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[Cheesy Blue]

I think the hardest choice would be sacrificing your LI for the greater good. It would be an interesting consequence if you decided to save your LI she would end up hating Shepard for sacrificing so many people just to save her. Shepard would end up a broken soul for having sacrificed so many people to save the person he loves, only to have that person resent him for not thinking of the greater good. Also, the whole galaxy would hate Shepard for sacrificing so many people.



If you decide to sacrifice your LI, the Galaxy would praise Sheppard’s name but in the end he will still be deeply broken for personally condemning to death the person he loves.



In my opinion, this will make for a very emotional ending to ME3. It will also cement the idea that sometimes there are no win scenarios and seeing Shepard dealing with this both at the time he's making the choice and in some kind of epilogue would definitely make me tear up, no matter which decision he/she ended up making.



I have never really been for a depressing ending for the epic trilogy we call Mass Effect but if the devs decided to go with a dark ending it would have to be executed like this.

[Estelindis]

If Bioware did put us in a situation where it was LI vs. greater good I hope they'd at least give Shepard more of an emotional reaction than if s/he sacrifices a romanced Ash or Kaidan at Virmire. Seriously, Joker and the marine who wasn't sacrificed seem much more upset at what happens there than Shep ever does. :-/



That said: while it would be really dramatic and powerful if done right, I don't want Bioware to do it. Had enough of that in DA:O, thanks all the same.

[Cheesy Blue]

Estelindis wrote...

If Bioware did put us in a situation where it was LI vs. greater good I hope they'd at least give Shepard more of an emotional reaction than if s/he sacrifices a romanced Ash or Kaidan at Virmire. Seriously, Joker and the marine who wasn't sacrificed seem much more upset at what happens there than Shep ever does. :-/

That said: while it would be really dramatic and powerful if done right, I don't want Bioware to do it. Had enough of that in DA:O, thanks all the same.

Yeah, I'm really hoping they push the emotional side of Shepard to a new level in ME3. I think it would be really cool if we get see him cry, laugh, and just be less of a cold character.

Modifié par Cheesy Blue, 04 février 2011 - 06:08 .

[AndrahilAdrian]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

I think the hardest choice would be sacrificing your LI for the greater good. It would be an interesting consequence if you decided to save your LI she would end up hating Shepard for sacrificing so many people just to save her. Shepard would end up a broken soul for having sacrificed so many people to save the person he loves, only to have that person resent him for not thinking of the greater good. Also, the whole galaxy would hate Shepard for sacrificing so many people.

If you decide to sacrifice your LI, the Galaxy would praise Sheppard’s name but in the end he will still be deeply broken for personally condemning to death the person he loves.

In my opinion, this will make for a very emotional ending to ME3. It will also cement the idea that sometimes there are no win scenarios and seeing Shepard dealing with this both at the time he's making the choice and in some kind of epilogue would definitely make me tear up, no matter which decision he/she ended up making.

I have never really been for a depressing ending for the epic trilogy we call Mass Effect but if the devs decided to go with a dark ending it would have to be executed like this.

that's not an ethical dilemma. It's flippin' obvious that you should sacrifice the LI. condemning a large number of people to death just to save the person you love is selfish and wrong. It might make for decent drama (if the need to sacrifice the LI felt organic), but it's hardly a difficult moral choice.

[LtlMac]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

I think the hardest choice would be sacrificing your LI for the greater good. It would be an interesting consequence if you decided to save your LI she would end up hating Shepard for sacrificing so many people just to save her. Shepard would end up a broken soul for having sacrificed so many people to save the person he loves, only to have that person resent him for not thinking of the greater good. Also, the whole galaxy would hate Shepard for sacrificing so many people.

If you decide to sacrifice your LI, the Galaxy would praise Sheppard’s name but in the end he will still be deeply broken for personally condemning to death the person he loves.

In my opinion, this will make for a very emotional ending to ME3. It will also cement the idea that sometimes there are no win scenarios and seeing Shepard dealing with this both at the time he's making the choice and in some kind of epilogue would definitely make me tear up, no matter which decision he/she ended up making.

I have never really been for a depressing ending for the epic trilogy we call Mass Effect but if the devs decided to go with a dark ending it would have to be executed like this.

See my earilier post for a better explanation.   At the end of the day....since your LI in the game is not nearly as significant as you love interest in real life (or.....really......compared to other bioware games----let's face it, Ashley and Miranda are no Bastilla) the choice is too easy.   MAYBE if we had developed a SIGNIFICANT and FULLFILLING reletionship in ME1 &2 this would ahve merit....but as it stands, Ashely and Miranda are just two hot chicks I hooked up with.....a more fullfilling relatioinship is of a future development.   Veronica and Bastilia are the two Queens of Bioware.   Anything shor tof them are just not worth worrying about too much.

[LtlMac]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

I think the hardest choice would be sacrificing your LI for the greater good. It would be an interesting consequence if you decided to save your LI she would end up hating Shepard for sacrificing so many people just to save her. Shepard would end up a broken soul for having sacrificed so many people to save the person he loves, only to have that person resent him for not thinking of the greater good. Also, the whole galaxy would hate Shepard for sacrificing so many people.

If you decide to sacrifice your LI, the Galaxy would praise Sheppard’s name but in the end he will still be deeply broken for personally condemning to death the person he loves.

In my opinion, this will make for a very emotional ending to ME3. It will also cement the idea that sometimes there are no win scenarios and seeing Shepard dealing with this both at the time he's making the choice and in some kind of epilogue would definitely make me tear up, no matter which decision he/she ended up making.

I have never really been for a depressing ending for the epic trilogy we call Mass Effect but if the devs decided to go with a dark ending it would have to be executed like this.

that's not an ethical dilemma. It's flippin' obvious that you should sacrifice the LI. condemning a large number of people to death just to save the person you love is selfish and wrong. It might make for decent drama (if the need to sacrifice the LI felt organic), but it's hardly a difficult moral choice.

You are correct.  In gamer terms.  But seriously, in real life, what wouldn't you do to protect your wife and child.  The whole world could burn if I knew they were safe.  This is the dilema of being falible.

[TheBMT]

Killing yourself to save the galaxy.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

whether to punch conrad verner or to shoot him...

[Chuvvy]

Rawgrim wrote...

Letting Earth get destroyed, for the greater good.

Oh yeah that's gonna happen. My money's on that being the final choice.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LordJeyl wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Letting Earth get destroyed, for the greater good.

As a fan of the series that praised the story lines for not making Earth the center of the universe in regards to importance to the overall story, this is not even a hard choice. I'm serious. I'd let Earth be destroyed without a moment's hesitation, and I'm an all out Paragon player. Mass Effect is a big universe with a big picture that doesn't focus solely on the human race. Having Earth turn into the center of the universe like all the other cliché scifi stories will only make Mass Effect more forgettable. 

I have the completely opposite opiinion.

[CaptainZaysh]

LordJeyl wrote...

As a fan of the series that praised the story lines for not making Earth the center of the universe in regards to importance to the overall story, this is not even a hard choice. I'm serious. I'd let Earth be destroyed without a moment's hesitation, and I'm an all out Paragon player. Mass Effect is a big universe with a big picture that doesn't focus solely on the human race. Having Earth turn into the center of the universe like all the other cliché scifi stories will only make Mass Effect more forgettable. 

That's hardly surprising, since in any conflict the Paragons tend to instinctively side with the enemy: whether that be the geth over the quarians, the krogan over the salarians, the rachni over the Council, etc etc.  Of course you'd kill eleven billion of your fellow humans to prove how sophisticated you are - after all, you're a Paragon.

Modifié par CaptainZaysh, 04 février 2011 - 10:50 .

[LordJeyl]

I only voice my disappointment with Earth's involvement with Mass Effect 3 because that trailer looks like it belongs to a completely different game. How many games that are out there right now that involve an "Aliens invade Earth" do you know of? We got Duke Nukem, Resistance, Half Life, Command and Conquer, Metal Slug, X-COM, Contra, Flashback, Spaceship Warlock,



and the one franchise that Bioware seems to be following the "Mass Appeal" to the letter, Halo. And that series also saved Earth for the third game.



See where I'm going with this? I don't hate Earth. I just like that it wasn't important in the Mass Effect storyline. That made the franchise unique amongst a lot of other games that tend to focus solely on the human element.



But now, out of all the alien races, out of all the worlds in the galaxy, the Reapers choose to invade Earth. Saving Earth does not interest me because I've played that game before. I want to save the Assari, the Drell, the Elcor, the Hanar (most alien looking species in the game that had no role in ME2), the Salarians, the Turians, the Volus. Heck, I'll even save the Batarians and the Vorcha! Send Shepard back in time and save the Collector General before the Collector Base blows up.

[LtlMac]

LordJeyl wrote...

I only voice my disappointment with Earth's involvement with Mass Effect 3 because that trailer looks like it belongs to a completely different game. How many games that are out there right now that involve an "Aliens invade Earth" do you know of? We got Duke Nukem, Resistance, Half Life, Command and Conquer, Metal Slug, X-COM, Contra, Flashback, Spaceship Warlock,

and the one franchise that Bioware seems to be following the "Mass Appeal" to the letter, Halo. And that series also saved Earth for the third game.

See where I'm going with this? I don't hate Earth. I just like that it wasn't important in the Mass Effect storyline. That made the franchise unique amongst a lot of other games that tend to focus solely on the human element.

But now, out of all the alien races, out of all the worlds in the galaxy, the Reapers choose to invade Earth. Saving Earth does not interest me because I've played that game before. I want to save the Assari, the Drell, the Elcor, the Hanar (most alien looking species in the game that had no role in ME2), the Salarians, the Turians, the Volus. Heck, I'll even save the Batarians and the Vorcha! Send Shepard back in time and save the Collector General before the Collector Base blows up.

Well, since we don't know any real aliens, and earthlings are the developers, creators, and consumers of the story.....I think people should forgive the contsant 'earth centric' attitude towards story telling.  I, for one, was simply amazed by the concept in ME1 that we were just a minor player in the galaxy.  That was enough to 'scratch the itch' for me (regarding your--understanble--viewpoints).  If it wasn;'t enough for you...well, thats ok....to each their own.

As for me....I've seen the games as a reflection of our nature to strive to success.  By this I mean....though the games are centrally about Shepard and the possible extinction of the galaxy, the underlying theme has been about the ascendency  of the human race via Shepard reprenting us/them.  A finale surrounding earth seems quite appropriate to me (and makes sense given the story thus far). 

That said I understand your frustration...but focusing on anything BUT earth would weaken the story (based on how it has been told so far) imho.  Perhaps you will get what you seek sometime with another story from another place.  I for one wouldn't have wanted it any other way.

[Kane-Corr]

Sacrifice your crew and a handful of squadmates for your LI...





Or...the dreaded Virmire decision....





(Male Shep) Choose your LI....or best friend (Garrus)





I would undoubtedly pause the game and probably scream until blood spewed from my throat

[Kane-Corr]

LordJeyl wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Letting Earth get destroyed, for the greater good.

As a fan of the series that praised the story lines for not making Earth the center of the universe in regards to importance to the overall story, this is not even a hard choice. I'm serious. I'd let Earth be destroyed without a moment's hesitation, and I'm an all out Paragon player. Mass Effect is a big universe with a big picture that doesn't focus solely on the human race. Having Earth turn into the center of the universe like all the other cliché scifi stories will only make Mass Effect more forgettable. 

I agree with you...plus, it's not like humanity hasn't moved onto other planets....Eden Prime, Terra Nova, etc. Being a Paragon you'd be obligated to choose this way.

[LtlMac]

Kane-Corr wrote...

LordJeyl wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Letting Earth get destroyed, for the greater good.

As a fan of the series that praised the story lines for not making Earth the center of the universe in regards to importance to the overall story, this is not even a hard choice. I'm serious. I'd let Earth be destroyed without a moment's hesitation, and I'm an all out Paragon player. Mass Effect is a big universe with a big picture that doesn't focus solely on the human race. Having Earth turn into the center of the universe like all the other cliché scifi stories will only make Mass Effect more forgettable. 

I agree with you...plus, it's not like humanity hasn't moved onto other planets....Eden Prime, Terra Nova, etc. Being a Paragon you'd be obligated to choose this way.

That is the equivant of saying that the British Empire and culture (still thriving today in it's own way) would have been 'ok' had the Brtish Isles been anniliated, simply because it had colonies all over th world.  Sorry, but I don't think that would have been the case.

[MassAffection842]

LordJeyl wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Letting Earth get destroyed, for the greater good.

As a fan of the series that praised the story lines for not making Earth the center of the universe in regards to importance to the overall story, this is not even a hard choice. I'm serious. I'd let Earth be destroyed without a moment's hesitation, and I'm an all out Paragon player. Mass Effect is a big universe with a big picture that doesn't focus solely on the human race. Having Earth turn into the center of the universe like all the other cliché scifi stories will only make Mass Effect more forgettable. 

Wow....your betraying you'r entire race! Illusive Man's gonna kick your a** now!

[MassAffection842]

Choose whether to kill off your squadmates that have been possessed by Reapers, or sparing them for them to ravage the galaxy, the elite warriors that they are.

[simon.dean]

For me it was samara vs morinth. I sat at my 360 for 10-20 min (not exaggerating) trying to decide. My Paragon (with 2 and a half bars of renegade) shep picked morinth. I don't know samara just kinda bugged me.

[chris2365]

Choosing to save Earth or the Citadel

[London]

Morinth killing people made that one an easy choice for me, regardless if she was "born that way" or whatever.



Sadly I think I'd pick my LI over "the greater good" lol.

[xentar]

LtlMac wrote...

xentar wrote...

Why do so many people want games to screw them over? As if there's no real life to to that without asking...

Life is a journey.  I promise you that if you percieve it to have 'screwed you over' too many times your issue is your perspective.   Treat it as an adventure...........you and I will one day be dead....but this forum discussion, and my post to you, will have always taken place.  At the end of the day, anything that gets our blodd flowing is a good thing, for better or worse.  Trust me....the stagnation of emotion is way worse than anything else the worlds got to offer.

Thats me bineg 100% honest to random forum people.

I don't really think life screwed me over in any way, I just find it an overall negative and pointless experience (that I am likely going to end myself sooner or later). So, I can't really understand people who want to receive even more negativity in games. Those exist to escape from life and so, should generally be positive experiences in my opinion.