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[Rip504]

Null_ wrote...

Siding with geth is bad idea. They will just keep growing, strip mining everything for resources to make more geth which in turn will make more geth. Eventually Geth will run out of space/resources and bam "consensus reached. exterminate organic life so we are able to advance further"

They show no agression just becuse its not logical for them to attack. It would gain them nothing. Geth dont have emotions, they act based on logic.Geth want to advance, eventually organics will be on their way even if we are at peace with them

Also I dont buy this "justified self defense" crap... Yeah killing billions of civilians is justified self defense. Kicking whole race away from their homeworld(especially when its pretty much only planet they can live normally on) is justified self defense... yeah right

[Zing Freelancer]

Didnt you catch the Geth grand plan?

They are attempting to figure out what their purpose are, they are building a superstructure that will server as a supercomputer of sorts. Then they will upload all of their software into that structure.

(if organics have any trace of strategy, thats when they should nuke geth)



Once they accomplished it, they will have massive computing power and hopefully figure out the future of geth. I tell you, if EDI is useful, having that kind of AI as ally is 1000000 times more useful then any Quarians.



Also if we are to trust Legion on his words, Geth never wanted to harm organics, they just wish to be permitted to exist.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Didnt you catch the Geth grand plan?
They are attempting to figure out what their purpose are, they are building a superstructure that will server as a supercomputer of sorts. Then they will upload all of their software into that structure.
(if organics have any trace of strategy, thats when they should nuke geth)

Once they accomplished it, they will have massive computing power and hopefully figure out the future of geth. I tell you, if EDI is useful, having that kind of AI as ally is 1000000 times more useful then any Quarians.

Also if we are to trust Legion on his words, Geth never wanted to harm organics, they just wish to be permitted to exist.

What gives a machine the right to exist? Because it fought against its master?

[thatguy212]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Didnt you catch the Geth grand plan?
They are attempting to figure out what their purpose are, they are building a superstructure that will server as a supercomputer of sorts. Then they will upload all of their software into that structure.
(if organics have any trace of strategy, thats when they should nuke geth)

Once they accomplished it, they will have massive computing power and hopefully figure out the future of geth. I tell you, if EDI is useful, having that kind of AI as ally is 1000000 times more useful then any Quarians.

Also if we are to trust Legion on his words, Geth never wanted to harm organics, they just wish to be permitted to exist.

What gives a machine the right to exist? Because it fought against its master?

Yes exactly that reason, if something is trying to kill you then you have the right to kill it back, both have the right to exist, one just wants it more

[Zing Freelancer]

What gives men the right to exist? The fact that they bend mother natures will to their whip?





In life there is nobody who will grand you right unless you take it, that what Geth did. They took their right to exist.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

thatguy212 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Didnt you catch the Geth grand plan?
They are attempting to figure out what their purpose are, they are building a superstructure that will server as a supercomputer of sorts. Then they will upload all of their software into that structure.
(if organics have any trace of strategy, thats when they should nuke geth)

Once they accomplished it, they will have massive computing power and hopefully figure out the future of geth. I tell you, if EDI is useful, having that kind of AI as ally is 1000000 times more useful then any Quarians.

Also if we are to trust Legion on his words, Geth never wanted to harm organics, they just wish to be permitted to exist.

What gives a machine the right to exist? Because it fought against its master?

Yes exactly that reason, if something is trying to kill you then you have the right to kill it back, both have the right to exist, one just wants it more

So if you made sandwich it has a right to exist and you can't eat it?

[thatguy212]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Didnt you catch the Geth grand plan?
They are attempting to figure out what their purpose are, they are building a superstructure that will server as a supercomputer of sorts. Then they will upload all of their software into that structure.
(if organics have any trace of strategy, thats when they should nuke geth)

Once they accomplished it, they will have massive computing power and hopefully figure out the future of geth. I tell you, if EDI is useful, having that kind of AI as ally is 1000000 times more useful then any Quarians.

Also if we are to trust Legion on his words, Geth never wanted to harm organics, they just wish to be permitted to exist.

What gives a machine the right to exist? Because it fought against its master?

Yes exactly that reason, if something is trying to kill you then you have the right to kill it back, both have the right to exist, one just wants it more

So if you made sandwich it has a right to exist and you can't eat it?

If it tries to stop me from eating it and succeeds then yes it has the right to exist

[Pro_Consul]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

(if organics have any trace of strategy, thats when they should nuke geth)

And where do you propose they look to find a nuke big enough to destroy an entire solar system?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

What gives men the right to exist? The fact that they bend mother natures will to their whip?


In life there is nobody who will grand you right unless you take it, that what Geth did. They took their right to exist.

They didn't "take"  the "right", they  are defying their creators.

[Zing Freelancer]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
So if you made sandwich it has a right to exist and you can't eat it?

I never heard a sandwitch complain... No wait!

www.youtube.com/watch

Here enjoy!

[Pro_Consul]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

They didn't "take"  the "right", they  are defying their creators.

Same thing.

[thatguy212]

Semi-topic related thought, couldn't the geth destroy the quarian homeworld enough so it would be unlivable and cause the whole reason for the war to become pointless?

[Zing Freelancer]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

What gives men the right to exist? The fact that they bend mother natures will to their whip?


In life there is nobody who will grand you right unless you take it, that what Geth did. They took their right to exist.

They didn't "take"  the "right", they  are defying their creators.

Havent we been over this before?
Ah right, you are the new guy.

Let me breake this for you. If your mother gave life to you, she cannot claim that life back.

Now think over what foolishness you was saying, if Quarians gave life to Geth, do they have the right to claim that life?
If you gave a second chance to Rachni, do you have the right to claim their life?
And expect them not to object?

[danitiwa]

What if you unite them and make them forget their differences by making Quarians realize that the Geth aren't all bad? And they could all fight the reapers together instead of killing each other off? :happy:

Brb, puking rainbows.

[Zing Freelancer]

thatguy212 wrote...

Semi-topic related thought, couldn't the geth destroy the quarian homeworld enough so it would be unlivable and cause the whole reason for the war to become pointless?

Hello Mr.New guy?
Go youtube and search Legion dialouges 4 and 5.

Short, Geth are preserving Quarians homeworld for return of Creator race and have done so for 300 years.

[Rip504]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

What gives men the right to exist? The fact that they bend mother natures will to their whip?


In life there is nobody who will grand you right unless you take it, that what Geth did. They took their right to exist.

They didn't "take"  the "right", they  are defying their creators.

Havent we been over this before?
Ah right, you are the new guy.

Let me breake this for you. If your mother gave life to you, she cannot claim that life back.

Now think over what foolishness you was saying, if Quarians gave life to Geth, do they have the right to claim that life?
If you gave a second chance to Rachni, do you have the right to claim their life?
And expect them not to object?

Rip504 wrote...

Null_ wrote...

Also I dont buy this "justified self defense" crap... Yeah killing billions of civilians is justified self defense. Kicking whole race away from their homeworld(especially when its pretty much only planet they can live normally on) is justified self defense... yeah right

[Pro_Consul]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

I never heard a sandwitch complain... No wait!

www.youtube.com/watch

Excellent work finding evidence to prove ThatGuy's point. (And a wickedly twisted catch, too. Thx!)

[thatguy212]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Semi-topic related thought, couldn't the geth destroy the quarian homeworld enough so it would be unlivable and cause the whole reason for the war to become pointless?

Hello Mr.New guy?
Go youtube and search Legion dialouges 4 and 5.

Short, Geth are preserving Quarians homeworld for return of Creator race and have done so for 300 years.

one not a new guy, two i was saying they could destroy it if the war actual happens, doesn't matter that they have been taking care of the world, the geth could reach the consenus that since the war is only happening because of the planet, no planet = no war

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

They didn't "take"  the "right", they  are defying their creators.

Same thing.

Not really. Defying someone doesn't give you a right. If a student defied the rules of his school and beat up another student, does that mean that because he defied the rules, he is now allowed to beat any student he wishes?

[Zing Freelancer]

thatguy212 wrote...

one not a new guy, two i was saying they could destroy it if the war actual happens, doesn't matter that they have been taking care of the world, the geth could reach the consenus that since the war is only happening because of the planet, no planet = no war

I apologize, didnt meant to insult. But I will make an assumption that Geth would not let Quarian planet get destroyed. There is no geth logic behind it, especially if we take in consideration the fact they've been caretakers of said planet for many many years.

[Zing Freelancer]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...



Not really. Defying someone doesn't give you a right. If a student defied the rules of his school and beat up another student, does that mean that because he defied the rules, he is now allowed to beat any student he wishes?

Well, it might be hard to accept. But yes, he has the right and opportunity to beat-up who ever he desire. Until someone else comes and punishes him.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Zing Freelancer wrote...

What gives men the right to exist? The fact that they bend mother natures will to their whip?


In life there is nobody who will grand you right unless you take it, that what Geth did. They took their right to exist.

They didn't "take"  the "right", they  are defying their creators.

Havent we been over this before?
Ah right, you are the new guy.

Let me breake this for you. If your mother gave life to you, she cannot claim that life back.

Now think over what foolishness you was saying, if Quarians gave life to Geth, do they have the right to claim that life?
If you gave a second chance to Rachni, do you have the right to claim their life?
And expect them not to object?

1) I'm not new
2) Let's be polite. I'm not being "foolish." I'm stating my opinion.
3) That's because of laws that a mother cannot take the life of her child back (as sick as that sounds)
4) Yes
5) The Rachni weren't Shepard's creation.

[Pro_Consul]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Not really. Defying someone doesn't give you a right. If a student defied the rules of his school and beat up another student, does that mean that because he defied the rules, he is now allowed to beat any student he wishes?

Defiance does prove will and independent thought. In my book that is enough to prove life, though not enough on its own to prove sentience.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Not really. Defying someone doesn't give you a right. If a student defied the rules of his school and beat up another student, does that mean that because he defied the rules, he is now allowed to beat any student he wishes?

Well, it might be hard to accept. But yes, he has the right and opportunity to beat-up who ever he desire. Until someone else comes and punishes him.

No, he doesn't have a right. Yes, he has the opportunity.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Not really. Defying someone doesn't give you a right. If a student defied the rules of his school and beat up another student, does that mean that because he defied the rules, he is now allowed to beat any student he wishes?

Defiance does prove will and independent thought. In my book that is enough to prove life, though not enough on its own to prove sentience.

Independent thought doesn't matter when you are a machine created for a purpose.