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[Ramirez Wolfen]

DarthSliver wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I think it's ME1 Tali said that (I think). The N7 mission is Quarian Crash Site (it's on Gei Hinnom). I agree the missions are boring and have no real value. Also, the Geth (behind the Reapers) are the most advanced sentient race in the galaxy.  That makes them a threat, regardless of their supposed intentions. 

You do know you totally bias against the Geth, there is nothing nobody can say that you wont argue. The point of this thread is pointless now. 

If you find this pointless, then please by all means move on to another topic if you think it's pointless. Attacking the thread or the OP is pointless. I just want to have good conversation (because nobody talks to me IRL)

I like the Geth, too.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 04 février 2011 - 08:47 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...



I think it's ME1 Tali said that (I think). The N7 mission is Quarian Crash Site (it's on Gei Hinnom). I agree the missions are boring and have no real value. Also, the Geth (behind the Reapers) are the most advanced sentient race in the galaxy.  That makes them a threat, regardless of their supposed intentions. 

I don't recall that from ME1. I want a citation before I take that seriously.

Ah I'll have to check that out.

Yes because we all know everything different is frightening and scary even when they have done you no harm.

You realize that attitude is the exact reason the Quarians are in their position now right? 

I forgot to mention. Mass Effect: Ascension.  Read that too. it provides some proof that the Quarians are looking for other worlds as well. (or you could just check the ME Wiki)

[Exile Isan]

The only reason that the Cynaid (from the ship the Idenna) was looking for a viable planet to colonize was because of the events that took place in the book Mass Effect Ascension. Until then the quarians were seesawing about colonizing a new planet and it took Cerberus attacking them to get them to finally make a decision. This was something that happened recently, before that the only planet that the quarians had tried to colonize was Ekuna and that was just after the geth had booted them off their worlds. So in the 300 years between those two events the quarians, as far as we know, have done nothing to settle a planet.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Exile Isan wrote...

The only reason that the Cynaid (from the ship the Idenna) was looking for a viable planet to colonize was because of the events that took place in the book Mass Effect Ascension. Until then the quarians were seesawing about colonizing a new planet and it took Cerberus attacking them to get them to finally make a decision. This was something that happened recently, before that the only planet that the quarians had tried to colonize was Ekuna and that was just after the geth had booted them off their worlds. So in the 300 years between those two events the quarians, as far as we know, have done nothing to settle a planet.

Either way, they are looking for alternatives.

[James2912]

Geth=Robot N A Z I s

Hitler looks like a choir boy compared to the crimes of the Geth. I wonder if the Geth used ovens for the Quarian children or if they just used firing squads.

By the way I'm Jewish and I hate when people try and justify genocide. Were the Geth justified in going to war with the Quarians? Yes! Were they justified in comitting genocide? NO! They could have conquered the Quarians and forced them to leave their homeworld they did not need to kill billions.

Modifié par James2912, 04 février 2011 - 10:13 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

James2912 wrote...

Geth=Robot N A Z I s

Hitler looks like a choir boy compared to the crimes of the Geth. I wonder if the Geth used ovens for the Quarian children or if they just used firing squads.

By the way I'm Jewish and I hate when people try and justify genocide. Were the Geth justified in going to war with the Quarians? Yes! Were they justified in comitting genocide? NO! They could have conquered the Quarians and forced them to leave their homeworld they did not need to kill billions.

True, the mass killing of Quarians wasn't necessary.

[Exile Isan]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Either way, they are looking for alternatives.

Yes, they are, but it only took them 300 years to do it.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
True, the mass killing of Quarians wasn't necessary.

I have a question. Do you feel that the quarians mass killing of the geth was necessary? Because if you are going to judge the geth for what they did to the quaians then you need to judge the quarians for what they did to the geth.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 04 février 2011 - 10:29 .

[General User]

Is anyone looking for a white knight in this tale of racial suicide pacts and reciprocal genocide?



Then fear not! For Shepard is at hand!

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Exile Isan wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Either way, they are looking for alternatives.

Yes, they are, but it only took them 300 years to do it.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
True, the mass killing of Quarians wasn't necessary.

I have a question. Do you feel that the quarians mass killing of the geth was necessary? Because if you are going to judge the geth for what they did to the quaians then you need to judge the quarians for what they did to the geth.

1) There's no proof that they weren't looking for another planet (though it does seem odd).

2) I do feel that what the Quarians tried to do was wrong. When the Geth were clearly winning the war, did they stop and try to have peace? No they kept right on fighting.

[Exile Isan]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
1) There's no proof that they weren't looking for another planet (though it does seem odd).

There is no proof that they were either.

2) I do feel that what the Quarians tried to do was wrong. When the Geth were clearly winning the war, did they stop and try to have peace? No they kept right on fighting.

They may have, but they also didn't pursue the quarians once they had left the homeworld. If the geth had truly wanted to wipe out the quarians to the very last quarian they would have followed them all over the galaxy and not stopped until they had done the job. They fact that they didn't is very telling.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 04 février 2011 - 11:50 .

[Pro_Consul]

James2912 wrote...

Geth=Robot N A Z I s

Hitler looks like a choir boy compared to the crimes of the Geth. I wonder if the Geth used ovens for the Quarian children or if they just used firing squads.

By the way I'm Jewish and I hate when people try and justify genocide. Were the Geth justified in going to war with the Quarians? Yes! Were they justified in comitting genocide? NO! They could have conquered the Quarians and forced them to leave their homeworld they did not need to kill billions.

You have no evidence or lore that states the Geth ever massacred children. That is a bugbear from your own imagination of how it played out. I counter your two questions with a two others:

Did the Geth actually commit genocide? NO!

Do we have any evidence that such was EVER their goal? NO!

As for your saying they could have forced to the Quarians to leave their homeworld....errr....that is exactly what they did. So far as we know they never made the slightest attempt to track, follow or attack the Quarians who fled. Doesn't sound much like an attempt at genocide.

The funny part here is that you claim to be so charged up about genocide and are so quick to label the Geth as genocidal N---s, yet you seem quite willing to portray the Quarians as lily-white innocents even though they are the only ones in this story that we KNOW truly WANTED and TRIED to commit genocide..and many of whom are STILL plotting genocide 300 years later!

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm not able to check, but definitely prove me wrong if I am.

Tsk, tsk. Expecting others to do your homework for you? If cannot support the assertion you made, you oughta just admit that you might be totally mistaken about it, not ask us to accept it as true unless/until we do the homework you won't do and prove it wrong.

Exile Isan wrote...

They may have, but they also didn't pursue the quarians once they had left the homeworld. If the geth had truly wanted to wipe out the quarians to the very last quarian they would have followed them all over the galaxy and not stopped until they had done the job. They fact that they didn't is very telling.

Another telling fact is that they have been cleaning up and preserving the homeworld in anticipation of the return of the creators to live there. Clearly the Geth are hoping that the Quarians will grow up enough to finally embrace peaceful coexistence. And clearly the Quarians currently have no intentions of doing any such thing.

Modifié par Pro_Consul, 05 février 2011 - 12:58 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Exile Isan wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
1) There's no proof that they weren't looking for another planet (though it does seem odd).

There is no proof that they were either.

2) I do feel that what the Quarians tried to do was wrong. When the Geth were clearly winning the war, did they stop and try to have peace? No they kept right on fighting.

They may have, but they also didn't pursue the quarians once they had left the homeworld. If the geth had truly wanted to wipe out the quarians to the very last quarian they would have followed them all over the galaxy and not stopped until they had done the job. They fact that they didn't is very telling.

1) I think we should agree to disagree on this

2) The Geth also kicked the Quarians out of their colonies as well. Also, what about just Geth Space in general? the Geth may have kicked the Quarians out of there as well.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Pro_Consul wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Geth=Robot N A Z I s

Hitler looks like a choir boy compared to the crimes of the Geth. I wonder if the Geth used ovens for the Quarian children or if they just used firing squads.

By the way I'm Jewish and I hate when people try and justify genocide. Were the Geth justified in going to war with the Quarians? Yes! Were they justified in comitting genocide? NO! They could have conquered the Quarians and forced them to leave their homeworld they did not need to kill billions.

You have no evidence or lore that states the Geth ever massacred children. That is a bugbear from your own imagination of how it played out. I counter your two questions with a two others:

Did the Geth actually commit genocide? NO!

Do we have any evidence that such was EVER their goal? NO!

As for your saying they could have forced to the Quarians to leave their homeworld....errr....that is exactly what they did. So far as we know they never made the slightest attempt to track, follow or attack the Quarians who fled. Doesn't sound much like an attempt at genocide.

The funny part here is that you claim to be so charged up about genocide and are so quick to label the Geth as genocidal N---s, yet you seem quite willing to portray the Quarians as lily-white innocents even though they are the only ones in this story that we KNOW truly WANTED and TRIED to commit genocide..and many of whom are STILL plotting genocide 300 years later!

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm not able to check, but definitely prove me wrong if I am.

Tsk, tsk. Expecting others to do your homework for you? If cannot support the assertion you made, you oughta just admit that you might be totally mistaken about it, not ask us to accept it as true unless/until we do the homework you won't do and prove it wrong.

Exile Isan wrote...

They may have, but they also didn't pursue the quarians once they had left the homeworld. If the geth had truly wanted to wipe out the quarians to the very last quarian they would have followed them all over the galaxy and not stopped until they had done the job. They fact that they didn't is very telling.

Another telling fact is that they have been cleaning up and preserving the homeworld in anticipation of the return of the creators to live there. Clearly the Geth are hoping that the Quarians will grow up enough to finally embrace peaceful coexistence. And clearly the Quarians currently have no intentions of doing any such thing.

I did say I might be wrong. And I don't ask others to accept.

[Pro_Consul]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

2) The Geth also kicked the Quarians out of their colonies as well. Also, what about just Geth Space in general? the Geth may have kicked the Quarians out of there as well.

We don't know that. We only know that the colonies were abandoned, not that there was any forcible eviction or battle involved. It is just as likely that in the final rout from the homeworld, the Quarians decided that they could not defend any of the colony settlements and to abandon them instead and go a'roving. Unless you have some info from one of the ME novels, that is, since I haven't read any of them.

[James2912]

Pro_Consul wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Geth=Robot N A Z I s

Hitler looks like a choir boy compared to the crimes of the Geth. I wonder if the Geth used ovens for the Quarian children or if they just used firing squads.

By the way I'm Jewish and I hate when people try and justify genocide. Were the Geth justified in going to war with the Quarians? Yes! Were they justified in comitting genocide? NO! They could have conquered the Quarians and forced them to leave their homeworld they did not need to kill billions.

You have no evidence or lore that states the Geth ever massacred children. That is a bugbear from your own imagination of how it played out. I counter your two questions with a two others:

Did the Geth actually commit genocide? NO!

Do we have any evidence that such was EVER their goal? NO!

As for your saying they could have forced to the Quarians to leave their homeworld....errr....that is exactly what they did. So far as we know they never made the slightest attempt to track, follow or attack the Quarians who fled. Doesn't sound much like an attempt at genocide.

The funny part here is that you claim to be so charged up about genocide and are so quick to label the Geth as genocidal N---s, yet you seem quite willing to portray the Quarians as lily-white innocents even though they are the only ones in this story that we KNOW truly WANTED and TRIED to commit genocide..and many of whom are STILL plotting genocide 300 years later!

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm not able to check, but definitely prove me wrong if I am.

Tsk, tsk. Expecting others to do your homework for you? If cannot support the assertion you made, you oughta just admit that you might be totally mistaken about it, not ask us to accept it as true unless/until we do the homework you won't do and prove it wrong.

Exile Isan wrote...

They may have, but they also didn't pursue the quarians once they had left the homeworld. If the geth had truly wanted to wipe out the quarians to the very last quarian they would have followed them all over the galaxy and not stopped until they had done the job. They fact that they didn't is very telling.

Another telling fact is that they have been cleaning up and preserving the homeworld in anticipation of the return of the creators to live there. Clearly the Geth are hoping that the Quarians will grow up enough to finally embrace peaceful coexistence. And clearly the Quarians currently have no intentions of doing any such thing.

How else did the Quarian homeworld go from a population of 2 billion Quarrians to 17 million after the war? Genocide is never right the Quarians were wrong to try it on the Geth however the Allies didn't turn around and send all the germans to concentration camps because of what they did to the Jews, two wrongs do not make a right. 

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

2) The Geth also kicked the Quarians out of their colonies as well. Also, what about just Geth Space in general? the Geth may have kicked the Quarians out of there as well.

We don't know that. We only know that the colonies were abandoned, not that there was any forcible eviction or battle involved. It is just as likely that in the final rout from the homeworld, the Quarians decided that they could not defend any of the colony settlements and to abandon them instead and go a'roving. Unless you have some info from one of the ME novels, that is, since I haven't read any of them.

I don't think the Quarians would abandon a perfectly good colony just because they thought they couldn't defend it. Wouldn't they just use the colonies to regroup and plan a counter attack?

[General User]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

2) The Geth also kicked the Quarians out of their colonies as well. Also, what about just Geth Space in general? the Geth may have kicked the Quarians out of there as well.

We don't know that. We only know that the colonies were abandoned, not that there was any forcible eviction or battle involved. It is just as likely that in the final rout from the homeworld, the Quarians decided that they could not defend any of the colony settlements and to abandon them instead and go a'roving. Unless you have some info from one of the ME novels, that is, since I haven't read any of them.

No enemy need be present.

Abandoning a colony because you do not believe you have the ability to hold it against an enemy you are at war with qualifies as ‘forcible eviction’.  Especially true when said enemy has a demonstrated penchat for driving you kind from worlds.

Modifié par General User, 05 février 2011 - 02:03 .

[James2912]

I think arguing with pro consul is useless, he/she is a fanatical Geth fanboy. Its impossible to have a logical argument.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

James2912 wrote...

I think arguing with pro consul is useless, he/she is a fanatical Geth fanboy. Its impossible to have a logical argument.

lol I'm pro-Quarian but I am trying to be open-minded....

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Pro_Consul wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Geth=Robot N A Z I s

Hitler looks like a choir boy compared to the crimes of the Geth. I wonder if the Geth used ovens for the Quarian children or if they just used firing squads.

By the way I'm Jewish and I hate when people try and justify genocide. Were the Geth justified in going to war with the Quarians? Yes! Were they justified in comitting genocide? NO! They could have conquered the Quarians and forced them to leave their homeworld they did not need to kill billions.

You have no evidence or lore that states the Geth ever massacred children. That is a bugbear from your own imagination of how it played out. I counter your two questions with a two others:

Did the Geth actually commit genocide? NO!

Do we have any evidence that such was EVER their goal? NO!

As for your saying they could have forced to the Quarians to leave their homeworld....errr....that is exactly what they did. So far as we know they never made the slightest attempt to track, follow or attack the Quarians who fled. Doesn't sound much like an attempt at genocide.

The funny part here is that you claim to be so charged up about genocide and are so quick to label the Geth as genocidal N---s, yet you seem quite willing to portray the Quarians as lily-white innocents even though they are the only ones in this story that we KNOW truly WANTED and TRIED to commit genocide..and many of whom are STILL plotting genocide 300 years later!

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm not able to check, but definitely prove me wrong if I am.

Tsk, tsk. Expecting others to do your homework for you? If cannot support the assertion you made, you oughta just admit that you might be totally mistaken about it, not ask us to accept it as true unless/until we do the homework you won't do and prove it wrong.

Exile Isan wrote...

They may have, but they also didn't pursue the quarians once they had left the homeworld. If the geth had truly wanted to wipe out the quarians to the very last quarian they would have followed them all over the galaxy and not stopped until they had done the job. They fact that they didn't is very telling.

Another telling fact is that they have been cleaning up and preserving the homeworld in anticipation of the return of the creators to live there. Clearly the Geth are hoping that the Quarians will grow up enough to finally embrace peaceful coexistence. And clearly the Quarians currently have no intentions of doing any such thing.

Actually I am right Tali does say that in ME1. Also, Genocide is this (from Merriam-Webster):

Genocide - the systematic and deliberate destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.

Were the Quarians almost eradicated by the Geth? YES

Was there a mass killing of Quarians by Geth? YES

Then the Geth committed genocide.

[James2912]

Where does it say the Geth are cleaning up the Quarian homeworld so they can return? What source is this from?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

James2912 wrote...

Where does it say the Geth are cleaning up the Quarian homeworld so they can return? What source is this from?

It doesn't say that anywhere that I know of (not 100% sure, though).

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 05 février 2011 - 04:52 .

[Legion 2.5]

There should be peace between the two.

[James2912]

See thats why you can't argue with a fanatic they make **** up!

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Legion 2.5 wrote...

There should be peace between the two.

Of course! But what if war was the only option?