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[Ramirez Wolfen]

DPSSOC wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I understand hate. I consider all possibilites, and that is just one of them. Don't say that I don't understand. Also, the Geth can make decisions in nanoseconds. Who's to say that they don't run away?

I'm not saying the Geth won't run, I'm saying the Quarians will follow.  In part because they'll expect the Geth to harbour the same resentment for them that they held and don't intend to make the same mistake, but also because the whole lot of them are stark raving mad.

The Quarians may follow, but they don't have the tech to travel through dark space. On top of that, the Quarians may start rebuilding first before they give chase. The Geth might be able to ditch them there.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

mangeo wrote...

Hey watch what you say every one!!!
I have known Ramirez for a while now & i think he may actualy BE a Quarian.....

LOL

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm saying that they might not be beaten so easily.

Well maybe no on insanity...

Events in ME/2 have proven that when Reapers deviate from the "plan" they tend to die.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm saying that they might not be beaten so easily.

Well maybe no on insanity...

Events in ME/2 have proven that when Reapers deviate from the "plan" they tend to die.

I'm saying that it's going to be a tough fight. You did see all those Reaper ships at the end of ME2, right? Who knows what other weapons they might be having.

[Collider]

Be "better" in the long run? That depends.

It's tough to see the geth integrate into galactic society. If you consider whether the race in question can coexist peacefully with the council races important, it's unlikely that the geth would fit the bill.

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm saying that it's going to be a tough fight. You did see all those Reaper ships at the end of ME2, right? Who knows what other weapons they might be having.

Now you know that Reapers are actually ships the tactics change. The only challenge to beating the Reapers is getting inside the ME field before being blown up first.

Knowing that staying at range and bombarding is dumb. You need a tactic similiar to Drake when he fought the Armada. Get in close, get them firing across each other , load up small ships with VERY large explosives and ram.

What you learn from the derilict makes them very unscary. It's going to be a bloody fight obviously but they are going to be the ones getting reaped this time.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 février 2011 - 10:11 .

[AkiKishi]

Like a suicide run?..........Sounds good to me man...LETS DO THIS!!!

Fireships where unmanned but you could always throw Volus at them and watch them go boom. Why does that remind me of Prinny's dood.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm saying that it's going to be a tough fight. You did see all those Reaper ships at the end of ME2, right? Who knows what other weapons they might be having.

Now you know that Reapers are actually ships the tactics change. The only challenge to beating the Reapers is getting inside the ME field before being blown up first.

Knowing that staying at range and bombarding is dumb. You need a tactic similiar to Drake when he fought the Armada. Get in close, get them firing across each other , load up small ships with VERY large explosives and ram.

What you learn from the derilict makes them very unscary. It's going to be a bloody fight obviously but they are going to be the ones getting reaped this time.

That only works if you can get close to them. Also, wouldn't they have indoctinated/husks/security on the inside of their ships? Also, wouldn't the Reapers  know not to fire at each other? They aren't stupid.

[DPSSOC]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
The Quarians may follow, but they don't have the tech to travel through dark space.

 
Sure they do, FTL drives.  The Normandy didn't have any problems getting to the Geth base why would the Quarians.  The only difference between Geth and Quarian ships is that the Quarians would need supply lines for food and water as well as fuel while the Geth just need fuel.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
On top of that, the Quarians may start rebuilding first before they give chase. The Geth might be able to ditch them there.

If the Quarians stop to rebuild maybe, but the Geth would still need to get resources from somewhere and once the Quarians spot one the hunt's back on.

[AkiKishi]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

That only works if you can get close to them. Also, wouldn't they have indoctinated/husks/security on the inside of their ships? Also, wouldn't the Reapers  know not to fire at each other? They aren't stupid.

Yes but husks etc are quite killable.

That's kind of the point of putting your ships there. They either risk firing on each other, or they don't don't fire at all
 It's win/win, for your side anyway.

@Mangeo A Prinny is a sort of exploding soul in a penguin suit from Nippon Ichi games. Volus remind me of them.

The Shepard Alliance has 2 things on it's side.

Numbers- from what we see a Reaper is "born" every 50k years or so.
Psychology- If there is one thing that terrifies "immortals" it's death.

The Reapers will more than likely do a devistating first strike unless there is someway to track them. But afterwards it's all downhill for them strategically and tactically.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 février 2011 - 11:20 .

[SajPl]

I think that there will be no need for a war between the Geth and the Quarians, if propre diplomacy is used the geth will let them go back to their Homeworld and the quarians won't try to reprogram the Geth in any way.

[Vaenier]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siding with Quarians Benefits:
-Quarians have a world to rebuild their race
-Quarians can work on their reputation in the galaxy (by getting paid the same as other workers, not cheaper labor)
-War with the Geth would over
-Largest fleet in the galaxy can make a good force for the fight against the Reapers even if some of the ships aren't in the best condition

The only thing stopping the Quarians from doing these things is the Quarians. They refuse to move on, and thus their civilization has crumbled over the last 300 years. They have destroyed their bodies from their self imposed confinement. They cause everyone to distrust them with their isolationist society. They make every one hate them with their dumping criminals on planets and strip mining inhabited systems they pass through. Everything is their own damn fault, even the continued "War" against the Geth. After 300 years, Quarains are still looking for a way to commit genocide on the Geth while the Geth have moved on to building their own world.

I will not side with genocide. I will side with whoever wants peace and is defending themselves.

[azerSheppard]

What about solving the war situation and thereby saving both? Or better yet, kill em both, Quarians for being genetically inferior, and the Geth to sell their heads as trophies.

[Spideywebs]

The Geth I believe will eventually evolve into reaper like beings. The reapers probably started with similar beginnings and became what they are after thousands if not millions of years. I wouldn't trust the Geth, there is no way to guarantee that they wont attack if they see the various organic races as a threat. They aren't guided by morals, they are guided by logic.

Modifié par Spideywebs, 03 février 2011 - 12:23 .

[Vegglimer]

Personally, I'm not sure who I would side with.



I don't like the quarians much, seeing as they created sentient life, then tried to destroy it, THEN failing miserably at it. And then I have to endure Tali's whining about how they have been thrown off their own planet, yadayada...



BUT, I'm not sure how much the galaxy would benefit from having uncontrollable geth growth either...



I think I'd just stay out of it, observe the struggle, most likely trying to create some kind of compromise between them. After all, it should be doable.

[shatteredstar56]

mangeo wrote...

Spideywebs wrote...

The Geth I believe will eventually evolve into reaper like beings. The reapers probably started with similar beginnings and became what they are after thousands if not millions of years. I wouldn't trust the Geth, there is no way to guarantee that they wont attack if they see the various organic races as a threat. They aren't guided by morals, they are guided by logic.

Hey man this is nothing personal & i never understood peoples need to bash anothers comment but.....
This is something i completely disagree with in every single way you could possibly imagine!!!
I mean realy???!!!
Have you even played the games man???!!! If so you obviously hadnt payed attention to the story at all!!!
WOW!!!This is what i mean about people not playing ME1 before ME2 !

I didn't play ME1 first and I still got it.

In the long run, I think either the Quarians will be driven to extinction by the Geth, or they will find a new homeplanet. I don't think the Quarians have the manpower and technology to be able to win out against the geth,  (at  least without Shepard.) If there were sides to be taken in a war, I think people would side with the Quarians, simply because with the exception of Legion, there has been no intelligent communication to the geth.  Geth are also artificial beings, and there haven't been any of those accepted yet into galactic society.

[Spideywebs]

You are asking me if I "payed" attention? :| Just because you disagreed with my ideas doesn't mean you have to blast it. Considering the source though, it doesn't bother me so much. I don't know if you were paying attention, but the reapers are a race of machines, much like the Geth. Though the Geth are millions of years behind in evolution, the reapers could have had very similar beginnings. Legion told my Shepard that they did not want to join the "old machines" because they wanted to reach their societal objective by themselves, without the reapers' aid. That doesn't mean that the Geth won't eventually share some similarities with the reapers after millions of years of evolution (if they live that long, and if up to me they wouldn't). Eventually they will need more resources as they grow and become more complex, and I doubt they would compromise with organics to obtain these.

mangeo wrote...

shatteredstar56 wrote...

mangeo wrote...

Spideywebs wrote...

The Geth I believe will eventually evolve into reaper like beings. The reapers probably started with similar beginnings and became what they are after thousands if not millions of years. I wouldn't trust the Geth, there is no way to guarantee that they wont attack if they see the various organic races as a threat. They aren't guided by morals, they are guided by logic.

Hey man this is nothing personal & i never understood peoples need to bash anothers comment but.....
This is something i completely disagree with in every single way you could possibly imagine!!!
I mean realy???!!!
Have you even played the games man???!!! If so you obviously hadnt payed attention to the story at all!!!
WOW!!!This is what i mean about people not playing ME1 before ME2 !

I didn't play ME1 first and I still got it.

In the long run, I think either the Quarians will be driven to extinction by the Geth, or they will find a new homeplanet. I don't think the Quarians have the manpower and technology to be able to win out against the geth,  (at  least without Shepard.) If there were sides to be taken in a war, I think people would side with the Quarians, simply because with the exception of Legion, there has been no intelligent communication to the geth.  Geth are also artificial beings, and there haven't been any of those accepted yet into galactic society.

I was critcizing how he said the Geth would turn into the Reapers....

Modifié par Spideywebs, 03 février 2011 - 04:21 .

[Schneidend]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Either way, they were able to destroy him. The shields shoudn't be the only thing protecting him.

He probably has ablative armor plating, but that can only do so much when you're being hit with a torpedo or a mass accelerator slug that hits with the power of a small nuclear device.

The best defensive measure in ship-to-ship is a kinetic barrier. Main guns and torpedoes simply do too much damage for a solid object to absorb.