revenants into the entire team's hands - 13 Revenants ftw!

[jwalker]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

^That's just bad luck then.

The Incisor beats all the rest in DPS b/c apparently it isn't damage-capped for squademates like every other gun is.

While the Mattock has a very high proc rate, I think the 3-shot burst from the Incisor should give it a comparable one.

I don't remember how well the squadmates use the Vindicator.

No, it is. 0.60 like the others if I'm not mistaken.
But they're insanely accurate with it. They perform a lot of headshots and don't have the recoil problem.
Zaeed, Garrus  and Thane rock with the Incisor.

[implodinggoat]

I'm not sure if allies not having the same damage reduction as other guns with the Incisor is fact or rumor; but regardless they are lethal with it.



Since it has a high amount of ammo they fire it more frequently than other Sniper Rifles (even though in Shepard's hands its probably the most ammo inefficient gun in the game) and unlike Shepard they also seem to be able to land all 3 shots from its 3 round burst as headshots.



Kind of ironic that what is in my opinion the worst gun in the game in the hands of the player is also the most lethal in the hands of your squad.

[jwalker]

implodinggoat wrote...

I'm not sure if allies not having the same damage reduction as other guns with the Incisor is fact or rumor; but regardless they are lethal with it.

Since it has a high amount of ammo they fire it more frequently than other Sniper Rifles (even though in Shepard's hands its probably the most ammo inefficient gun in the game) and unlike Shepard they also seem to be able to land all 3 shots from its 3 round burst as headshots.

Kind of ironic that what is in my opinion the worst gun in the game in the hands of the player is also the most lethal in the hands of your squad.

I'd say it's more like a joke.
I tried once the Incisor in Garrus RM... Even there the ammo is a pain. You don't replenish your whole reserve with a couple of thermal clips, you need several of them...
It's too bad you don't have a viable option between the Mantis and the Viper.

[implodinggoat]

jwalker wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Kind of ironic that what is in my opinion the worst gun in the game in the hands of the player is also the most lethal in the hands of your squad.

I'd say it's more like a joke.
I tried once the Incisor in Garrus RM... Even there the ammo is a pain. You don't replenish your whole reserve with a couple of thermal clips, you need several of them...
It's too bad you don't have a viable option between the Mantis and the Viper.

I actually think the Incisor should be treated more like a scoped assault rifle in ME3.  As it is it does less damage per shot than any other Sniper Rifle; but it does have a large clip size.

If it was just as it is in ME2; but also the most ammo efficient Sniper Rifle it would be a viable option.  As is though its incredibly inefficient with ammo and as a result totally worthless in the player's hands.

I do think a Sniper Rifle which bridges the gap between the Viper and Mantis (or Widow) would be a good addition though, ideally something with less ammo than the Viper and a 4 round clip like the Halo Sniper Rifle that does an amount of damage per shot somewhere between a Viper shot and a Mantis shot.

I also think the Viper is an overpowered weapon considering that it can compete with the Widow for DPS; but doesn't punish innaccuraccy as the Widow or Mantis do.   For ME3 I think they need to tone down its damage and decrease its ammo supply a bit, also I'd like to see a fully upgraded Mantis have a larger ammo reserve than a Widow so that it too would always be a viable choice and never an obsolete weapon.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

IMO the Viper isn't really overpowered, the Mantis and Incisor are just underpowered/broken. None of the advanced weapons are, or were, imho really meant to be overpowered either. The Viper may not penalize players as much for missing, but shot for shot, it is much less powerful than either the Widow or Mantis. The Viper is also actually pretty ammo hungry (low ammo recovery) and it sucks at headshots. However, the Mantis is single shot, carries too few shots (less than the Widow), and is incapable of OSOK at higher levels. IMO, the Mantis is barely adequate as a starting weapon, nevermind as a mainstay gun throughout the game. The Incisor is just screwed up (the ammo recovery per clip is unchanged from the other SRs, despite the high RoF), so we never get to use it properly anyway.

I think the main reason the Viper stands out is just b/c it is accessible, and fills the long range role well for any class, whereas the Widow is exclusive to Soldiers and Infiltrators, and both the Mantis and Incisor are weak at their roles.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 04 février 2011 - 06:03 .

[ryoldschool]

I post this message just about every other month when the incisor comes up.



I Posted a message to Eric ****nan today:8/31/2010, 12:57 PM

An issue came up in the forums that said Incisor's were bugged ( ie squadmates had same damage as Shepard ). Is this a known fact? I recently did a test on IFF where Incisor on squadmates with squad cryo ammo was 10% better than same setup with Viper on squadmates ( suggested by another poster ). Would like to know for sure if this is true. Squadmates usually do x% of damage shepard does with same gun?





Here is his reply:



I asked our weapon designer and he has verified this in the past and the henchmen do still have a penalized damage output on that weapon. Keep in mind that henchmen are very accurate with that weapon, and the weapon always fires 3 bullets at a time. Also, henchmen have unlimited ammo.

[ryoldschool]

So yes, I always put incisor on Zaeed, Garrus, and Thane. Thane and Zaeed both have a 50% wepon damage boost in their passive so that makes them deadly.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

...hmm, I stand corrected about the Incisor's damage cap... I guess it's amazing what +50% triple headshots can do then.