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[dearlyblvd]

Stanley Woo wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
If nobody from your company can help me, then should I simply remain silent? This topic is about DLCs. I'm not deviating from the main discussion.

Maybe wait until the weekend is over and people are back in the office?

Ok Stanley, you are wrong in this situation and with this message you are basically begging me for to continue complaining in this thread, but I will send you a PM instead of "spamming this thread with tech issue". I also would like to point that my first post is 100% related to this topic, as it shows the huge amount of DLCs that were released, which is what some people are complaining about.

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 05 février 2011 - 07:29 .

[Morning808]

NErWOnek wrote...

@LoneFullmetal: Some of us will just get them with our game.

Wait what? He stated that you won't get the DLC from the start of the game. How did you comment come to be?

[NKKKK]

Morning808 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
If nobody from your company can help me, then should I simply remain silent? This topic is about DLCs. I'm not deviating from the main discussion.

Maybe wait until the weekend is over and people are back in the office?

ROFL!!!!! Modderrater+1!

Yh until it happens to you.

[XX55XX]

Honestly, why is everyone so worked up about trying to get every last bit of promotional DLC? I'm seeing people on Ebay selling their Ser Isaac armor codes, even. With the exception of stuff like Sebastian and the Black Emporium, most of the DLC they are offering are just tiny little trinkets that probably are not any better than any of the regular gear in the game.

I hate how EA is trying to stratify everything. Please, release DLC only after the game ships? Pre-release DLC is cheap.

[HTTP 404]

dearlyblvd wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
If nobody from your company can help me, then should I simply remain silent? This topic is about DLCs. I'm not deviating from the main discussion.

Maybe wait until the weekend is over and people are back in the office?

Ok Stanley, you are wrong in this situation and with this message you are basically begging me for to continue complaining in this thread, but I will send you a PM instead of "spamming this thread with tech issue". I also would like to point that my first post is 100% related to this topic, as it shows the huge amount of DLCs that were released, which is what some people are complaining about.

let it go....you brought up a point that doesnt need constant reposting.  Personally I dont think its that big a deal and Stan already gave you an answer yet you try to seek an answer you want to hear.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 05 février 2011 - 08:16 .

[JrayM16]

dearlyblvd wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
If nobody from your company can help me, then should I simply remain silent? This topic is about DLCs. I'm not deviating from the main discussion.

Maybe wait until the weekend is over and people are back in the office?

Ok Stanley, you are wrong in this situation and with this message you are basically begging me for to continue complaining in this thread, but I will send you a PM instead of "spamming this thread with tech issue". I also would like to point that my first post is 100% related to this topic, as it shows the huge amount of DLCs that were released, which is what some people are complaining about.

How is he wrong that most employees have the weekend off cause it's a weekend? 

[Seifz]

Those screens certainly aren't using USD. We pay $5 per 400 BioWare Points.



Anyway, retailer-exclusive DLC sucks. Please fix.

[AlanC9]

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

It's hard to make a serious case that DLC is hurting Bio's image. DAO had more-or-less the same kind of DLC that DA2's going to have, as you say. And DAO.... was a success. Same thing for ME2. They won that Studio of the Year award after all the DLC started. And so on.

Bioware is a great company with a great reputation.  They make great games.  I don't think DLC shenanigans alone will destroy the company or make people stop buying their games.  But ever since Bioware was bought by EA, gamers are wary of the influence EA may have over Bioware.  SecuROM DRM on Mass Effect was the first bit of unpleasantness gamers had to deal with since Bioware and EA collided.  Now we have all of this bothersome pre-release DLC.  I think those two things may have reduced Bioware's shiny reputation a bit with some gamers.  If we continue to see more bad business from Bioware, their reputation may eventually get dragged down into the mud.

You see "gamers." I see a tiny minority of whiners -- we keep hearing in this thread that most players don't give a damn, and I agree with that. The difference is that I don't get upset with the majority for not giving a damn.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 février 2011 - 08:26 .

[AlanC9]

XX55XX wrote...

Honestly, why is everyone so worked up about trying to get every last bit of promotional DLC? I'm seeing people on Ebay selling their Ser Isaac armor codes, even. With the exception of stuff like Sebastian and the Black Emporium, most of the DLC they are offering are just tiny little trinkets that probably are not any better than any of the regular gear in the game.

I hate how EA is trying to stratify everything. Please, release DLC only after the game ships? Pre-release DLC is cheap.

If the DLC items are worthless -- I agree with this part -- why care what EA does or doesn't do with them?

[dearlyblvd]

JrayM16 wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
If nobody from your company can help me, then should I simply remain silent? This topic is about DLCs. I'm not deviating from the main discussion.

Maybe wait until the weekend is over and people are back in the office?

Ok Stanley, you are wrong in this situation and with this message you are basically begging me for to continue complaining in this thread, but I will send you a PM instead of "spamming this thread with tech issue". I also would like to point that my first post is 100% related to this topic, as it shows the huge amount of DLCs that were released, which is what some people are complaining about.

How is he wrong that most employees have the weekend off cause it's a weekend? 

You probably misunderstood. First, I was talking about the exchange rates that I provided, which are correct. Second, the people that I contacted before, including him, basically told me that they couldn't help me, so even if I wait one month, it won't matter at all, as my problem won't be solved.

[JrayM16]

dearlyblvd wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
If nobody from your company can help me, then should I simply remain silent? This topic is about DLCs. I'm not deviating from the main discussion.

Maybe wait until the weekend is over and people are back in the office?

Ok Stanley, you are wrong in this situation and with this message you are basically begging me for to continue complaining in this thread, but I will send you a PM instead of "spamming this thread with tech issue". I also would like to point that my first post is 100% related to this topic, as it shows the huge amount of DLCs that were released, which is what some people are complaining about.

How is he wrong that most employees have the weekend off cause it's a weekend? 

You probably misunderstood. First, I was talking about the exchange rates that I provided, which are correct. Second, the people that I contacted before, including him, basically told me that they couldn't help me, so even if I wait one month, it won't matter at all, as my problem won't be solved.

No, I didn't misunderstand, I was joking. 

But also, in both pics you provided the currencies were definetely inconsistent.  Now, I don't know the full extent of your problem so I can't say if this disporves your point, but it seems  a bit weird.

Also, in fairness to Stanley, you were pulling the thread off topic, technically.

[Realranger55]

AlanC9 wrote...
You see "gamers." I see a tiny minority of whiners -- we keep hearing in this thread that most players don't give a damn, and I agree with that. The difference is that I don't get upset with the majority for not giving a damn.

I'd rather be whining, then the alternative to this situation, which is to bend over and take it. Some people are just better at getting on there hands and knees I guess.

edit* talking about the dlc trend in general in gaming, not your precious pre-order freebies.

Modifié par Realranger55, 05 février 2011 - 11:49 .

[Phoenixblight]

Realranger55 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
You see "gamers." I see a tiny minority of whiners -- we keep hearing in this thread that most players don't give a damn, and I agree with that. The difference is that I don't get upset with the majority for not giving a damn.

I'd rather be whining, then the alternative to this situation, which is to bend over and take it. Some people are just better at getting on there hands and knees I guess.

Oh yeah real mature. Yes because I am "taking" it because I simply preorder the game, register for the newsletter, yeah because that was soooo hard. Does baby want his bottle?

[SkittlesKat96]

Yeah the DLC items are kind of overwhelming but as long as I have the signature edition plus that shield and sword I'm happy.



Speaking of the signature edition, does EVERY retailer have the signature edition if you preordered it before January the 11th? I preordered mine in December from an Australian electronics consumer store called JB Hi-fi and I can't remember if they spoke about a signature edition or not.

[Eshaye]

It's just a bunch of pixel crap I'd probably sell to a merchant for gold anyway, like I did with the blood dragon armor...



Some of the pieces are nice to have sure, but they are in no way a necessity to play the game. I can understand some people like to collect virtual items, but this isn't pokemon you don't have to catch them all. It's just extra things to promote certain copies, retail digital or the facebook game.



I'm more upset that I can't get the Sebastian dlc (for free) because I was ambivalent about DA2 at the time.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's cut out the personal attacks, please.

[Tleining]

@ SkittlesKat96

no, the signature edition was only offered by some retailers. Same for the other pre-order items. You get them as long as the store participated.

[LoneFullmetal]

Abbbe wrote...

LoneFullmetal wrote...

It looks like 90% of everyones' arguments are null & void since we won't be getting DLC items in our inventory right at the start.

That sounds good. Can I get a source on that ?

http://social.biowar...ex/5920884&lf=8

[LoneFullmetal]

Morning808 wrote...

NErWOnek wrote...

@LoneFullmetal: Some of us will just get them with our game.

Wait what? He stated that you won't get the DLC from the start of the game. How did you comment come to be?

I don't know which one of your responses are more confusing, or how to respond.

[Lethys1]

Stanley Woo wrote...

SammyJB17 wrote...
Sorry Mr.Woo for having to deal with all these people getting stuff for free. I just wanna say thanks for the DLC and main game. When it comes to Dragon Age, I take what I can get.

I appreciate the sentiment, thank you. Whether you are a DLC person or strictly a main game person, I hope you enjoy Dragon Age II.

I appreciate your responding to my post from before, Stanley.  I am just tired overall with the video game industry; I don't have any real problem with BioWare for doing what they should.  If anything, this just a minor straw in a long line of straws that broke the camel's back.  If the whole industry is going to go to DLC sales based on market research and such, clearly you guys should go along with it.


I know I probably came off as harsh, and I apologize for that.  I'd say BioWare probably makes two of my top three favorite games of all time, DA and Mass Effect.  Hell, I've been buying BioWare since KOTOR for my Xbox.   I understand DLC from a business perspective and sometimes forget that it is, in fact, a business.


I am of the opinion that GTA IV shows expansions can be successful and make tons of cash, but we'll agree to disagree.  Since you are going to keep selling DLC and I'll probably keep buying it, please find a better way to label the DLC quests than "Premium Content."  It kills any sort of immersion for me in a big way.


I like the developers that respond to the forums, too, especially considering how crazy it can get out here.  I don't know what I'd do if I had to respond to the 1,000th "We Want A Gay Love Interest" thread.

[jedsithor]

I think some people are missing the point with the whole Sebastian thing. I keep reading that people chose whether or not to pre-order the Signature Edition before the cut off date. Well that's not always the case.



Not everybody has a credit card or shops online. Not everybody lives in the US where you can walk into Gamestop and pre-order in person and probably be entitled to the Signature Edition (there was no such promotion where I live incidentally).



Some people have no option but to wait for the game to come out, go into a store and pick it up. It's not always a choice. For those people, they have no option but to pay for the Sebastian content. You may say it's only $7. But it's not. It's $20 (or whatever it costs) to pick up some MS points in the store so you can go online and get that content. Suddenly, the person is coming out of the store having spent $80 instead of $60.



I'm sure someone will want to respond that the person in question will have 1400-odd points to spend on something else. That's true. But the point is, the person shouldn't have to lay down an extra $20 at the store just to get the content that others got for free because they have a credit card.



Again, to pre-empt inevitable responses,the person in question could indeed choose to just get the standard game and not bother with DLC. But are they getting the full experience then? I'm not talking about promotional weapons here, I'm talking about a fully-fledged character and with it, areas and quests that would not otherwise be available. You can complete the game without Sebastian but I would argue that the game you'd be completing isn't the full experience.



We're in a recession. Money is tight. A game like Dragon Age 2 is something of a luxury purchase that a person may want to treat themselves with during hard times if they've got a little bit of money put away. People who can't buy every triple A game when it comes out. They're expected to pay an extra $20 just for the option of using $7 of that to get Sebastian.



So I'd like to make a suggestion if I may. Actually I'd like to make 2 since I know Bioware will ignore the first one.



First suggestion: Make Sebastian freely available for those who purchase in store without having pre-ordered.



There's no way EA/Bioware is going to do that, so onto my second suggestion, something far more reasonable that will allow the developer and publisher to get that extra $7 for the content from those who didn't pre-order.



Second Suggestion: Release the Signature Edition in stores and add $7 to the price for that edition. This will at least allow those who only purchase in store without pre order the opportunity to pay the $7 you want them to pay without having to buy $20 worth of MS points just to get it. I think that's reasonable. It's still annoying to have to pay more but at least it's more cost effective for the consumer.

[Morning808]

LoneFullmetal wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

NErWOnek wrote...

@LoneFullmetal: Some of us will just get them with our game.

Wait what? He stated that you won't get the DLC from the start of the game. How did you comment come to be?

I don't know which one of your responses are more confusing, or how to respond.

I was taking your side as simple as that.

[Falls Edge]

jedsithor wrote...

I think some people are missing the point with the whole Sebastian thing. I keep reading that people chose whether or not to pre-order the Signature Edition before the cut off date. Well that's not always the case.

Not everybody has a credit card or shops online. Not everybody lives in the US where you can walk into Gamestop and pre-order in person and probably be entitled to the Signature Edition (there was no such promotion where I live incidentally).

Some people have no option but to wait for the game to come out, go into a store and pick it up. It's not always a choice. For those people, they have no option but to pay for the Sebastian content. You may say it's only $7. But it's not. It's $20 (or whatever it costs) to pick up some MS points in the store so you can go online and get that content. Suddenly, the person is coming out of the store having spent $80 instead of $60.

I'm sure someone will want to respond that the person in question will have 1400-odd points to spend on something else. That's true. But the point is, the person shouldn't have to lay down an extra $20 at the store just to get the content that others got for free because they have a credit card.

Again, to pre-empt inevitable responses,the person in question could indeed choose to just get the standard game and not bother with DLC. But are they getting the full experience then? I'm not talking about promotional weapons here, I'm talking about a fully-fledged character and with it, areas and quests that would not otherwise be available. You can complete the game without Sebastian but I would argue that the game you'd be completing isn't the full experience.

We're in a recession. Money is tight. A game like Dragon Age 2 is something of a luxury purchase that a person may want to treat themselves with during hard times if they've got a little bit of money put away. People who can't buy every triple A game when it comes out. They're expected to pay an extra $20 just for the option of using $7 of that to get Sebastian.

So I'd like to make a suggestion if I may. Actually I'd like to make 2 since I know Bioware will ignore the first one.

First suggestion: Make Sebastian freely available for those who purchase in store without having pre-ordered.

There's no way EA/Bioware is going to do that, so onto my second suggestion, something far more reasonable that will allow the developer and publisher to get that extra $7 for the content from those who didn't pre-order.

Second Suggestion: Release the Signature Edition in stores and add $7 to the price for that edition. This will at least allow those who only purchase in store without pre order the opportunity to pay the $7 you want them to pay without having to buy $20 worth of MS points just to get it. I think that's reasonable. It's still annoying to have to pay more but at least it's more cost effective for the consumer.

They're going to ignore both of those suggestions. 99.99 looks better then 100.00

[ForceXev]

AlanC9 wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

Bioware is a great company with a great reputation.  They make great games.  I don't think DLC shenanigans alone will destroy the company or make people stop buying their games.  But ever since Bioware was bought by EA, gamers are wary of the influence EA may have over Bioware.  SecuROM DRM on Mass Effect was the first bit of unpleasantness gamers had to deal with since Bioware and EA collided.  Now we have all of this bothersome pre-release DLC.  I think those two things may have reduced Bioware's shiny reputation a bit with some gamers.  If we continue to see more bad business from Bioware, their reputation may eventually get dragged down into the mud.

You see "gamers." I see a tiny minority of whiners -- we keep hearing in this thread that most players don't give a damn, and I agree with that. The difference is that I don't get upset with the majority for not giving a damn.

There's no way to know if it is only a minority of gamers who dislike the pre-order DLC, and I don't think it is appropriate to dismiss anyone who posts a complaint about it as a "whiner."  I do not complain often, and I am not a whiner.

The forums represent a very tiny percentage of gamers, and those of us who post on the forums probably read about games and game development on the web regularly.  So we would be more likely to understand Stanley's explanations about why pre-release DLC content is not content that was "removed" from the final game so they could use it for promotions and/or charge for that content later.  The wider audience of casual gamers who do not read the forums will have to make up their own minds about what they think of all the DLC without the benefit of Stanley's explanations.  How will they feel about it?  Again, there's no way to know for sure, but based on the threads we see here I believe a lot of people will perceive it very negatively.  Honestly, I don't know how anyone can look at that list of 20-some-odd promotional DLC items and not conclude that it is excessive.

I'm not sure what Bioware's motives are for using so much pre-release promotional DLC.  If the idea is to make customers happy by giving away "free stuff" when they pre-order, then I believe it may be backfiring.  Because the perception is "Bioware is forcing me to pre-order or else I will miss out on all this stuff" rather than "Bioware is giving me bonus stuff when I pre-order."