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[Jedi Master of Orion]

DPSSOC wrote...

I think siding with the Quarians would hurt more in the long run. Either way you go you risk wiping out a race (Quarian or Geth) so that can't be avoided. However if the Quarians (with the largest fleet in the galaxy) were able to beat the Geth (arguable the most technologically advanced species in the galaxy Collectors aside) do you really think they're going to stop? The Quarians are an insular, spiteful people and once the Geth are gone they're going to turn their attention on the next species with whom they've got an axe to grind and 3 guesses who that'd be.

A Quarian victory over the Geth would only validate the actions of their ancestors and enforce the victim complex the Quarians have been milking for the past 300 years.

The Geth are much less likely to continue aggression after the Quarians are beaten considering that for 300 years they were content to be left alone and it took the arrival of god promising them what they've been striving for to provoke a minority to violence. No other race can claim the track record of peace the Geth have.

The Quarians' hatred is reserved specifically for the geth. You actually think they're going to randomly start attacking the other races in the galaxy?

The Geth may have not have a specific desire to attack organics in the present day, but exterminating the Quarians in the Morning War puts them near the very bottom in the track record of peace.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Schneidend wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

For Sovereign, the human fleet took him down, and they rely on mass effect technology. And the since Geth are pretty much sentient (and with that comes individuality), they may not remain that way forever due to diffences in opinion.

The human (and turian, and asari) fleet took Sovereign down because he had some kind of software aneurysm rendering him temporarily "unconscious" and thus lacking a shield.

If I remember, he was still firing and destroying ships while he was attached to the Citadel Tower.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

You may not think so, but I do. the topic of this thread covers what I'm saying. it's about the "long run" so this is worth speculating about.

As Mordin would say.. "Too many variables".

Well, I am a "consider everything" kind of person.

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Well, I am a "consider everything" kind of person.

Then you have no way to answer your question.

" big purple alien shows up and eats the galaxy" - The end.

Thats as likely outcome as any other so far in the future there is nothing to base a conclusion on outcome

we can speculate on what might happen in the near future based on what we know of the ME universe but stray too far from that and it's pretty much fantasy.

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Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 février 2011 - 08:57 .

[Moiaussi]

As with all wars, it depends on how any why it becomes 'hot.' Based on what we know via Legion and the codex, the Geth should have no trouble defeating the Quarians in space without the Quarians getting close enough to hack anything. The only chance the Quarians would have would be some sort of 'sleezy trick.'



If the Geth were the agressors, and going something similar to the 'destroy all organics' (likely as a percieved self defence, given Geth are currently considered illegal chattel by the Council (at least officially), then they would have to be dealt with regardless of Quarian involvement.



However if the Quarians are the agressors and are insistant on attacking the Geth, I can see an arguement for trying to mediate, but not so much for intervention on either side militarily.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Well, I am a "consider everything" kind of person.

Then you have no way to answer your question.

" big purple alien shows up and eats the galaxy" - The end.

Thats as likely outcome as any other so far in the future there is nothing to base a conclusion on outcome

we can speculate on what might happen in the near future based on what we know of the ME universe but stray too far from that and it's pretty much fantasy.

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We can discuss as well. That's what these forums are for, right?

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 03 février 2011 - 08:58 .

[DPSSOC]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
The war with the Geth might not end with the Geth being wiped out. They might just run off into dark space.

 
If you believe that you don't understand hate.  The Quarians have been nursing a grudge for 300 years, stewing in impotent rage at the perceived injustice done to them.  They will not stop until every last Geth is wiped out, they will devote all their resources to tracking them down if need be.  Hate is without reason or boundary; there is nowhere the Geth can run, nowhere they can hide that the Quarians won't follow.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Also, the quarians have been held back by being confined to ships while the other races have expanded and grown over 300 years. It would be a while for the Quarians to become a threat.

If the Quarians, in their current state, can beat the Geth I give them good odds against the other fleets.  Even if they're battered and broken they'll just repair and, encouraged by their victory over the Geth, continue to go after every other race that has ever done them wrong (in their eyes).

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
 And exactly how are the Quarians spiteful and insular?

 
In ME1 you can ask Tali if she could use her father's position to enlist Quarian aid, and she mentions that the Fleet is incredibly insular.  Unless it affects them they won't get involved.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I also don't see them trying to take over the galaxy (no one likes them and it will probably stay that way for a long time).

And it wouldn't be about conquest it would be about revenge, or retribution as they'd see it.

Edit to add:

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
The Quarians' hatred is reserved specifically for the geth. You actually think they're going to randomly start attacking the other races in the galaxy?

Yeah, cause the Geth hold the bulk of their attention but with them gone, the Quarians will take the culture of hate they've built up on their little ships, combined with the euphoria of having beaten their greatest enemy, and find new targets to focus on.  The Council races would likely be the first hit but who knows what the Quarians will percieve as an injustice.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
The Geth may have not have a specific desire to attack organics in the present day, but exterminating the Quarians in the Morning War puts them near the very bottom in the track record of peace.

Can you name any race that has only gone to war twice in their entire time on the galactic stage?  Their entire existence?  Yes the Morning war was brutal but so were the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions.  Not to mention the Turian civil war (can't remember what it was called).

Modifié par DPSSOC, 03 février 2011 - 09:32 .

[Schneidend]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If I remember, he was still firing and destroying ships while he was attached to the Citadel Tower.

He was, and while he was doing that, nothing was getting through his shield. The only time Sovereign takes damage is AFTER you defeat Saren for the last time. Sovereign "loses consciousness" and falls, and its shields deactivate.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

DPSSOC wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
The war with the Geth might not end with the Geth being wiped out. They might just run off into dark space.

 
If you believe that you don't understand hate.  The Quarians have been nursing a grudge for 300 years, stewing in impotent rage at the perceived injustice done to them.  They will not stop until every last Geth is wiped out, they will devote all their resources to tracking them down if need be.  Hate is without reason or boundary; there is nowhere the Geth can run, nowhere they can hide that the Quarians won't follow.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Also, the quarians have been held back by being confined to ships while the other races have expanded and grown over 300 years. It would be a while for the Quarians to become a threat.

If the Quarians, in their current state, can beat the Geth I give them good odds against the other fleets.  Even if they're battered and broken they'll just repair and, encouraged by their victory over the Geth, continue to go after every other race that has ever done them wrong (in their eyes).

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
 And exactly how are the Quarians spiteful and insular?

 
In ME1 you can ask Tali if she could use her father's position to enlist Quarian aid, and she mentions that the Fleet is incredibly insular.  Unless it affects them they won't get involved.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I also don't see them trying to take over the galaxy (no one likes them and it will probably stay that way for a long time).

And it wouldn't be about conquest it would be about revenge, or retribution as they'd see it.

Edit to add:

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
The Quarians' hatred is reserved specifically for the geth. You actually think they're going to randomly start attacking the other races in the galaxy?

Yeah, cause the Geth hold the bulk of their attention but with them gone, the Quarians will take the culture of hate they've built up on their little ships, combined with the euphoria of having beaten their greatest enemy, and find new targets to focus on.  The Council races would likely be the first hit but who knows what the Quarians will percieve as an injustice.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
The Geth may have not have a specific desire to attack organics in the present day, but exterminating the Quarians in the Morning War puts them near the very bottom in the track record of peace.

Can you name any race that has only gone to war twice in their entire time on the galactic stage?  Their entire existence?  Yes the Morning war was brutal but so were the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions.  Not to mention the Turian civil war (can't remember what it was called).

I understand hate. I consider all possibilites, and that is just one of them. Don't say that I don't understand. Also, the Geth can make decisions in nanoseconds. Who's to say that they don't run away?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Schneidend wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If I remember, he was still firing and destroying ships while he was attached to the Citadel Tower.

He was, and while he was doing that, nothing was getting through his shield. The only time Sovereign takes damage is AFTER you defeat Saren for the last time. Sovereign "loses consciousness" and falls, and its shields deactivate.

Either way, they were able to destroy him. The shields shoudn't be the only thing protecting him.

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Either way, they were able to destroy him. The shields shoudn't be the only thing protecting him.

Shepard does not last long either once his shields drop. If we scale up the weapons it's fairly believable.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Either way, they were able to destroy him. The shields shoudn't be the only thing protecting him.

Shepard does not last long either once his shields drop. If we scale up the weapons it's fairly believable.

The Reapers have been round for millions of years and they have made themselves resistant to the mass effect technology. Shouldn't they have more than just shields?

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 03 février 2011 - 09:48 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

mangeo wrote...

GENEIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!
Although the quarians are cowards & the geth are robots with unmatched fighting skills who
cant feel pain,so i would pick the Geth every time!

lol

[Ramirez Wolfen]

mangeo wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Either way, they were able to destroy him. The shields shoudn't be the only thing protecting him.

Shepard does not last long either once his shields drop. If we scale up the weapons it's fairly believable.

The Reapers have been round for millions of years and they have made themselves resistant to the mass effect technology. Shouldn't they have more than just shields?

YEA LIKE FORCE FIELDS!!!

lol

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 03 février 2011 - 09:48 .

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The Reapers have been round for millions of years and they have made themselves resistant to the mass effect technology. Shouldn't they have more than just shields?

The Reapers left the technology behind so that new races would follow the same path and make weapons that were innefective against them.

You have to understand that Reaper tactics are not about having a standup fight with the "reaped" races fleet. They disable the Mass Effect gates and take them out system by system with overwhelming force.

Take them outside of that comfort zone and they are quite beatable.

[Gabey5]

Geth, they can live on uninhabitable planets

Stay out of the way

If **** every hits the fan the galaxy can have a common enemy

the Quarians deserve their fate

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The Reapers have been round for millions of years and they have made themselves resistant to the mass effect technology. Shouldn't they have more than just shields?

The Reapers left the technology behind so that new races would follow the same path and make weapons that were innefective against them.

You have to understand that Reaper tactics are not about having a standup fight with the "reaped" races fleet. They disable the Mass Effect gates and take them out system by system with overwhelming force.

Take them outside of that comfort zone and they are quite beatable.

That has yet to be seen. We will have to wait until ME3.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Gabey5 wrote...

Geth, they can live on uninhabitable planets
Stay out of the way
If **** every hits the fan the galaxy can have a common enemy
the Quarians deserve their fate

So the Quarians deserve to never live on their homeworld, the one where they first started, hold dear the most, etc.?

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

That has yet to be seen. We will have to wait until ME3.

Are you in any doubt that the "player" will win in the end? 

No idea how they will be beaten but i'm 100% certain that they will lose.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 février 2011 - 09:59 .

[DPSSOC]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I understand hate. I consider all possibilites, and that is just one of them. Don't say that I don't understand. Also, the Geth can make decisions in nanoseconds. Who's to say that they don't run away?

I'm not saying the Geth won't run, I'm saying the Quarians will follow.  In part because they'll expect the Geth to harbour the same resentment for them that they held and don't intend to make the same mistake, but also because the whole lot of them are stark raving mad.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

That has yet to be seen. We will have to wait until ME3.

Are you in any doubt that the "player" will win in the end? 

No idea how they will be beaten but i'm 100% certain that they will lose.

I'm saying that they might not be beaten so easily.