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[NTsikuris]

As we all know, Blood Magic is a dark, forbidden magic and is usually only taught by demons. But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage? Surely not all Blood Mages are evil. Could the Devs explain more on this subject? It would be greatly appreciated.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

yes but Power corrupts

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[NTsikuris]

What if the Mage was strong enough to resist the corruption?

[Eudaemonium]

Blood Magic has inherent dangers due to its ability to mind-control people. Nonetheless, Blood Mages don't have to be evil. Take Jowan - okay he did some stupid stuff, but you could say that he was in a desperate situation. And if you take him in the Mage Origin, he migth have been inept and a bit stupid, but he certainly wasn't evil or a bad person, just rather weak.

Nonetheless, I think we might be seeing some of this in DA2, given that Merrill is a blood mage and what we have been told about her paints her as anything but the stereotyped blood mage.

[Falls Edge]

Blood is symbolic and has iron in it, I hope this time the blood mages get wise and put their blood in vials before fighting instead of having to cut themselves. 

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

NTsikuris wrote...

What if the Mage was strong enough to resist the corruption?

If he's strong he has more power, Correct?

The more power you have the more likley you will be to take advantage of it.
If i were to tell you that you had the ability to have any man or woman sleep/fall in love with you and there was not one thing anyone could do about it would you honestly never try it?

[Maria Caliban]

NTsikuris wrote...

But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage?

Certainly. There's nothing inherently bad about blood mage. The ability to control the mind of another might be problematic, but there are other perfectly benign things blood magic can do.

[Morroian]

NTsikuris wrote...

As we all know, Blood Magic is a dark, forbidden magic and is usually only taught by demons. But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage? Surely not all Blood Mages are evil. Could the Devs explain more on this subject? It would be greatly appreciated.

Sure blood is just a different source of power that makes it easier to do certain things, so long as a mage resists temptation he's not evil.

[Falls Edge]

You could just read the dresden files if you like fiction, they basically answer the quest of why it is a horrible idea to learn magic that control minds, and what would realistically happen if you gave someone that ability.

[NTsikuris]

In the Dragon Age Legends trailer, the elven mage is clearly a Blood Mage and she doesn't appear to be evil. I usually play a morally benevolent character, but I love the power of Blood Magic and I'm hoping to create a kind Blood Mage.

[AlexXIV]

We don't really know what it takes to be a bloodmage. In-game we only get a set of buttons which are not really more evil than other buttons of other skills. For example it would be interesting to know what exactly was involved in Morrigan's 'dark' ritual.

[Ivers0803]

could a country be considered good if it uses a nuke in war? Its an arguement that can go back and forth indefinately. Its kind of a gray area, pick your shade

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

Maria Caliban wrote...

NTsikuris wrote...

But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage?

Certainly. There's nothing inherently bad about blood mage. The ability to control the mind of another might be problematic, but there are other perfectly benign things blood magic can do.

Isn't the ability to control the mind of another Inherently bad?
If your government had tech to control your thoughts but didn't use them would you still want your government to have them? 

[Maria Caliban]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

NTsikuris wrote...

But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage?

Certainly. There's nothing inherently bad about blood mage. The ability to control the mind of another might be problematic, but there are other perfectly benign things blood magic can do.

Isn't the ability to control the mind of another Inherently bad?

An ability isn't inherently bad.

If your government had tech to control your thoughts but didn't use them would you still want your government to have them? 

If my government had tech to control thoughts but didn't use them, it wouldn't matter whether my government had them or not.

[The Bard From Hell]

You could make Wynne a Blood Mage in Origins, and I made Anders one too. None of them is evil, and none of them complains about it.

[NTsikuris]

I think it determines on how the individual USES their power. If you use your abilities with malicious intentions, then the person could be categorized as evil/nefarious. But if the individual only used his/her powers to help their allies or defensively, then I would assume that they would not be evil. What are your thoughts?

[The Elder King]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

NTsikuris wrote...

But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage?

Certainly. There's nothing inherently bad about blood mage. The ability to control the mind of another might be problematic, but there are other perfectly benign things blood magic can do.

Isn't the ability to control the mind of another Inherently bad?
If your government had tech to control your thoughts but didn't use them would you still want your government to have them? 

Blood magic gives the user the possibility to use blood (his or of another person) to fuel his spells. Blood magic gives the possibility to control mind, but you don't have to use it. A blood mage could simply use his blood to fuel his spell (as I do when I played BM in Origins) without controlling minds or using other person's blood.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

Maria Caliban wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

NTsikuris wrote...

But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage?

Certainly. There's nothing inherently bad about blood mage. The ability to control the mind of another might be problematic, but there are other perfectly benign things blood magic can do.

Isn't the ability to control the mind of another Inherently bad?

An ability isn't inherently bad.

If your government had tech to control your thoughts but didn't use them would you still want your government to have them? 

If my government had tech to control thoughts but didn't use them, it wouldn't matter whether my government had them or not.

So you would feel completley safe knowing your government had the tech to control your thoughts?
You would have no problem with that, really?

[TJPags]

I think the blood magic thing is a Chantry creation. None of the evil blood mages we saw in DA so far tried any form of mind control. Nor were they particularly difficult to kill. Blood mage was a talent (or skill? whichever) that the PC or companions could use in DA - and I'm sure not everyone who took that option played evil characters.



Blood magic is a tool. Don't hate the tool. Hate the person who uses it.



And don't believe the hype.

[IanPolaris]

The Bard From Hell wrote...

You could make Wynne a Blood Mage in Origins, and I made Anders one too. None of them is evil, and none of them complains about it.

Well Anders does albeit half-heartedly when he complains that the Templars would have labeled him "Malificar, true or not" and just killed him, you can say (if you made him a bloodmage), "Well you are a maleficar" at which point he rather snarkily replies, "Yeah, and don't think the irony isn't lost on me."  Anders doesn't like bloodmagic one bit.

-Polaris

[Eudaemonium]

There isn't really anything *inherently* bad about controlling other people (I mean if you want to get technical, we are always controlled by a combination of past experiences and influences, the amount of free choice that goes into any decision is up for debate). Nonetheless, we live in a society that places immense value on personal liberty and the concept of free will. In such a society the idea of mind-control is somewhat abhorent to many. I think that abhorence is conditional, rather than inherent, though. In a society where the concept of the individual did not carry much weight, mind-control by community leaders for the good of 'the group' would probably not be as objectionable.

[The Elder King]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

NTsikuris wrote...

But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage?

Certainly. There's nothing inherently bad about blood mage. The ability to control the mind of another might be problematic, but there are other perfectly benign things blood magic can do.

Isn't the ability to control the mind of another Inherently bad?

An ability isn't inherently bad.

If your government had tech to control your thoughts but didn't use them would you still want your government to have them? 

If my government had tech to control thoughts but didn't use them, it wouldn't matter whether my government had them or not.

So you would feel completley safe knowing your government had the tech to control your thoughts?
You would have no problem with that, really?

Jedi can control minds. Nobody seem particulary worried in SW.
I have a question: if a mage knows blood magic, he/she is immune to blood domination in your opinion?

Modifié par hhh89, 03 février 2011 - 10:50 .

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

hhh89 wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

NTsikuris wrote...

But couldn't someone of benevolent nature be a Blood Mage?

Certainly. There's nothing inherently bad about blood mage. The ability to control the mind of another might be problematic, but there are other perfectly benign things blood magic can do.

Isn't the ability to control the mind of another Inherently bad?
If your government had tech to control your thoughts but didn't use them would you still want your government to have them? 

Blood magic gives the user the possibility to use blood (his or of another person) to fuel his spells. Blood magic gives the possibility to control mind, but you don't have to use it. A blood mage could simply use his blood to fuel his spell (as I do when I played BM in Origins) without controlling minds or using other person's blood.

But isn't the ability in itself simply bad? What's better everyone having nukes no one dare uses, or Having no nukes at all? Sure no country is dropping the A bomb right now but at any point in the future they could, and that in itself is going to make anyone nervous i think.

[InHarmsWay]

Here's how I see the hypocrisy.



Using your blood to do magic? That's unforgivable! Now excuse me while I'll set these soldiers on fire so they die slowly from the flames.



There are evil aspects of blood magic, but so do other magics. Why is charging an enemy full of energy (entropy - walking mine) so they explode is perfectly okay, but using your blood to create a shockwave is not.

[NTsikuris]

The ability to control minds isn't a bad thing. As stated above, Jedi can use mind tricks and such. But they are considered "good'. I think people assume that if you have all that power, that an individual abuse it. With great power, comes great responsibility. I'm sure that strong willed individuals would be able to control the magic.