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IanPolaris wrote...

Ecaiki wrote...

I'd say blood magic is evil for two reasons;

1) The only way to use the power is to intentionally diminish the life of another, even if the blood mage is doing the noble thing and only using their own.  In essence you are taking life for power, which is something that anyone claiming to be good should find unacceptable.


If that is so, then falling on a grenade in order to save your comrades is also an evil act, and somehow I beg to differ there.  In fact I'd say it's the height of nobility (and thus 'good') if you intentionally diminish your own life to benefit others.  Likewise I find it difficult to criticise others for voluntarily offering their own life force to help others provided no coercion is used of course and they know what the risks are.

By the same logic all organ donations would also be evil acts.  Point is the morality isn't as blacfk and white regarding bloodmage as the Chantry would have you believe.



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Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 05 février 2011 - 08:06 .


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IanPolaris wrote...

If that is so, then falling on a grenade in order to save your comrades is also an evil act, and somehow I beg to differ there.  In fact I'd say it's the height of nobility (and thus 'good') if you intentionally diminish your own life to benefit others.  Likewise I find it difficult to criticise others for voluntarily offering their own life force to help others provided no coercion is used of course and they know what the risks are.

By the same logic all organ donations would also be evil acts.  Point is the morality isn't as blacfk and white regarding bloodmage as the Chantry would have you believe.

Yes that- wait, what?!  A grenade is a self-contained explosive device that requires nothing of the user except to activate it, you don't have to add a vial of blood to the thing before it'll explode.  Also I'm amused you compared shielding your friends/loved ones/comrades from danger to draining another being's life force to fuel something.

Organ donations would only fall under an evil act if you take them from unwilling, living (or depending on the culture, non pre-agreed dead) people.

I see where you're coming from on the willing donation part, as it's what we do when giving blood at a blood bank.  However you can save someone's life without another's blood (depending on the problem), you can't use blood magic at all unless someone bleeds.  Though I do agree that if the mage is only drawing on their own blood it's tolerable, as it's of their own free will, and they understand the risks.

Still, how long until they get sick of cutting themselves to use the power, and start "borrowing" from others?

That's not always true either.  If we subvert the will of someone that we know is acting against his fellow man or (espcially!) in the ACT of harming others, then I'd hardly call that evil.  For example if you used mind-control to prevent a bandit from murdering children, I'd hesitate to call that an evil act.

Anyone that commits a crime forfeits their right to freedom.  That's why we draw a line between locking someone up for murder, and locking someone up for no reason.

Actually they do but it only works on the weak minded, and again WHY it's used is paramount (and why the Dark Side always beckons).

The Dark Side always beckons because it's like a drug to use.

Modifié par Ecaiki, 05 février 2011 - 08:28 .


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[quote]Ecaiki wrote...

[quote]IanPolaris wrote...

If that is so, then falling on a grenade in order to save your comrades is also an evil act, and somehow I beg to differ there.  In fact I'd say it's the height of nobility (and thus 'good') if you intentionally diminish your own life to benefit others.  Likewise I find it difficult to criticise others for voluntarily offering their own life force to help others provided no coercion is used of course and they know what the risks are.

By the same logic all organ donations would also be evil acts.  Point is the morality isn't as blacfk and white regarding bloodmage as the Chantry would have you believe.[/quote]
Yes that- wait, what?!  1)A grenade is a self-contained explosive device that requires nothing of the user except to activate it, you don't have to add a vial of blood to the thing before it'll explode.  2)Also I'm amused you compared shielding your friends/loved ones/comrades from danger to draining another being's life force to fuel something.

3)Organ donations would only fall under an evil act if you take them from unwilling, living (or depending on the culture, non pre-agreed dead) people.

I see where you're coming from on the willing donation part, as it's what we do when giving blood at a blood bank.  However you can save someone's life without another's blood (depending on the problem), you can't use blood magic at all unless someone bleeds.  Though I do agree that if the mage is only drawing on their own blood it's tolerable, as it's of their own free will, and they understand the risks.

4)Still, how long until they get sick of cutting themselves to use the power, and start "borrowing" from others?

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1) Doesn't Blood Magic require activating? Unlike grenades Blood Magic doesn't run the risk of activating at random times.

2)You know when a Blood Mage uses blood magic they can use their own blood right? 

3) Blood Magic used from other peoples blood doesn't have to be evil. Their can be people who "donate" some of their own blood for the spell. The're called "bleeders". 

4) I don't know.. If Blood Mages have been cutting themselves for so long I'd figure they'd get used to the pain, that and they tend to have high constitution, and can heal themselves 

[quote]That's not always true either.  If we subvert the will of someone that we know is acting against his fellow man or (espcially!) in the ACT of harming others, then I'd hardly call that evil.  For example if you used mind-control to prevent a bandit from murdering children, I'd hesitate to call that an evil act.[/quote]
Anyone that commits a crime forfeits their right to freedom.  That's why we draw a line between locking someone up for murder, and locking someone up for no reason.
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So if it was against the law to feed a starving child, or to defend yourself. That person deserves to be locked up?

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 05 février 2011 - 08:56 .


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Everyone,

The real point I was trying to get at was that Bloodmagic (and even Mind Control magic) isn't evil in of itself any more than any other tool is evil in of itself.  Furthermore there is nothing instrinsic about blood magic that requires even or even questionable acts (you can use animales to supply power as well as your own blood...it doesn't have to require involuntary human sacrifice!)

What's more, there is nothing in the Chant of Light that forbids bloodmagic.  In this the Imperial Chantry is quite right.  At most, the Chant of Light would tend to preclude Mind Control Magic (magic should serve man not rule over him) but even that is subject to some interpretation and mind-control magic is only a small part of bloodmagic as a whole.

The entire entry on Malificar (Codex Entry) involves Divine Jusitna I going through all sorts of weird logical contortions with the Chant of Light in order to come up with the result she wanted (i.e. Bloodmagic is evil and all blood mages are Maleficar).  In fact there is no justification for this in the actual chant of light.  Rather the Chant of Light says in rather fancy language that if you misuse the power of magic, you will be damned for it, but that magic as a whole is the Maker's gift.....and that's hardly an earthshaking revelation.

-Polaris

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magic &blood magic is in grey choice its not in black & white theme

if listen to chantry then go to _ _ _ _

my motto is good templar is dead templar

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Eclipse_9990 wrote...

1) Doesn't Blood Magic require activating? Unlike grenades Blood Magic doesn't run the risk of activating at random times.

2) You know when a Blood Mage uses blood magic they can use their own blood right? 

3) Blood Magic used from other peoples blood doesn't have to be evil. Their can be people who "donate" some of their own blood for the spell. The're called "bleeders". 

4) I don't know.. If Blood Mages have been cutting themselves for so long I'd figure they'd get used to the pain, that and they tend to have high constitution, and can heal themselves

Those poor, mangled quotes.  =]

1) That wasn't the point.

2) I mentioned that.

3) That's not the point either.  Blood magic, by its very nature, requires someone to give some of their life for it to even happen.  At the very least this puts it firmly in the grey area of morality.

4) Ah, but why should they keep cutting themselves when there's so many walking blood bags just waiting to be drained.  It's only a little blood, right?  That person won't miss it...  See how easy that is.

So if it was against the law to feed a starving child, or to defend yourself. That person deserves to be locked up?

You know what I mean by crime, there are certain acts that are always evil, written law punishing them or not.

IanPolaris wrote...

Everyone,

The real point I was trying to get at was that Bloodmagic (and even Mind Control magic) isn't
evil in of itself any more than any other tool is evil in of itself.  Furthermore there is nothing instrinsic about blood magic that requires even or even questionable acts (you can use animales to supply power as well as your own blood...it doesn't have to require involuntary human sacrifice!)

That's not true, at all.  Some things are evil, they have no other use but to cause death and/or destruction.  Unless you can point out the social or health benefits to controlled application of mustard gas, or ebola.

I'm a little scared that you would disgard a life so easily just because it's an animal's.  Though I guess that means you wouldn't be outraged if another, more advanced species were to show up on earth and start using us for cattle, right?

What's more, there is nothing in the Chant of Light that forbids bloodmagic.  In this the Imperial Chantry is quite right.  At most, the Chant of Light would tend to preclude Mind Control Magic (magic should serve man not rule over him) but even that is subject to some interpretation and mind-control magic is only a small part of bloodmagic as a whole.

The entire entry on Malificar (Codex Entry) involves Divine Jusitna I going through all sorts of weird logical contortions with the Chant of Light in order to come up with the result she wanted (i.e. Bloodmagic is evil and all blood mages are Maleficar).  In fact there is no justification for this in the actual chant of light.  Rather the Chant of Light says in rather fancy language that if you misuse the power of magic, you will be damned for it, but that magic as a whole is the Maker's gift.....and that's hardly an earthshaking revelation.

Sounds more like you're the one doing logic gymnastics to make blood magic seem nicer then it is.

Also the chant has been altered, for example the Elf slave that burned with Andraste has been removed from it.

Modifié par Ecaiki, 05 février 2011 - 09:23 .


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Ecaiki wrote...

You know what I mean by crime, there are certain acts that are always evil, written law punishing them or not.


Very, very few.  Murder (by that I mean the unlawful killing of another without sanction) might be one and even that is disputable.  Certainly draining life-force is not always an evil act.  It can but, but the act itself is not evil.

IanPolaris wrote...

Everyone,

The real point I was trying to get at was that Bloodmagic (and even Mind Control magic) isn't
evil in of itself any more than any other tool is evil in of itself.  Furthermore there is nothing instrinsic about blood magic that requires even or even questionable acts (you can use animales to supply power as well as your own blood...it doesn't have to require involuntary human sacrifice!)

That's not true, at all.  Some things are evil, they have no other use but to cause death and/or destruction.  Unless you can point out the social or health benefits to controlled application of mustard gas, or ebola.


Mustard Gas was originally a by-product of beneficial chemical processess, and mustard gas used to eradicate pests from a field (say gophers for example) is at worst morally neutral.  I also point out that most drugs are also poisons including anti-venoms and psychoactive drugs neromuscular disease (and especially cardiac drugs).

Phosgene is the accidental result of hot copper and Carbon Tetra-cloride which has many beneficial uses.

As for Ebola, Ebola is a disease organising that is badly designed for the human body (which is why it's so deadly) but that doesn't make it evil.  It makes it a dangerous harzard...and one we can learn from (same with the other Hanta-Type viruses of which Ebola is a member).

I'm a little scared that you would disgard a life so easily just because it's an animal's.  Though I guess that means you wouldn't be outraged if another, more advanced species were to show up on earth and start using us for cattle, right?


Do you wear leather?  Do you eat meat?  If so then you've just proclaimed yourself a hypocrit then.  Animales aren't sentient and sapient, humans are.  Given that, I'll happily sacrifice animales to save human lives.  Human Life >> Animal Life, Peta and it's idiot followers notwithstanding.

What's more, there is nothing in the Chant of Light that forbids bloodmagic.  In this the Imperial Chantry is quite right.  At most, the Chant of Light would tend to preclude Mind Control Magic (magic should serve man not rule over him) but even that is subject to some interpretation and mind-control magic is only a small part of bloodmagic as a whole.

The entire entry on Malificar (Codex Entry) involves Divine Jusitna I going through all sorts of weird logical contortions with the Chant of Light in order to come up with the result she wanted (i.e. Bloodmagic is evil and all blood mages are Maleficar).  In fact there is no justification for this in the actual chant of light.  Rather the Chant of Light says in rather fancy language that if you misuse the power of magic, you will be damned for it, but that magic as a whole is the Maker's gift.....and that's hardly an earthshaking revelation.

Sounds more like you're the one doing logic gymnastics to make blood magic seem nicer then it is.

Also the chant has been altered, for example the Elf slave that burned with Andraste has been removed from it.


Read the Codex Entry.  Even in the modern chant of light there is no specific prohibition against bloodmagic.  I dare you to find a single passage that specifically outlaws bloodmagic.

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 05 février 2011 - 09:33 .


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IanPolaris wrote...

Mustard Gas was originally a by-product of beneficial chemical processess, and mustard gas used to eradicate pests from a field (say gophers for example) is at worst morally neutral.  I also point out that most drugs are also poisons including anti-venoms and psychoactive drugs neromuscular disease (and especially cardiac drugs).

Phosgene is the accidental result of hot copper and Carbon Tetra-cloride which has many beneficial uses.

As for Ebola, Ebola is a disease organising that is badly designed for the human body (which is why it's so deadly) but that doesn't make it evil.  It makes it a dangerous harzard...and one we can learn from (same with the other Hanta-Type viruses of which Ebola is a member).

There you go again, wiping out life just because you don't value it.  But I suppose that just means we'll never see eye to eye on this issue.

Do you wear leather?  Do you eat meat?  If so then you've just proclaimed yourself a hypocrit then.  Animales aren't sentient and sapient, humans are.  Given that, I'll happily sacrifice animales to save human lives.  Human Life >> Animal Life, Peta and it's idiot followers notwithstanding.

No, and if the human body didn't require animal proteins to function then I wouldn't.

Life is life, though at least we know to other animals the feeling is mutual.  Also (some) animals are sentient, and considering what I've seen them do I'd also call their supposed lack of sapience into question as well.

Read the Codex Entry.  Even in the modern chant of light there is no specific prohibition against bloodmagic.  I dare you to find a single passage that specifically outlaws bloodmagic.

One would think, with what they teach about Tevinter that it would be obvious that blood magic is evil.  Though people do need to be reminded not to shine a torch in their own faces so...

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Althoug I HATE the magister of the Tevinter imperium, they clearly abuse their power (in the blood mage entry of the codex it's stated that blood magic is born as an alternative method to fuel spells). If I use only my blood to fuel my spells, and if I used blood control only when I fought against some enemies, why I can't do that?

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Magic that requires yourself or someone else to be hurt and mainly serves the purpose of enslaving other people used for a good thing?



Blood mages need to die. All of them.

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Well, it's the same of Reaver (although only hurting yourself), so I believe every Reaver need to die?
Plus, it's not serve "mainly" the purpose of enslaving other people. Probably it's mainly used to this, but it's not necessary. Blood magic mainly serve to use blood to fuel spells. If a BM decides to only cut himself to fuel his spells, and never uses mind control, do you still think he deserves to die?

Edit: Proably you think that all Jedi need to die.

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FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Magic that requires yourself or someone else to be hurt and mainly serves the purpose of enslaving other people used for a good thing?


This simply isn't true.  Blood (or life-force) is simply an alternative power source for magic, and that's all.  Furthermore nothing says it has to be human life and nothing says it can't be your own.  Futhermore mind-control is the smallest part of bloodmagic, and I note in passing that several entropy spells also do a Jim-Dandy job at enslaving people.

Encaikil,

With all due respect, I find your position ridiculous.  All life is not equally precious.  Otherwise you'd have to hold mass funerals every time you took a breath.  Few people see the problems in using dogs to sniff out bombs instead of using people. The same applies here.

If you wear leather.  If you eat meat, and you hold the position you do, then you are simply being a hypocrit.  Sorry, but the exact definition of the word fits.

-Polaris

Edit:  All living things feed on death, even vegatarians...and even plants.  It's called the second law of thermodynamics.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 05 février 2011 - 10:06 .


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A normale mages, as Ian said, could already use some kinf of control on other people with the Entropy school (even sucking life), so I suppose that every mage who use Entropy schools need to die.
Look, probably most of blood mages abuse their power and need to be capture and eventually killed (althoug I'm not sure), but the ability itself isn't bad. It depends on how you use it.

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IanPolaris wrote...

Encaikil,

You could at least take a few seconds to get my name right.  <_<

With all due respect, I find your position ridiculous.  All life is not equally precious.  Otherwise you'd have to hold mass funerals every time you took a breath.  Few people see the problems in using dogs to sniff out bombs instead of using people. The same applies here.

If you wear leather.  If you eat meat, and you hold the position you do, then you are simply being a hypocrit.  Sorry, but the exact definition of the word fits.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not going to fight the fox to save the rabbit, that would be ridiculous.  I value life enough that I dislike seeing it taken when there isn't a need.  You mentioned gophers in the mustard gas example, in that scenario I would look for a way to get rid of them that didn't involve killing them, that would be a last resort.

As I said, I only eat meat because the human body requires it.  You might find this interesting, but I don't actually have an issue with others eating meat, it's just something I would prefer not to have to do.  Something else for fun, I dislike any farm that raises animals for meat, as all life deserves the right to fight for its survival.  How can a cow or a chicken do that when it's penned up?  People should have to earn their meat.  :bandit:

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FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Magic that requires yourself or someone else to be hurt and mainly serves the purpose of enslaving other people used for a good thing?

Blood mages need to die. All of them.


So a Blood Mage that uses his own blood to help people, and do good in general. Needs to die? Frankly your point of view is way more evil than simply using blood magic. Who cares if a blood mage wants to use his own blood or hurt himself to do his spells, its none of your business. Besides what about people who donate their own blood or organs(Yes I know this example was already used)?
Needles hurt, but the blood is being taken out to help someone. Also Blood Magic's main purpose isn't enslaving people, its just using your blood to bolster regular spells, and as a alternative to Mana. 

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Power corrupts.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Power corrupts.


Yeah, and crap smells bad. Whats your point? 

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That question leads to a philosopical and moral argument so old and discussed that the very text from such a post would pour out of your screen and drown you.

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Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Yeah, and crap smells bad. Whats your point?


Last time I checked, "crap" wasn't capable of subtly manipulating a king or leader against their will or cause destruction on a grand scale. One of my favorite fanfics I've read plays with the idea (Unhardened King Alistair + Blood Mage chancellor that is the "power behind the throne").

Give somebody this power and what do you expect? Everybody to stay on the straight and narrow? If I had the power to control somebody's mind, I'm capable of admitting I'd abuse it. Though I guess that means nothing, right? Blood mages are clearly victims here, they are incapable of evil and it's only chantry propaganda.

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Maybe we don't have enough information to truly determine whether blood magic is intrisically evil or is just a neutral tool. Blood is associated with one's life force. Could the use of blood magic be corrupting in and of itself in a way that using a tool isn't?



Using a couple of examples from fantasy literature, in LOTR readers saw that Sauron's Ring was not a neutral tool. It was a device that through use would corrupt/debase the controlling party. Could blood magic be corrupting in a similar fashion? I don't think that we have enough information but it is possible.



Using an example from Harry Potter, could blood magic corrupt one's humanity in a way similar to the corruption that occurs when creating a horcrux?



Right now I don't think there is enough information to have any certainty about the status of blood magic. We do know that many, possibly most, people view blood magic as different and worse from lyrium-based magic. It could be because they are misinformed. However, it could be because it is corrupting or intrinsically evil in some other way.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

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If your government had tech to control your thoughts but didn't use them would you still want your government to have them? 

If my government had tech to control thoughts but didn't use them, it wouldn't matter whether my government had them or not.

So you would feel completley safe knowing your government had the tech to control your thoughts?
You would have no problem with that, really?

If they never used it, yes.

How would you know they never used it? Mind control includes perception and memories manipulation.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Yeah, and crap smells bad. Whats your point?


Last time I checked, "crap" wasn't capable of subtly manipulating a king or leader against their will or cause destruction on a grand scale. One of my favorite fanfics I've read plays with the idea (Unhardened King Alistair + Blood Mage chancellor that is the "power behind the throne").

Give somebody this power and what do you expect? Everybody to stay on the straight and narrow? If I had the power to control somebody's mind, I'm capable of admitting I'd abuse it. Though I guess that means nothing, right? Blood mages are clearly victims here, they are incapable of evil and it's only chantry propaganda.


Just because someone uses blood magic it doesn't necessarily make them evil. Take StarWars for instance.. The dark side is "bad", and Luke Skywalker is a "good" guy right? But he eventually learns and uses Dark Side powers like Force Choke, and Force Lightning. Does that make him evil? No it doesnt. All Jedi use Force Persuasion right? Thats essentially just taking control of someones mind. So are jedi evil? No. Most Jedi are morally grey in my opinion, but they delusion themselves into thinking their all good. 

Here's some more example.. Scenarios if you will. Murder is bad right? Lets say there's a baby that was just born.. Like literally just out of the womb, and put in the nursery. But you know for a fact, and have indesputable knowledge, and knowing for whatever reason that this baby is going to grow up to be a disgusting, immoral, sadistic, and downright evil person, and will pretty much hurt anyone. You have three choices.. 

1) Kill the kid. 2) Try to tell people what the baby will grow up to be(Like they'll believe you). 3) Ignore the baby, and do nothing just to satisfy your own selfish sense of morality. What do you do? 

One more. Your in war, its pretty much the last stand, the next battle will decide everything. The enemy is launching a virus bomb, on a city full of at least 10,000 people. You have to decide to defend either the city or your base. If you defend the city you'll be defenseless, and pretty much screw yourself, and you and your subordinates will be dead to boot. You have three choices.

1)Forget about the city, and defend your base. 2)Defend the city. 3)Split your forces to try and defend both. What do you do? 

The point of these questions are, that most of the time there isn't a definite example of good and evil, its mostly just grey all around its just a lighter or darker shade. Just because blood magic has the potential to do some bad things, doesn't make it inherently evil, and neither does it make the person automatically evil as well. 

Evil people are going to do evil things, Good people are going to do good things, and as for Neutrals.. Either or.
Blood magic isn't like the taint where it automatically corrupts your mind, and changes you. 

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Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Blood magic isn't like the taint where it automatically corrupts your mind, and changes you. 


How do you know that with any degree of certainty? If you are correct and blood magic doesn't have a corrupting influence then I would fully agree but right now I don't know that.

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Ecaiki wrote...

With all due respect, I find your position ridiculous.  All life is not equally precious.  Otherwise you'd have to hold mass funerals every time you took a breath.  Few people see the problems in using dogs to sniff out bombs instead of using people. The same applies here.

If you wear leather.  If you eat meat, and you hold the position you do, then you are simply being a hypocrit.  Sorry, but the exact definition of the word fits.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not going to fight the fox to save the rabbit, that would be ridiculous.  I value life enough that I dislike seeing it taken when there isn't a need.  You mentioned gophers in the mustard gas example, in that scenario I would look for a way to get rid of them that didn't involve killing them, that would be a last resort.


It would be a resort though.  Farmers flood out rodents every year btw and the rodents are just as dead.  Frankly you are "saving the rabbit from the fox" when you take your state position to it's full logical conclusion, and yes it's ridiculous.  As for "not taking life unless needed" there is nothing about bloodmagic that requires you to take life.  It requires life energy.  So does a blood transfusion. 

As I said, I only eat meat because the human body requires it.  You might find this interesting, but I don't actually have an issue with others eating meat, it's just something I would prefer not to have to do.  Something else for fun, I dislike any farm that raises animals for meat, as all life deserves the right to fight for its survival.  How can a cow or a chicken do that when it's penned up?  People should have to earn their meat.  :bandit:


And you get to determing how one properly should "earn" to eat their meat?  Please.

It's the same logical extension of your stated position and it's silly.  All life requires death to survive.  Even vetegarians.  It's an instrinsic consequence of the second law of thermodynamics.  That being so, no all life is equally precious.  Human life >> Animal life, and bloodmagic doesn't even require life to work.  It requires life energy which need not equate to death.

-Polaris

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Maconbar wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Blood magic isn't like the taint where it automatically corrupts your mind, and changes you. 


How do you know that with any degree of certainty? If you are correct and blood magic doesn't have a corrupting influence then I would fully agree but right now I don't know that.


There is no in game evidence that blood magic creates inherent corruption.  None.

Jowan may have been an idiot but he wasn't corrupted by bloodmagic and he used it extensively.  He was and remained a basically decent person.  Likewise your PC Warden can be a bloodmage and there is no apparent corruption there either (nor for those you teach bloodmagic too).  For that matter Merrill in DA2 appears to be a bloodmage and basically a good person.

Bloodmagic is dangers and more potent than normal magic and it opens up possibility (like mindcontrol) that are extremely tempting and prone to corruption, but that doesn't mean bloodmagic itself causes corruption and there is no evidence of that in the game other than unsupported assertions usually by Chantry apologists.

-Polaris