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[ladyofpayne]

I love mages. As persons not class. They are fight for freedom.

[AlexXIV]

arcane-weirdo wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
You can't stop people being born as mages, as you can't stop magic itself from existing. So that's not a factor you can influence. But using mages to undo curses mages are responsible is still a good move. Especially since for every mage in your army ,10 normal soldiers don't have to die.

Tell that to Buffy

I haven't seen Buffy for quite a while ... how is she doing anyway?

[Arthur Cousland]

It's hard to believe that the Tevinter mages had anything to do with the darkspawn after seeing the broodmothers.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 03 février 2011 - 04:23 .

[AlexXIV]

Arthur Cousland wrote...
It's hard to believe that the Tevinter mages had anything to do with the darkspawn after seeing the broodmothers.

The darkspawn are a curse, like Zathrian's werewolf curse. Most likely some mage wanted to be either immortal or allmighty or something and triggered the curse in the process. Whether the chantry lies or not, I am pretty sure some sort of magic is responsible for the darkspawn curse and the blights.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 03 février 2011 - 04:25 .

[arcane-weirdo]

AlexXIV wrote...

arcane-weirdo wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
You can't stop people being born as mages, as you can't stop magic itself from existing. So that's not a factor you can influence. But using mages to undo curses mages are responsible is still a good move. Especially since for every mage in your army ,10 normal soldiers don't have to die.

Tell that to Buffy

I haven't seen Buffy for quite a while ... how is she doing anyway?

She's in San Francisco, a lotta slayers and wiccans hate her, Giles is dead as hell, Willow is in love with a half-snake lady who she won't ever see again, Xander and Dawn are dating, Angel is in a shock-like state in Faith's apartment and Spike is on a giant yellow spaceship piloted by giant bugs.

PS: Mages FTW

Modifié par arcane-weirdo, 03 février 2011 - 04:26 .

[AlexXIV]

arcane-weirdo wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

arcane-weirdo wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
You can't stop people being born as mages, as you can't stop magic itself from existing. So that's not a factor you can influence. But using mages to undo curses mages are responsible is still a good move. Especially since for every mage in your army ,10 normal soldiers don't have to die.

Tell that to Buffy

I haven't seen Buffy for quite a while ... how is she doing anyway?

She's in San Fransisco, a lotta slayers and wiccans hate her, Giles is dead as hell, Willow is in love with a half-snake lady who she won't ever see again, Xander and Dawn are dating, Angel is in a shock-like state in Faith's apartment and Spike is on a giant yellow spaceship piloted by giant bugs.

PS: Mages FTW

Didn't Willow marry Marshall? Now I am confused ... anyway.

[Bad King]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

It's hard to believe that the Tevinter mages had anything to do with the darkspawn after seeing the broodmothers.

Plus the Tevinter mages didn't even believe in the Maker, so why would they try and invade the golden city which they didn't think existed? As far as I know they only believed in the old gods.

[Elsariel]

AlexXIV wrote...

The darkspawn are a curse, like Zathrian's werewolf curse. Most likely some mage wanted to be either immortal or allmighty or something and triggered the curse in the process. Whether the chantry lies or not, I am pretty sure some sort of magic is responsible for the darkspawn curse and the blights.

That kind of assumption is likely why people fear mages to begin with.  People blame mages for every bad thing there ever was and... blammo!  Mages stuck in towers under the ruling thumb of a religious order.

Not saying you're wrong.  Mages could be responsible for the existance of darkspawn.  Nobody knows for sure, though.

[blothulfur]

And now i'm a dwarf, all things are possible under the Qun.

Worry not humans the mage born blights shall end when the Qun decides they are to end.

[Junri]

I do not know about you guys, but I prefer my cities abomination and maleficar free thank you very much. The only reason I sided with the mages is because they are probably more effective fighting force against darkspawn then the templars.

[AlexXIV]

Elsariel wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

The darkspawn are a curse, like Zathrian's werewolf curse. Most likely some mage wanted to be either immortal or allmighty or something and triggered the curse in the process. Whether the chantry lies or not, I am pretty sure some sort of magic is responsible for the darkspawn curse and the blights.

That kind of assumption is likely why people fear mages to begin with.  People blame mages for every bad thing there ever was and... blammo!  Mages stuck in towers under the ruling thumb of a religious order.

Not saying you're wrong.  Mages could be responsible for the existance of darkspawn.  Nobody knows for sure, though.

I didn't say though that it is ok to blame one mage for what another mage did. That's like blaming David Gaider for Chris Priestly's mistakes. That wouldn't be fair, would it?

Anyway magic and mages are powerful. That's I think undisputed.

[Cutlass Jack]

AlexXIV wrote...

Didn't Willow marry Marshall? Now I am confused ... anyway.

I see what you did there.

[arcane-weirdo]

Does anybody think mage-fear is kinda similar to homophobia?(asides from the whole mage-fear is in-game thingy) *backs away slowly*

[arcane-weirdo]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Didn't Willow marry Marshall? Now I am confused ... anyway.

I see what you did there.

Oooh, oooh, I saw what he did too

[silentassassin264]

David Gaider wrote...

Alodar wrote...
If a group of people existed in todays supposedly educated society that had these abilites, those modern mages would be controlled/locked up/persecuted without thought.

There is no question it is 100% reasonable for ordinary folks to want mages locked up or killed.

Indeed. The reason the "templars are bad" view is so prevalent is because most of us live in cushy western societies where anything that smells like oppression is Very Bad, and the only determining factor in how one should treat mages is how fair that treatment is. Of course, we don't have to live with the idea that Poor Oppressed Joe living next door to us might be secretly controlling our mind to make us like him-- or one day turn into a monster and kill our entire family-- but that doesn't need to stop us from being idealistic in our fantasy worlds, now, does it?

I doubt that.  If there were certain people in modern planet earth that could heal people, cast fireballs, etc. they would probably be revered as gods in many places and have cults dedicated to them.  The only reason we dismiss that now is because there actually is no magic in real life, if there was, you can bet it would be ruling over us much like we have science do that now.  People would take the good with the bad because if you are being ruled by mages, an abomination isn't even a big deal because the other mages can just blow it up.  You also have to keep in mind that there is plenty of anti-magical stuff as well ie Knight Commander plate, Mage Hunter, Dweomer runes galore.  If people wanted to live apart from magic like the dwarves, they could very easily do that as well.  If you were afraid Joe was controlling you, just wear a dweomer rune engraved hat (with lyrium trimmings for extra shiny).  

[AlexXIV]

Junri wrote...

I do not know about you guys, but I prefer my cities abomination and maleficar free thank you very much. The only reason I sided with the mages is because they are probably more effective fighting force against darkspawn then the templars.

But if your cities are abomination-free people won't need a hero and you will be unemployed, loiter on the streets and beg for money to buy you a meal.

[Big I]

Mages are the closest things to doctors in a world without medicine - and they're kept locked in prisons. It's madness.

If mages were real and existed today,  I would have no problem with their freedom so long as they were trained and policed properly because:

1) Their powers would be hugely beneficial to society (healing the injured, Glyphs of Repulsion used as home security, etc)

2) Were we to limit the freedoms of everyone with the power to harm others, that would include everyone

3) Simply because some people use their power to hurt others is no reason to penalise everyone. Thousands of people die every year as a result of car accidents; that doesn't mean we should ban all cars.

[atheelogos]

packardbell wrote...

http://social.biowar...9&poll_id=14398

According to my poll they do. They've been winning by a large margin.

I would vote again if I could I love me some mages!!

[Eternal Phoenix]

blothulfur wrote...

And now i'm a dwarf, all things are possible under the Qun.
Worry not humans the mage born blights shall end when the Qun decides they are to end.

The bald giant and the dwarf are just illusions. Deep down you are still the human we are coming to arrest. This doesn't end here...we'll meet again like we always do my nemesis...

[Arthur Cousland]

arcane-weirdo wrote...

Does anybody think mage-fear is kinda similar to homophobia?(asides from the whole mage-fear is in-game thingy) *backs away slowly*

Like mage-phobia?  It's not just that some mages are evil and some aren't; there's also the threat of demon posession.  What happened with Connor should have any non-mage weary of mages, right or not.

[SnowHeart1]

From a commoner's perspective and, frankly, even the perspective of the mundane elite (think Loghain and other non-magic-wielding rulers), I can see the rationale behind the Circle. But some of this discussion is missing one of the points: while the perspective may be "mages are dangerous", it's probably more accurate to say "demons are dangerous". I was trying to think of fantasy settings with established mage orders and traditions and one example that came to mind was DragonLance, with three different orders for three different world views (traditional good, neutral, evil). The evil mages didn't run around blowing people up because, one, that's just not smart and, two, eventually the good and neutral mages would kill them. But that's not the real issue in Thedas or DA -- it's that mages become possessed, and demons are not as constrained by self-preservation because they'll just go back to the Fade. The demons are chaotic entities interested in destruction and chaos for their own sake. There is no natural "check" to balance them, thus the necessity of the Circle. Now, I would argue that senior enchanters have generally shown themselves to be able to resist the temptations of demons and should be granted more freedom, but then you have those nasty incidents like at the Denerim tower. So, while I happily play apostates and anti-Chantry characters, I totally see the in-setting logic and, yes, even morality behind the system.

[AlexXIV]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Mages are the closest things to doctors in a world without medicine - and they're kept locked in prisons. It's madness.

If mages were real and existed today,  I would have no problem with their freedom so long as they were trained and policed properly because:

1) Their powers would be hugely beneficial to society (healing the injured, Glyphs of Repulsion used as home security, etc)

2) Were we to limit the freedoms of everyone with the power to harm others, that would include everyone

3) Simply because some people use their power to hurt others is no reason to penalise everyone. Thousands of people die every year as a result of car accidents; that doesn't mean we should ban all cars.

If you see it like that you could say mages are the closest thing to nowadays doctors and scientists. They are powerful in the sense in which knowledge makes powerful. I am sure some of them could blow up some big cities main street and cause hundrets to die. Well they are sort of 'screened' because society does have mechanism to prevent people who for example how to kill other people from doing it. So I don't exactly see why it wouldn't work for mages if done properly. I am not against templars per se, but it is a difference to have a police or to have a police with almost every right to do what they like. It's called police-state.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Having a fantasy tale wthout some form of magic isn't really common. Even Star Wars had the Force which can be viewed as magic from a certain point of view. And for those who actually read about its discovery in the early lore on Tython will see some weird factors (but that's not the point).

BioWare's approach to mages is very unique in its own way. Magic is used, but it also is very dangerous, and people try to deal with that in their own way, whether by employing an army of templars or by simply cutting their tongues.

To answer the big question, yes i like mages, to the same extent i like the templars. Both factions have equal sides of good and bad atributes. The Force has a Light and Dark side, similar to how the Mages have Blood and Healing magic and templars are faced with a battle between Duty and personal feelings (in my oppinion).

If the main conflict in DA2 surrounds the Templar/Mage situation it's going to be very interesting to see not only how people will handle it, but also how BioWare approaches it. I for one, as I have mentioned, have mixed oppinions on both sides, and I don't really see the world of Thedas without either of them. That's why I'm not going to choose a side and see if there will be some way to make peace between the two.

[Bad King]

arcane-weirdo wrote...

Does anybody think mage-fear is kinda similar to homophobia?(asides from the whole mage-fear is in-game thingy) *backs away slowly*

Depends on who you ask. Some people in game see mage imprisonment as a means to protect society and the mages themselves from their power. However other people in game dislike them because they are convinced that they caused the Maker to turn his back on creation and so irrationally look at all mages with disdain.

[silentassassin264]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

arcane-weirdo wrote...

Does anybody think mage-fear is kinda similar to homophobia?(asides from the whole mage-fear is in-game thingy) *backs away slowly*

Like mage-phobia?  It's not just that some mages are evil and some aren't; there's also the threat of demon posession.  What happened with Connor should have any non-mage weary of mages, right or not.

Not really.  A demon can possess anyone.  There is nothing stopping a Pride Demon from possessing a warrior of renown and causing a bloody rampage.  They just prefer mages because mages amplify their power.  If you chose to fight the demon of Asunder, however, you know that if that power was behind a rogue or warrior, you would still be screwed.

Modifié par silentassassin264, 03 février 2011 - 04:44 .