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[LobselVith8]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lob, you remain as blind and short-sighted as ever.
Failing to put some real thought and see the bigger picture..

Is there a point to your posts, or do you simply enjoy being a troll?

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No... NO ONE with mind control power can be trusted. AT ALL. NEVER. EVER. No exceptions.

Once again putting forth opinion as fact? Because the Warden can use mind control to save lives and protect people in DA:O. Clearly, the Warden can use blood magic for the greater good, and even mind control.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

B.t.w - what templars use might even be technicly called blood magic, but if it's, it's the most harmless and normal application of it possible. Creating a tracking item.
That gulf between that and mind control is so large, it might as well be infinite.

Gaider called it blood magic at PAX.

[Juggernaught203]

LobselVith8 wrote...


Should have looked closer at what I wrote. I meant that Grey Wardens use blood mages to combat the darkspawn per Duncan's comment on the issue in the Magi Origin if you consider blood magic to be evil in the conversation with him, not that they were all blood mages. I don't see how people can consider blood magic evil when Grey Wardens are created through the magic involving the blood of a darkspawn and an Archdemon - i.e. blood magic.

Right. I had a feeling you were implying something like this.

[SgtPriad]

Blood magic is one of those things, the magic itself is not evil or bad on its own. Its more about the person using it.

[Ziggeh]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No... NO ONE with mind control power can be trusted. AT ALL. NEVER. EVER. No exceptions.

That's not true. Trust might not ever be applied to them by others, but that's not the same as "can never be trusted".

[Eclipse_9990]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lob, you remain as blind and short-sighted as ever.
Failing to put some real thought and see the bigger picture..

No... NO ONE with mind control power can be trusted. AT ALL. NEVER. EVER. No exceptions.

B.t.w - what templars use might even be technicly called blood magic, but if it's, it's the most harmless and normal application of it possible. Creating a tracking item.
That gulf between that and mind control is so large, it might as well be infinite.

Everyone trusts Jedi...

Also you seem to be getting a little worked up bro. Lol I imagine if Psychic abilities are real, and word got out about it. You'd be the first one out with your Torch, and Pitch Fork yelling "Burn the Witches!" 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 07 février 2011 - 06:02 .

[Ziggeh]

SgtPriad wrote...

Blood magic is one of those things, the magic itself is not evil or bad on its own. Its more about the person using it.

In real life I would agree that nothing is inherent;y good or bad. I don't believe in moral absolutes. But we are presented with them in Dragon Age. Demons aren't just spirits with bad PR, they're innately destructive and parasitic.

As such, I think there's a definite case for seeing blood magic as inherently evil. I'm of the opinion that it's a physical representation of the demonic feeding process (they use emotion to power their fade constructs), which makes it deeply troubling, as does my belief that the reason it was taught to humans in the first place was to create situations ideal for demonic feeding. The ancient tevinter empire must have been a positive pride based feast. But do even these assumptions make it evil? Not sure.

I think it can be used responsibly, and for good, but then I believe that just as good people can do bad things, good things can be done by bad people, and so this wouldn't affect any intrinsic value.

[AlexXIV]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lob, you remain as blind and short-sighted as ever.
Failing to put some real thought and see the bigger picture..

No... NO ONE with mind control power can be trusted. AT ALL. NEVER. EVER. No exceptions.

B.t.w - what templars use might even be technicly called blood magic, but if it's, it's the most harmless and normal application of it possible. Creating a tracking item.
That gulf between that and mind control is so large, it might as well be infinite.

Everyone trusts Jedi. 
Also you seem to be getting a little worked up bro. Lol I imagine if Psychic abilities are proven and real, and word got out. You'd be the first one with your Torch, and Pitch Fork. "Burn the Witches!" 

Thing about trust, if you have to make 100% sure that the person won't betray you, it is not trust anymore. And as a result you couldn't trust anyone at all. I can understand where the fear of mindcontrol comes from but if you go for example to a psychologist, you trust a person who can control your mind. Not in the fashion bloodmagic does, but you still have to trust a stranger to not mess with your mind.

[Ziggeh]

Thinking about it, I think you can trust a blood mage. There's objective evidence of it's use, and so all you have to do is check that no one is currently bleeding profusely and you can be pretty clear blood magic is not in effect.

[Virginian]

So far I have made all my companion mages Blood Mages.

Only Anders has ever said anything about it.

I thought it was funny when Wynn (SP?) complained about using blood magic to save that Redcliffe child when she herself was a Blood Mage.

[AlexXIV]

Virginian wrote...

So far I have made all my companion mages Blood Mages.

Only Anders has ever said anything about it.

I thought it was funny when Wynn (SP?) complained about using blood magic to save that Redcliffe child when she herself was a Blood Mage.

Wynne also mentions bloodmagic when you are bloodmage before you meet her in the circle tower. She remarks that you used spells she doesn't know. Even if you didn't  actually use them, I guess game just checks whether your specialisation is bloodmage. Anyway, strange since she asked me where I got it so I could only say not your business or lie to her, since I got it from unlocking it in a previous play-through and I couldn't tell her that. I use to do mage tower before redcliffe with my mage so I wasn't even at the point I could have gotten it from the desire demon.

[Juggernaught203]

AlexXIV wrote...

Thing about trust, if you have to make 100% sure that the person won't betray you, it is not trust anymore. And as a result you couldn't trust anyone at all. I can understand where the fear of mindcontrol comes from but if you go for example to a psychologist, you trust a person who can control your mind. Not in the fashion bloodmagic does, but you still have to trust a stranger to not mess with your mind.

Warden: "And how do I know you can be trusted?"
Shale:     "I have no idea. How does it trust anything else without a control rod?"
Warden: "It doesn't."

Modifié par Juggernaught203, 07 février 2011 - 11:13 .

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Blood mages can be of any alignment, but a good blood mage would need strong mental fortitude, since the temptation of evil would be stronger. I got the impression that the ancient elves used blood magic, and they weren't evil. In DAO there were plenty of non-blood mages and even templars that became demonically possessed, so becoming possessed by demons probably has more to do with desiring evil.

[Serpieri Nei]

It's Ser Pounce-a-lot

Oh and almost forgot...

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Hi. I remember our necro discussion. That is one evil-looking pic. Lol
As for the Dragon Age universe, blood magic is actually the opposite of necromancy. In DA2, is blood magic viewed any differently?