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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Here's what I mean:

If you side with the Geth, there's the possibility that the Quarians will never have a world to settle, which may lead to them dying off, plus maybe not having sustainable numbers due to the war. That's a whole race wiped out. Sure the quarians were wrong for trying to wipe out the Geth in the first place, but that's still a WHOLE people gone (if you care about morals and whatnot). And the quarians really DO need a world to settle on.

Here's something else that I think (if you disagree please respond POLITELY, let's have some respect for people here)

Siding with the Geth benefits:
-Good soldiers for fight against Reapers
-Geth survive as a sentient race without the threat of the Quarians


Siding with Quarians Benefits:
-Quarians have a world to rebuild their race
-Quarians can work on their reputation in the galaxy (by getting paid the same as other workers, not cheaper labor)
-War with the Geth would over
-Largest fleet in the galaxy can make a good force for the fight against the Reapers even if some of the ships aren't in the best condition

Also, the Geth were easily thrown into a violent civil war because of a virus. This lead to some of the Geth attacking the Citadel, which afterwards the Council declared the geth as a whole a threat. The Quarians cannot attack the Citadel because they don't have the manpower or the tech to do so. Also, considering how AIs think, the Geth may decide one day that organics are inferior and need to be erased. The quarians wouldn't do this.This is just what I think. I want to see what you all think. But please be respectful. Attack me and I will report you.

[Nashiktal]

Quarians are also looking for new worlds to colonize. even if they go to war with the geth, they still have to store their non-combatants somewhere.

[AkiKishi]

Oh thats toughy....



Ok first character opinion. I'd fight the Galaxy for Tali.



Personal opinion. The Quarians look like a bit of an evolutionary dead end. A bit like the Giant Panda in space..

The Geth may well represent the future of sentient life. The Geth can go places and survive where organic life can't (especially Quarians). They are still evolving as they add more to their number.



Summation.



Quarrians are "Safe" not many of them and they are confined. Not many risks.

Geth is a huge gamble depending on what consesus they reach.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Nashiktal wrote...

Quarians are also looking for new worlds to colonize. even if they go to war with the geth, they still have to store their non-combatants somewhere.

True, but quite a few Quarians are over zealous about fighting the Geth to the point where they send non-combatants in just because they want to fight. Also, the Quarians are meeting heavy resistance when they try to colonize new worlds.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Oh thats toughy....

Ok first character opinion. I'd fight the Galaxy for Tali.

Personal opinion. The Quarians look like a bit of an evolutionary dead end. A bit like the Giant Panda in space..
The Geth may well represent the future of sentient life. The Geth can go places and survive where organic life can't (especially Quarians). They are still evolving as they add more to their number.

Summation.

Quarrians are "Safe" not many of them and they are confined. Not many risks.
Geth is a huge gamble depending on what consesus they reach.

The summation part is what I'm going for. Also, for resources, wouldn't the geth need more non-replaceable resources (such as metals and whatnot) than the quarians, who need food and water (which is easily replaced)?
That could lead to problems if the Geth run low on resources and decide to expand.

[Schneidend]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Also, the Geth were easily thrown into a violent civil war because of a virus. This lead to some of the Geth attacking the Citadel, which afterwards the Council declared the geth as a whole a threat. The Quarians cannot attack the Citadel because they don't have the manpower or the tech to do so. Also, considering how AIs think, the Geth may decide one day that organics are inferior and need to be erased. The quarians wouldn't do this.This is just what I think. I want to see what you all think. But please be respectful. Attack me and I will report you.

1) If by "easily" you mean "an ancient machine god had to use technology beyond anybody's comprehension" to permanently hack geth. Otherwise, geth can just simply re-load their software and be back to normal.

2) The geth attack on the Citadel was only truly successful with Sovereign's help and because Saren and a company of geth teleported directly onto the Presidium via mass relay.

3) The geth don't gain anything from wiping us out. Their only intention is to build a hub sophisticated enough to house all of them at once.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

That could lead to problems if the Geth run low on resources and decide to expand.

They have no need to expand. They could sit in their hubs as software all day if they wanted to.

Modifié par Schneidend, 03 février 2011 - 07:59 .

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The summation part is what I'm going for. Also, for resources, wouldn't the geth need more non-replaceable resources (such as metals and whatnot) than the quarians, who need food and water (which is easily replaced)?
That could lead to problems if the Geth run low on resources and decide to expand.

The Geth or should that just be Geth now? Can expand places where other sentient life can't ,they don't need breathable atmospheres, they don't need fertile ground, water or any of that other annoying stuff organic life does. That makes them able to colonise and thrive in places where they won't conflict.

At some point they will likely evolve some individuality or competing collectives and have wars just like everyone else though.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 février 2011 - 08:01 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Schneidend wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Also, the Geth were easily thrown into a violent civil war because of a virus. This lead to some of the Geth attacking the Citadel, which afterwards the Council declared the geth as a whole a threat. The Quarians cannot attack the Citadel because they don't have the manpower or the tech to do so. Also, considering how AIs think, the Geth may decide one day that organics are inferior and need to be erased. The quarians wouldn't do this.This is just what I think. I want to see what you all think. But please be respectful. Attack me and I will report you.

1) If by "easily" you mean "an ancient machine god had to use technology beyond anybody's comprehension" to permanently hack geth. Otherwise, geth can just simply re-load their software and be back to normal.

2) The geth attack on the Citadel was only truly successful with Sovereign's help and because Saren and a company of geth teleported directly onto the Presidium via mass relay.

3) The geth don't gain anything from wiping us out. Their only intention is to build a hub sophisticated enough to house all of them at once.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

That could lead to problems if the Geth run low on resources and decide to expand.

They have no need to expand. They could sit in their hubs as software all day if they wanted to.

1) I find the Salarians to be pretty good at sabotage (i.e. the genophage which pretty much destroyed the krogan). I think they are capable of doing it too.

2) If Sovereign had come alone, he would have been destroyed.

3) That was just a possibility, not an actual fact

Also, we do not know if they wish to expand or not.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The summation part is what I'm going for. Also, for resources, wouldn't the geth need more non-replaceable resources (such as metals and whatnot) than the quarians, who need food and water (which is easily replaced)?
That could lead to problems if the Geth run low on resources and decide to expand.

The Geth or should that just be Geth now? Can expand places where other sentient life can't ,they don't need breathable atmospheres, they don't need fertile ground, water or any of that other annoying stuff organic life does. That makes them able to colonise and thrive in places where they won't conflict.

At some point they will likely evolve some individuality or competing collectives and have wars just like everyone else though.

Who's to say that the other ever-expanding races won't come into contact with them?

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Who's to say that the other ever-expanding races won't come into contact with them?

It would have to be another inorganic race. Organic races would have no interest in those planets because they are not livable, like Hazard planets from ME. I'm only going on known ME races here, anything is possible otherwise.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 février 2011 - 08:08 .

[Schneidend]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

1) I find the Salarians to be pretty good at sabotage (i.e. the genophage which pretty much destroyed the krogan). I think they are capable of doing it too.

2) If Sovereign had come alone, he would have been destroyed.

3) That was just a possibility, not an actual fact

Also, we do not know if they wish to expand or not.

The quarians can't keep geth permanently hacked, and they built the geth. Geth simply re-load their programming when they are hacked, and are thus "cured" in seconds.

Sovereign's shields are designed to withstand the commonplace weapons of civilizations built on mass relay technology indefinitely. That's why the reapers let us have the mass relays, so we'll only build technology they can easily defend themselves against. The mass accelerator cannon used to down the Derelict Reaper was likely a surprise attack and an especially powerful weapon that wouldn't fit on a dreadnought .

Yes, we do know they don't want to expand. In fact, they want to do the opposite. They want to be able to upload themselves to one single "Master Hub." If they could all live on a single space station, they would.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Who's to say that the other ever-expanding races won't come into contact with them?

It would have to be another inorganic race. Organic races would have no interest in those planets because they are not livable, like Hazard planets from ME. I'm only going on known ME races here, anything is possible otherwise.

With organics always trying to advance their technology, they might find previous inhospitable places quite useful.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Schneidend wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

1) I find the Salarians to be pretty good at sabotage (i.e. the genophage which pretty much destroyed the krogan). I think they are capable of doing it too.

2) If Sovereign had come alone, he would have been destroyed.

3) That was just a possibility, not an actual fact

Also, we do not know if they wish to expand or not.

The quarians can't keep geth permanently hacked, and they built the geth. Geth simply re-load their programming when they are hacked, and are thus "cured" in seconds.

Sovereign's shields are designed to withstand the commonplace weapons of civilizations built on mass relay technology indefinitely. That's why the reapers let us have the mass relays, so we'll only build technology they can easily defend themselves against. The mass accelerator cannon used to down the Derelict Reaper was likely a surprise attack and an especially powerful weapon that wouldn't fit on a dreadnought .

Yes, we do know they don't want to expand. In fact, they want to do the opposite. They want to be able to upload themselves to one single "Master Hub." If they could all live on a single space station, they would.

For Sovereign, the human fleet took him down, and they rely on mass effect technology. And the since Geth are pretty much sentient (and with that comes individuality), they may not remain that way forever due to diffences in opinion.

[AkiKishi]

With organics always trying to advance their technology, they might find previous inhospitable places quite useful.

If you look at the system map there are plenty of planets that are easier to colonise. If things ever got that crowded then the orgainics would be warring on each other, because they have the "nice" planets rather than the Geth.


On a less violent note that would also make the Geth valuable explorers and traders.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 février 2011 - 08:22 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

With organics always trying to advance their technology, they might find previous inhospitable places quite useful.

If you look at the system map there are plenty of planets that are easier to colonise. If things ever got that crowded then the orgainics would be warring on each other, because they have the "nice" planets rather than the Geth.


On a less violent note that would also make the Geth valuable explorers and traders.

What about after all those planets are colonized? Even before then, people will be looking for technology that will make ANY place hospitable. Since the attack on the Citadel, the Geth are especially not trusted. it would take a very long time for them to be treated differently.

[Durontan]

Honestly I prefer the third option. War between Geth and Quarians would bring only anguish to Quarians and not anything good with/for Geth.



I myself think that if Shepard plays it all how he could and should, he can bring two sides into piece and co-existance on Quarian homeworld. It would benefit both sides, a show of faith from both sides that their fight should end.

Overall, Geth really need to get "in touch" with organic life and Quarians really do need a new homeworld, best solution is piece and co-existance, and in the process it brings as little of casulties a war brings.



I must admit, that if it comes to war, my Shepard would stay as neutral as possible, as I do not believe that war is a good option at all.

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

What about after all those planets are colonized? Even before then, people will be looking for technology that will make ANY place hospitable. Since the attack on the Citadel, the Geth are especially not trusted. it would take a very long time for them to be treated differently.

That's such a far future thing I don't think it's even worth speculating on.
The Geth don't want to mingle they just want to be left alone. There may be some quirky Geth like in any race. But the main goal of the Geth is to all exist together on a single hub. The where does not matter to them.

 

[DPSSOC]

I think siding with the Quarians would hurt more in the long run. Either way you go you risk wiping out a race (Quarian or Geth) so that can't be avoided. However if the Quarians (with the largest fleet in the galaxy) were able to beat the Geth (arguable the most technologically advanced species in the galaxy Collectors aside) do you really think they're going to stop? The Quarians are an insular, spiteful people and once the Geth are gone they're going to turn their attention on the next species with whom they've got an axe to grind and 3 guesses who that'd be.



A Quarian victory over the Geth would only validate the actions of their ancestors and enforce the victim complex the Quarians have been milking for the past 300 years.



The Geth are much less likely to continue aggression after the Quarians are beaten considering that for 300 years they were content to be left alone and it took the arrival of god promising them what they've been striving for to provoke a minority to violence. No other race can claim the track record of peace the Geth have.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

What about after all those planets are colonized? Even before then, people will be looking for technology that will make ANY place hospitable. Since the attack on the Citadel, the Geth are especially not trusted. it would take a very long time for them to be treated differently.

That's such a far future thing I don't think it's even worth speculating on.
The Geth don't want to mingle they just want to be left alone. There may be some quirky Geth like in any race. But the main goal of the Geth is to all exist together on a single hub. The where does not matter to them.

 

You may not think so, but I do. the topic of this thread covers what I'm saying. it's about the "long run" so this is worth speculating about.

[CroGamer002]

Neither, I wish to get allies from both sides.

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

You may not think so, but I do. the topic of this thread covers what I'm saying. it's about the "long run" so this is worth speculating about.

As Mordin would say.. "Too many variables".

[Schneidend]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

For Sovereign, the human fleet took him down, and they rely on mass effect technology. And the since Geth are pretty much sentient (and with that comes individuality), they may not remain that way forever due to diffences in opinion.

The human (and turian, and asari) fleet took Sovereign down because he had some kind of software aneurysm rendering him temporarily "unconscious" and thus lacking a shield.

[AkiKishi]

Mesina2 wrote...

Neither, I wish to get allies from both sides.

The "best" outcome would be this.

Shepard finds some compression software or device while killing Reapers. He trades this device to the Geth so they can all live together in return the Geth disapear off into uncharted space leaving the Quarian homeworld uninhabited.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

DPSSOC wrote...

I think siding with the Quarians would hurt more in the long run. Either way you go you risk wiping out a race (Quarian or Geth) so that can't be avoided. However if the Quarians (with the largest fleet in the galaxy) were able to beat the Geth (arguable the most technologically advanced species in the galaxy Collectors aside) do you really think they're going to stop? The Quarians are an insular, spiteful people and once the Geth are gone they're going to turn their attention on the next species with whom they've got an axe to grind and 3 guesses who that'd be.

A Quarian victory over the Geth would only validate the actions of their ancestors and enforce the victim complex the Quarians have been milking for the past 300 years.

The Geth are much less likely to continue aggression after the Quarians are beaten considering that for 300 years they were content to be left alone and it took the arrival of god promising them what they've been striving for to provoke a minority to violence. No other race can claim the track record of peace the Geth have.

The war with the Geth might not end with the Geth being wiped out. They might just run off into dark space. Also, the quarians have been held back by being confined to ships while the other races have expanded and grown over 300 years. It would be a while for the Quarians to become a threat. And exactly how are the Quarians spiteful and insular? I also don't see them trying to take over the galaxy (no one likes them and it will probably stay that way for a long time).

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Mesina2 wrote...

Neither, I wish to get allies from both sides.

This thread isn't about the neither option (which I favor the most, btw)