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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

@the OP: No they're going to lose.

If the Quarians don't learn to leave the Geth alone the Geth will exterminate them. No ifs about it. And I can't feel sorry for the Quarians because tmany of them still refuse to admit how they played a part in their own downfall.

Um, the topic isn't about who's going to win. We will have to wait until ME3 for that.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

All this discussion. Keep it up!

[raynbow]

i don't think so. i mean the geth outnumber the quarians and like reegar and shep said...they would most likely die from infection on the field. if they possibly built some super weapon maybe, but there wouldn't be much i could help with and there would be no one left to side with if that makes sense. like if i sided with them; it wouldn't matter because they'd die

[Ramirez Wolfen]

raynbow wrote...

i don't think so. i mean the geth outnumber the quarians and like reegar and shep said...they would most likely die from infection on the field. if they possibly built some super weapon maybe, but there wouldn't be much i could help with and there would be no one left to side with if that makes sense. like if i sided with them; it wouldn't matter because they'd die

I think that siding with the Geth is worse than siding with the Quarians only because that could be something that might come back to bite you after the fight against the Reapers.

[282xvl]

I would side with the Quarians because I would eventually exterminate the Geth threat with or without their help. I have no place for dangerous toasters with dreadnoughts in my galaxy. I refuse to look at which side to join on the basis of which side is "morally" superior. Evolution knows no morality and simply put the Geth are a deadly evolutionary adversary for the human race (and by extension all organic life.)



Organized military might luckily gives the Citadel (and, in this instance, even "rogue"/non-citadel species) the opportunity to game the evolutionary system IF we use it before the Geth outstrip us in population, tech and industrial capacity (which they almost certainly will do eventually due to their being, lets admit it, an outright superior life form.)

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Um, the topic isn't about who's going to win. We will have to wait until ME3 for that.

Uh...I'd side with the geth because the Quarians if they ever went to war with the Geth would lose. The only difference me siding with them would do would cause me to lose too. The Quarians are obsessed with getting their home planet to house their noncombatants. If they were my allies they'd want help with that before they'd help me.

Then they'd get their asses kicked.

So...no my post was on topic.

As for the Geth randomly deciding to destroy humanity: I think I'm pretty safe considering they were already offered everything the Reapers wanted to offer them but still said no.

As for the Heretics. Well they go BOOM.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2011 - 06:51 .

[raynbow]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

raynbow wrote...

i don't think so. i mean the geth outnumber the quarians and like reegar and shep said...they would most likely die from infection on the field. if they possibly built some super weapon maybe, but there wouldn't be much i could help with and there would be no one left to side with if that makes sense. like if i sided with them; it wouldn't matter because they'd die

I think that siding with the Geth is worse than siding with the Quarians only because that could be something that might come back to bite you after the fight against the Reapers.

i guess i wouldn't really take a side.  i'd use my high paragon score to talk them out of it, but hmmm something to consider...what about all the rewritten heretics

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Um, the topic isn't about who's going to win. We will have to wait until ME3 for that.

Uh...I'd side with the geth because the Quarians if they ever went to war with the Geth would lose. The only difference me siding with them would do would cause me to lose too. The Quarians are obsessed with getting their home planet to house their noncombatants. If they were my allies they'd want help with that before they'd help me.

Then they'd get their asses kicked.

So...no my post was on topic.

But this topic is about whether siding with the Quarians is a good choice in the long run (after the fight with the Reapers). You said that the Quarians would just lose in a war. There is no garuantee that they will lose. They have the largest fleet in the galaxy. And not to start an argument, but it wasn't 100% on topic.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

raynbow wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

raynbow wrote...

i don't think so. i mean the geth outnumber the quarians and like reegar and shep said...they would most likely die from infection on the field. if they possibly built some super weapon maybe, but there wouldn't be much i could help with and there would be no one left to side with if that makes sense. like if i sided with them; it wouldn't matter because they'd die

I think that siding with the Geth is worse than siding with the Quarians only because that could be something that might come back to bite you after the fight against the Reapers.

i guess i wouldn't really take a side.  i'd use my high paragon score to talk them out of it, but hmmm something to consider...what about all the rewritten heretics

Of course, that's what I think almost everyone chooses (I think it's the smartest option), but I'm really talking about a situation if there wasn't a peace option and you had to pick a side.

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

But this topic is about whether siding with the Quarians is a good choice in the long run (after the fight with the Reapers). You said that the Quarians would just lose in a war. There is no garuantee that they will lose. They have the largest fleet in the galaxy. And not to start an argument, but it wasn't 100% on topic.

The Quarians have extremely weak immune systems and were losing so badly to the Geth that they had to constantly flee.This is *before* the Geth had time to develop better weapons and shields.  They weren't even fighting the majority of Geth. All of those ships are old, their weaponry is old and their bodies are weak. They can't afford a large scale war because they don't have the resources in either weaponry or Quarian bodies. Meanwhile the Geth can constantly rebuild new Geth as necessary without waiting years.

There may not be a guarantee but the chances of them winning are extremely slim.

Regardless my point stands long run and short run the Geth are the more valuable allies. The Quarians are little more than a drain on resources compared to the Geth.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2011 - 06:56 .

[raynbow]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

raynbow wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

raynbow wrote...

i don't think so. i mean the geth outnumber the quarians and like reegar and shep said...they would most likely die from infection on the field. if they possibly built some super weapon maybe, but there wouldn't be much i could help with and there would be no one left to side with if that makes sense. like if i sided with them; it wouldn't matter because they'd die

I think that siding with the Geth is worse than siding with the Quarians only because that could be something that might come back to bite you after the fight against the Reapers.

i guess i wouldn't really take a side.  i'd use my high paragon score to talk them out of it, but hmmm something to consider...what about all the rewritten heretics

Of course, that's what I think almost everyone chooses (I think it's the smartest option), but I'm really talking about a situation if there wasn't a peace option and you had to pick a side.

hmmm is this war before or after the reaper attack?
because a) quarians have an awesome knowledge of technology and could possibly help in defeating the reapers, but
the geth have numbers and can repair quickly (being good allies if possible), but they might succumb to nazara (sovereign)

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

But this topic is about whether siding with the Quarians is a good choice in the long run (after the fight with the Reapers). You said that the Quarians would just lose in a war. There is no garuantee that they will lose. They have the largest fleet in the galaxy. And not to start an argument, but it wasn't 100% on topic.

The Quarians have extremely weak immune systems and were losing so badly to the Geth that they had to constantly flee.This is *before* the Geth had time to develop better weapons and shields.  They weren't even fighting the majority of Geth. All of those ships are old, their weaponry is old and their bodies are weak. They can't afford a large scale war because they don't have the resources in either weaponry or Quarian bodies. Meanwhile the Geth can constantly rebuild new Geth as necessary without waiting years.

There may not be a guarantee but the chances of them winning are extremely slim.

Regardless my point stands long run and short run the Geth are the more valuable allies. The Quarians are little more than a drain on resources compared to the Geth.

Your point seems to be more or less based on the short run. Will the Geth make better soldiers for the fight against ME3? I think so. But I'm talking about after all this. Will the Geth remain peaceful? I have a bad feeling they might not. Especially if youdecided to rewrite the heretics. Also, the Geth are a much bigger threat than the Quarians. I think it would be better to get rid of a larger threat than make it stronger.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

raynbow wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

raynbow wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

raynbow wrote...

i don't think so. i mean the geth outnumber the quarians and like reegar and shep said...they would most likely die from infection on the field. if they possibly built some super weapon maybe, but there wouldn't be much i could help with and there would be no one left to side with if that makes sense. like if i sided with them; it wouldn't matter because they'd die

I think that siding with the Geth is worse than siding with the Quarians only because that could be something that might come back to bite you after the fight against the Reapers.

i guess i wouldn't really take a side.  i'd use my high paragon score to talk them out of it, but hmmm something to consider...what about all the rewritten heretics

Of course, that's what I think almost everyone chooses (I think it's the smartest option), but I'm really talking about a situation if there wasn't a peace option and you had to pick a side.

hmmm is this war before or after the reaper attack?
because a) quarians have an awesome knowledge of technology and could possibly help in defeating the reapers, but
the geth have numbers and can repair quickly (being good allies if possible), but they might succumb to nazara (sovereign)

I'm thinking before the Reaper fight.

A) I agree

I agree

[raynbow]

**** i'm switerland on this

it's basically a lose/lose imo

[White_Buffalo94]

The geth aren't actual beings with what organics have. Morals, happiness, love, culture. None would exist if the Geth were to win a war with the Quarians. The Geth have the largest synthetic army in the galaxy and are superior to organics technically, but they are void of life and any characteristics of sentient life. They are really just computers IMO. On the other hand, Quarians have the largest fleet in the known galaxy and are expert mechanics.



I think the Quarians lack the numbers to defeat the Geth alone, but in ME3, hopefully you get to choose between which one you want to help. Personally, I'd help the Quarians because I believe them to be in the right. The Geth were created to serve, not to dominate, and while the miscalculations are the Quarians' fault, they have suffered for that mistake long enough.



In all, the Quarians could perhaps decimate a massive amount of Geth by simply fighting from orbit. Plus with Cerberus' help and Rael'Zorahs research, the Geth could be easily controlled.



I want the Quarians to win honestly, but maybe it has something to do with Tali and wanting to help her out.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

raynbow wrote...

**** i'm switerland on this
it's basically a lose/lose imo

It is a lose/lose situation. I'm thinking that siding with the Quarians may be the lesser of two evils.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

The geth aren't actual beings with what organics have. Morals, happiness, love, culture. None would exist if the Geth were to win a war with the Quarians. The Geth have the largest synthetic army in the galaxy and are superior to organics technically, but they are void of life and any characteristics of sentient life. They are really just computers IMO. On the other hand, Quarians have the largest fleet in the known galaxy and are expert mechanics.

I think the Quarians lack the numbers to defeat the Geth alone, but in ME3, hopefully you get to choose between which one you want to help. Personally, I'd help the Quarians because I believe them to be in the right. The Geth were created to serve, not to dominate, and while the miscalculations are the Quarians' fault, they have suffered for that mistake long enough.

In all, the Quarians could perhaps decimate a massive amount of Geth by simply fighting from orbit. Plus with Cerberus' help and Rael'Zorahs research, the Geth could be easily controlled.

I want the Quarians to win honestly, but maybe it has something to do with Tali and wanting to help her out.

I have to admit, wanting to help Tali out does have an effect on this.

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Your point seems to be more or less based on the short run. Will the Geth make better soldiers for the fight against ME3? I think so. But I'm talking about after all this. Will the Geth remain peaceful? I have a bad feeling they might not. Especially if youdecided to rewrite the heretics. Also, the Geth are a much bigger threat than the Quarians. I think it would be better to get rid of a larger threat than make it stronger.

Short run and long run is what my decision is based off of.

I'm willing to bet yours is based off helping Tali.

Why wouldn't the Geth remain peaceful? They have shown (the TG anyways) no hostility even when provided with ample opportunity.

And I never rewrite the heretics. Paragon or not. Brainwashing to me is disgusting.

And the TG are as much as a threat as one could percieve the Krogan as being. Doesn't mean we should just eliminate them because they might attack. That's what got the Quarians where they are in the first place.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Your point seems to be more or less based on the short run. Will the Geth make better soldiers for the fight against ME3? I think so. But I'm talking about after all this. Will the Geth remain peaceful? I have a bad feeling they might not. Especially if youdecided to rewrite the heretics. Also, the Geth are a much bigger threat than the Quarians. I think it would be better to get rid of a larger threat than make it stronger.

Short run and long run is what my decision is based off of.

I'm willing to bet yours is based off helping Tali.

Why wouldn't the Geth remain peaceful? They have shown (the TG anyways) no hostility even when provided with ample opportunity.

And I never rewrite the heretics. Paragon or not. Brainwashing to me is disgusting.

And the TG are as much as a threat as one could percieve the Krogan as being. Doesn't mean we should just eliminate them because they might attack. That's what got the Quarians where they are in the first place.

My view on this isn't based off of just wanting to help Tali. Also, the Geth kill anyone who enters the Perseus Veil. That's pretty hostile.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 04 février 2011 - 07:18 .

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

My view on this isn't based off of just wanting to help Tali. Also, the Geth kill anyone who enters the Perseus Veil. That's pretty hostile.

Right becase Shep was bombed the second he entered the veil. ...Oh wait.

We have no guarantee the people that went in their weren't hostile. We don't know what happened there. They probably killed anyone who entered in self-defense. Their first exposure to organics were them trying to destroy them all after all. And the second someone sees a Geth it's shoot first ask questions later. 

Yet despite this they still send an envoy to Shepard (who can prove them right about organics by giving Legion to Cerberus) to attempt to work together, he's even specially designed for ease of communication and to be useful to Shepard. That's real hostile.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2011 - 07:21 .

[Zing Freelancer]

When you child ask "What is a soul" you dont knock his head into a wall. You sit down and have a polite talk... What did quarians do? They tried to eliminate them, failed to see the potential, geth responded the only way they could. By fighting back.

Now Quarians lost to Geth while being at their technological everest. Like hell thye are going to win against Geth now, unless they imply some tricks. But not in a straight up fight.


If the quarians refuse to put their sore feelings behind and make peace with Geth, then am ditching them in ME3. Legion said himself, if creators willing, coexistence is not impossible. On the other hand.... Finding a geth on half dead reaper with tons of husks, no guarantee he is not an infiltrator.

Modifié par Zing Freelancer, 04 février 2011 - 07:24 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

My view on this isn't based off of just wanting to help Tali. Also, the Geth kill anyone who enters the Perseus Veil. That's pretty hostile.

Right becase Shep was bombed the second he entered the veil. ...Oh wait.

We have no guarantee the people that went in their weren't hostile. We don't know what happened their. They probably killed anyone who entered in self-defense. Their first exposure to organics were them trying to destroy them all.

Yet despite this they still send an envoy to Shepard (who can prove them right about organics by giving Legion to Cerberus) to attempt to work together, he's even specially designed for ease of communication and to be useful to Shepard. That's real hostile.

When you meet Tali on Haestrom, she and her team were investigating a dying sun, which isn't a hostile act. The Geth attacked them. Also, you have to remember that Shepard's ship, the Normandy, is probably the most advanced ship in the galaxy (thanks to Cerberus resources). Either way, killing anyone who enters isn't exactly self-defense. May be the people entering were just looking for salvage, trading with Geth, etc. and the Geth kill them.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 04 février 2011 - 07:28 .

[White_Buffalo94]

@ Zing, the Quarians haven't hit their technological peak, now they are even more technologically advanced. Evidence of this is that they have Geth tech repurposed for them and Rael'Zorah actually discovered a way to repossess the Geth forces

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

When you meet Tali on Haestrom, she and her team were investigating a dying sun, which isn't a hostile act. THe Geth attacked them. Also, you have to remember that Shepard's ship, the Normandy, is probably the most advanced ship in the galaxy (thanks to Cerberus resources). Either way, killing anyone who enters isn't exactly self-defense. May be the people entering were just looking for salvage, trading with Geth, etc. and the Geth kill them.

What we need to know is if Haestrom was heretic or true Geth. I'm not sure which group it was. Also Tali went there with a group of marines and went into what they knew was Geth terrority.

Edit: Wait those were heretics because of the whole "you've never met us." convo with Legion so once again TGs haven't shown any hostility.

And once again we don't know why they went beyond the veil.

If they were trading with Geth we'd know about it. They'd have to come back at some time to get supplies and what not. Plus they'd be Geth tech on sale.

As for salvage: Who exactly would go into geth controlled space where people are said to disappear for salvage? Someone willing to get into a fight would be my guess.

You have a point with the normandy. I forget about it's stealth capabilities because it's so huge.
Also Heretics =/= True Geth.

Any alliance Shep forges would be with the True Geth who haven't shown any hostility.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2011 - 07:35 .

[Pro_Consul]

Have to go with Zing on this one. If the Quarians are so mindlessly bent on enslaving or eliminating the Geth, particularly after what happened the last time they tried that, then that is where I part ways with them.