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[Homebound]

BobSmith101 wrote...
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I'd fight the Galaxy for Tali.
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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
 It seems about 50/50 to me. Also, Legion seemed to have the same tech as the ones we fight on Haestrom. I don't see any distinct factor that can clearly state which Geth faction has the Reaper tech and who doesn't.

Eh.

/shrugs Well to each his own.

My inital point was the Geth make far more valuable allies than the foolish Quarians.

The Geth are a much bigger potential threat than the Quarians, IMO. Also, they wouldn't be good allies after the fight with the Reapers because the Geth say they want to be left alone (no garauntee they wll stay that way) and will likely isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy. Also, because of the attack on the Citadel, the other races will take a very long time to trust the Geth so the Geth might not be worth any value after the fight with the Reapers. I understand your point (and I agree that the Geth might make better allies than the Quarians for the final Reaper fight), but I'm more or less talking about after that (when the Reapers are dead).

[Vaenier]

mangeo wrote...

There is one thing that we can all agree on.........The Geth are a hell of a lot cooler than the collecters.

No argument.

The Collectors were so stupid. Bioware created an entire enemy race to fight, then only let us shoot them 3 whole times... They were all the same, every single one was just a drone with an assault rifle. Harbringer would jump in a few times, but he was just laughable, like a little kid trying to trash talk over xbl. They were not needed at all.

The plot would have been alot better if the Geth were still a massive threat, the Galaxy would be full of propoganda, everyone building armies, and the Geth were constructing a replacement shell for sovereign to download onto, which you fight to destroy in the final mission. So much possibility.

[Zing Freelancer]

Depends... I would assume geth havent fully formed yet, that why some geth was swayed to fight for Sovereign while others simply refused.



Once again, I will assume if the world of mass effect keep on evolving in the same direction, one day Geth will make their "First contact" with the rest of the galaxy.

This will signify "We are here, we have evolved, we have changed. Please accept us". Like any child they will attempt to seek approval from someone else. If they are greeted with hostility, the rest of galaxy will eventually regret it.

[AkiKishi]

Vaenier wrote...

mangeo wrote...

There is one thing that we can all agree on.........The Geth are a hell of a lot cooler than the collecters.

No argument.

The Collectors were so stupid. Bioware created an entire enemy race to fight, then only let us shoot them 3 whole times... They were all the same, every single one was just a drone with an assault rifle. Harbringer would jump in a few times, but he was just laughable, like a little kid trying to trash talk over xbl. They were not needed at all.

The plot would have been alot better if the Geth were still a massive threat, the Galaxy would be full of propoganda, everyone building armies, and the Geth were constructing a replacement shell for sovereign to download onto, which you fight to destroy in the final mission. So much possibility.

More of the Geth civil war would have been better. Legion popping up earlier and the Heretics being there in place of the collectors. The collectors fell flat, the big Prothean reveal , just a yawn because we never got to know the Protheans on a personal level.

Now if Harbinger had actually been whoever died on Virmire twisted like that. I bet that would have evoked a lot more emotion because then it's personal. Even if you did not particularly like the character you would probably not wish that on them.

[leeboi2]

I'd rather side with the geth and bring them into the whole galactic community, they're better than the quarians after all...

[Ramirez Wolfen]

leeboi2 wrote...

I'd rather side with the geth and bring them into the whole galactic community, they're better than the quarians after all...

The Geth may be a bigger potential threat than the Quarians, though.

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
The Geth are a much bigger potential threat than the Quarians, IMO. Also, they wouldn't be good allies after the fight with the Reapers because the Geth say they want to be left alone (no garauntee they wll stay that way) and will likely isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy. Also, because of the attack on the Citadel, the other races will take a very long time to trust the Geth so the Geth might not be worth any value after the fight with the Reapers. I understand your point (and I agree that the Geth might make better allies than the Quarians for the final Reaper fight), but I'm more or less talking about after that (when the Reapers are dead).

You have no guarantee the Krogan won't go beserk after finding a cure of the genophage. You have no guarantee the Rachni Queen is telling the truth. You have no guarantee on a lot of things in ME.

And once again why would the True Geth decide to randomly go "OMG LET'S KILL ORGANICS!" if they weren't be threatened? 

And sorry but the Quarians are basically worthless even witout the Geth. The only thing they'd make good for is meatshields. And already are practically isolated fromthe rest of the Galaxy (the Quarians I mean). If they're anywhere near civilization too long someone tells them to GTFO.

Ah true but the other races don't trust Quarians overmuch either. Like Tali proved herself to the galaxy so would Legion.

And afterwards what do you need *either* of them as allies for?

But yes afterwards the Geth would still be a better choice if only because they'd isolate themselves and not drain on the galaxies resources. Meanwhile the Quarians out of bullheadeness are randomly wandering around space in a giant fleet that many species don't want near them because every Quarian criminal is unleashed on the rest of the galaxy instead of the Quarians taking care of them themselves.

[MercenaryRQ]

Personaly im hoping we get the option for peace between the two...

if we have to choose between the geth and the quarians i would choose the geth.



to me the quarians are the "evil" one in their conflict, even if they more or less acted out of fear and decided to kill the geth. legion mentioned that the organics can involve themself in the futrue the geth are building. since the geth are not hostile to anyone unless they get attacked (unlike the heretics) i doubt the possibility of a war like with the quarians is big.

sure it will not be easy to integrate them into the galactic community, but i think they are more then worth it.



on a side note...

to me the reapers look a bit like a science project gone wrong.. like a race replacing more and more of its body parts with machine parts to become perfect and lost the ground under their feet at some point...

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
The Geth are a much bigger potential threat than the Quarians, IMO. Also, they wouldn't be good allies after the fight with the Reapers because the Geth say they want to be left alone (no garauntee they wll stay that way) and will likely isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy. Also, because of the attack on the Citadel, the other races will take a very long time to trust the Geth so the Geth might not be worth any value after the fight with the Reapers. I understand your point (and I agree that the Geth might make better allies than the Quarians for the final Reaper fight), but I'm more or less talking about after that (when the Reapers are dead).

You have no guarantee the Krogan won't go beserk after finding a cure of the genophage. You have no guarantee the Rachni Queen is telling the truth. You have no guarantee on a lot of things in ME.

And once again why would the True Geth decide to randomly go "OMG LET'S KILL ORGANICS!" if they weren't be threatened? 

And sorry but the Quarians are basically worthless even witout the Geth. The only thing they'd make good for is meatshields. And already are practically isolated fromthe rest of the Galaxy (the Quarians I mean). If they're anywhere near civilization too long someone tells them to GTFO.

Ah true but the other races don't trust Quarians overmuch either. Like Tali proved herself to the galaxy so would Legion.

And afterwards what do you need *either* of them as allies for?

But yes afterwards the Geth would still be a better choice if only because they'd isolate themselves and not drain on the galaxies resources. Meanwhile the Quarians out of bullheadeness are randomly wandering around space in a giant fleet that many species don't want near them because every Quarian criminal is unleashed on the rest of the galaxy instead of the Quarians taking care of them themselves.

You said yourself that the Geth observed organics Legion also mentioned this. Let's say (hypothetically) that there was a huge war spanning across the galaxy and  the Geth watched as the organics killed each other. The Geth may decide that because the organics are prone to violence, that organics are "unnecessary" and need to be destroyed and/or controlled for their "own good" (which is a reference to The Day The Earth Stood Still). The Geth think logically, not like us. That could be a situation.

Also, no offense, but you seem to have a problem with the Quarians. I don't see how an ENTIRE race is "worthless."

[Pro_Consul]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

You said yourself that the Geth observed organics Legion also mentioned this. Let's say (hypothetically) that there was a huge war spanning across the galaxy and  the Geth watched as the organics killed each other. The Geth may decide that because the organics are prone to violence, that organics are "unnecessary" and need to be destroyed and/or controlled for their "own good" (which is a reference to The Day The Earth Stood Still). The Geth think logically, not like us. That could be a situation.

Not really. The Geth have already said that its a core belief of theirs that all species have the right to self-determinate. As long as nobody threatens them, the Geth are not just going to randomly throw that core belief out the window and suddenly decide that self-determination is only for synthetics.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Also, no offense, but you seem to have a problem with the Quarians. I don't see how an ENTIRE race is "worthless."

I agree halfway with each of you here. I, too, have a problem with the Quarians, namely that taken as a group they are self-destructive, bullheaded, genocidal idiots. But they do have qualities that redeem them, particularly on an individual basis: Reegar's devotion, Tali's courage and resourcefulness and so forth. But their track record of acting collectively is alternately repulsive and pathetic.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

You said yourself that the Geth observed organics Legion also mentioned this. Let's say (hypothetically) that there was a huge war spanning across the galaxy and  the Geth watched as the organics killed each other. The Geth may decide that because the organics are prone to violence, that organics are "unnecessary" and need to be destroyed and/or controlled for their "own good" (which is a reference to The Day The Earth Stood Still). The Geth think logically, not like us. That could be a situation.

Not really. The Geth have already said that its a core belief of theirs that all species have the right to self-determinate. As long as nobody threatens them, the Geth are not just going to randomly throw that core belief out the window and suddenly decide that self-determination is only for synthetics.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Also, no offense, but you seem to have a problem with the Quarians. I don't see how an ENTIRE race is "worthless."

I agree halfway with each of you here. I, too, have a problem with the Quarians, namely that taken as a group they are self-destructive, bullheaded, genocidal idiots. But they do have qualities that redeem them, particularly on an individual basis: Reegar's devotion, Tali's courage and resourcefulness and so forth. But their track record of acting collectively is alternately repulsive and pathetic.

The Geth may get involved if a war could possibly threaten them as well (maybe not being directly attacked but weapons being used that could destroy the galaxy). I consider it to be acting out of self-preservation.

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[MercenaryRQ]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The Geth may get involved if a war could possibly threaten them as well (maybe not being directly attacked but weapons being used that could destroy the galaxy). I consider it to be acting out of self-preservation.

Possible, but everyone in the galaxy would get involved then... if they like or not. also possible that the geth might be the force to tip the war in favor of the more peaceful side and be the savior of the galaxy then

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[Ramirez Wolfen]

MercenaryRQ wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The Geth may get involved if a war could possibly threaten them as well (maybe not being directly attacked but weapons being used that could destroy the galaxy). I consider it to be acting out of self-preservation.

Possible, but everyone in the galaxy would get involved then... if they like or not. also possible that the geth might be the force to tip the war in favor of the more peaceful side and be the savior of the galaxy then

The Geth would more than likely be neutral because they say that they want to be left alone.

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

You said yourself that the Geth observed organics Legion also mentioned this. Let's say (hypothetically) that there was a huge war spanning across the galaxy and  the Geth watched as the organics killed each other. The Geth may decide that because the organics are prone to violence, that organics are "unnecessary" and need to be destroyed and/or controlled for their "own good" (which is a reference to The Day The Earth Stood Still). The Geth think logically, not like us. That could be a situation.

Right because once again that had nothing to do with them. That's nothing different than one country watching another have a civil wa rand not sacrificing their resources to help other people work out their issues. Not their problem.

And once again there's nothing to suggest that. You've been watching too much I, Robot. They're as likely to think that as the Asari are to decide that humans are too dangerous and wipe them off the face of the galaxy.

Also this: 

Not really. The Geth have already said that its a core belief of theirs that all species have the right to self-determinate. As long as nobody threatens them, the Geth are not just going to randomly throw that core belief out the window and suddenly decide that self-determination is only for synthetics.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Also, no offense, but you seem to have a problem with the Quarians. I don't see how an ENTIRE race is "worthless."

They constanty throw themselves at an enemy that has already curbstomped them. They refuse to think "hmm...maybe we should try to go somewhere else.." nope. Let's take back the homeworld and kill more and more of our citizens doing it. Idiocy at its finest.

Sure you get people like Qwib who want the unnecessary fighting to start but most of them are all "ra ra let's take back the homeworld!" I can't feel sorry for them. They started the whole mess but refuse to own up to it instead choosing to continue the fight that they're losing.

Then of course there's the fact that the Quarians make no damn sense as a race.

Acute allergic reaction? That nonsense made my brian hurt.

And yeah this too: 

I agree halfway with each of you here. I, too, have a problem with the Quarians, namely that taken as a group they are self-destructive, bullheaded, genocidal idiots. But they do have qualities that redeem them, particularly on an individual basis: Reegar's devotion, Tali's courage and resourcefulness and so forth. But their track record of acting collectively is alternately repulsive and pathetic.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2011 - 08:10 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

You said yourself that the Geth observed organics Legion also mentioned this. Let's say (hypothetically) that there was a huge war spanning across the galaxy and  the Geth watched as the organics killed each other. The Geth may decide that because the organics are prone to violence, that organics are "unnecessary" and need to be destroyed and/or controlled for their "own good" (which is a reference to The Day The Earth Stood Still). The Geth think logically, not like us. That could be a situation.

Right because once again that had nothing to do with them. That's nothing different than one country watching another have a civil wa rand not sacrificing their resources to help other people work out their issues. Not their problem.

And once again there's nothing to suggest that. You've been watching too much I, Robot. They're as likely to think that as the Asari are to decide that humans are too dangerous and wipe them off the face of the galaxy.

Also this: 

Not really. The Geth have already said that its a core belief of theirs that all species have the right to self-determinate. As long as nobody threatens them, the Geth are not just going to randomly throw that core belief out the window and suddenly decide that self-determination is only for synthetics.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Also, no offense, but you seem to have a problem with the Quarians. I don't see how an ENTIRE race is "worthless."

They constanty throw themselves at an enemy that has already curbstomped them. They refuse to think "hmm...maybe we should try to go somewhere else.." nope. Let's take back the homeworld and kill more and more of our citizens doing it. Idiocy at its finest.

Sure you get people like Qwib who want the unnecessary fighting to start but most of them are all "ra ra let's take back the homeworld!" I cant feel sorry for them.

And yeah this too: 

I agree halfway with each of you here. I, too, have a problem with the Quarians, namely that taken as a group they are self-destructive, bullheaded, genocidal idiots. But they do have qualities that redeem them, particularly on an individual basis: Reegar's devotion, Tali's courage and resourcefulness and so forth. But their track record of acting collectively is alternately repulsive and pathetic.

Actually, the Quarians are looking for other planets to colonize. The Council forcibly removed them from one of those planets to give to another race, so they aren't idiots. Also, they want their homeworld back so they can live without their suits in about 60 years. Tali says this in either ME1 or ME2 (the 60 years part, that is)

[Ryzaki]

One planet? Are you kidding me?

Oh noes. They couldn't colonize one planet. So instead of looking for another it makes *much* more sense to keep throwing the fleet at the Geth! Yup. Genius.

And the fact that the Council told them to GTFO means they're obviously not liked by galatic species as a whole that said I don't blame then. The Quarians make remake another Geth like species and doom them all.

And that is stubborn idiocy. They're not getting that planet back. They could've adjusted to another planet by now if they weren't all so obsessed with being able to live without their suits. Which hilariously enough has resulted in their whole race living in their suits far longer.

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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

One planet? Are you kidding me?

Oh noes. They couldn't colonize one planet. So instead of looking for another it makes *much* more sense to keep throwing the fleet at the Geth!

And that is stubborn idiocy. They're not getting that planet back. They could've adjusted to another planet by now if they weren't all so obsessed with being able to live without their suits. Which hilariously enough has resulted in their whole race living in their suits far longer.

It wasn't just one planet they have tried to colonize. That was just an example of one that they tried to colonize.

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
It wasn't just one planet they have tried to colonize. That was just an example of one that they tried to colonize.

How many times and which planets? I would like to check this.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2011 - 08:20 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
It wasn't just one planet they have tried to colonize. That was just an example of one that they tried to colonize.

How many times and which planets? I would like to check this.

Tali mentioned that the Migrant Fleet had been looking into colonizing other worlds. Also, one of the side missions in ME2 is saving a Quarian from a pack of varren. That Quarian (along with the others who died on that planet) were looking into colonizing that planet.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 04 février 2011 - 08:24 .

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Tali mentioned that the Migrant Fleet had benn  looking into colonizing other worlds. Also, one of the side missions in ME2 is saving a Quarian from a pack of varren. That Quarian (along with the others who died on that planet) were looking into colonizing that planet.

When does she mention this? The only thing I got was Shepard telling her they should colonize another planet and her giving that tired line about the homeworld and wanting to be able to live outside her suit.

Which N7 mission is that? I don't usually do them because well they're mostly really boring.

Edit: That said it is valid to side with either group. But the Geth aren't any more of a threat then any organic species.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2011 - 08:26 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Tali mentioned that the Migrant Fleet had benn  looking into colonizing other worlds. Also, one of the side missions in ME2 is saving a Quarian from a pack of varren. That Quarian (along with the others who died on that planet) were looking into colonizing that planet.

When does she mention this? The only thing I got was Shepard telling her they should colonize another planet and her giving that tired line about the homeworld and wanting to be able to live outside her suit.

Which N7 mission is that? I don't usually do them because well they're mostly really boring.

Edit: That said it is valid to side with either group. But the Geth aren't any more of a threat then any organic species.

I think it's ME1 Tali said that (I think). The N7 mission is Quarian Crash Site (it's on Gei Hinnom). I agree the missions are boring and have no real value. Also, the Geth (behind the Reapers) are the most advanced sentient race in the galaxy.  That makes them a threat, regardless of their supposed intentions. 

[Ryzaki]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...



I think it's ME1 Tali said that (I think). The N7 mission is Quarian Crash Site (it's on Gei Hinnom). I agree the missions are boring and have no real value. Also, the Geth (behind the Reapers) are the most advanced sentient race in the galaxy.  That makes them a threat, regardless of their supposed intentions. 

I don't recall that from ME1. I want a citation before I take that seriously.

Ah I'll have to check that out.

Yes because we all know everything different is frightening and scary even when they have done you no harm.

You realize that attitude is the exact reason the Quarians are in their position now right? 

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...



I think it's ME1 Tali said that (I think). The N7 mission is Quarian Crash Site (it's on Gei Hinnom). I agree the missions are boring and have no real value. Also, the Geth (behind the Reapers) are the most advanced sentient race in the galaxy.  That makes them a threat, regardless of their supposed intentions. 

I don't recall that from ME1. I want a citation before I take that seriously.

Ah I'll have to check that out.

Yes because we all know everything different is frightening and scary even when they have done you no harm.

You realize that attitude is the exact reason the Quarians are in their position now right? 

I'm not able to check, but definitely prove me wrong if I am. Also, I'm a Quarian by heart LOL :innocent:

[DarthSliver]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I think it's ME1 Tali said that (I think). The N7 mission is Quarian Crash Site (it's on Gei Hinnom). I agree the missions are boring and have no real value. Also, the Geth (behind the Reapers) are the most advanced sentient race in the galaxy.  That makes them a threat, regardless of their supposed intentions. 

You do know you totally bias against the Geth, there is nothing nobody can say that you wont argue. The point of this thread is pointless now. 

I'm not able to check, but definitely prove me wrong if I am. Also, I'm a Quarian by heart LOL 

Almost like arguing with a Quarian. . . . . 

Modifié par DarthSliver, 04 février 2011 - 08:47 .