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[Realranger55]

Expansion packs used to be the way developers made new content after a game was released. Not piecemeal dlc. At least expansions were a large chunk of gameplay (for the most part). A lot of the dlc being talked about here is random weapons and items tacked on here and there that feels very cheap and are usually very transparent money grabs.

[marshalleck]

Realranger55 wrote...

 transparent money grabs.

free DLC is moneygrabbing in what way?

[Atakuma]

Modifié par Atakuma, 04 février 2011 - 04:21 .

[Urazz]

There's only one DLC and that's for the extra party member, Sebastion Vael. The rest are just minor things like items, weapons, armor, etc. The rest is stuff you can basically forget about. This stuff really isn't like ME2 weapons (where the weapons can be used at anytime with the same amount of usefulness for the most part) so some of it is only useful for only one part of the game.

[Falls Edge]

Marshellick doesn't understand how pre-orders work.

[Realranger55]

marshalleck wrote...

Realranger55 wrote...

 transparent money grabs.

free DLC is moneygrabbing in what way?

Free dlc obviously isn't, but a large chunk of the dlc attached to the DA series is.
Not to mention people will pay more for pre-orders and special additions with the promise of the "free" dlc. 
The free dlc will also be available for purchase for those who don't qualify for it.

Modifié par Realranger55, 04 février 2011 - 04:24 .

[marshalleck]

Falls Edge wrote...

Marshellick doesn't understand how pre-orders work.

I absolutely do. You pre-order the game. You go and pick up the game when it's available. There is a code for a sword or a shield or whatever that didn't cost you a penny more. What's difficult to understand about this, and how is Bioware "milking" anyone? 

[wulfsturm]

Realranger55 wrote...

Free dlc obviously isn't, but a large chunk of the dlc attached to the DA series is.

How dare a gaming company try to create and sell products to make money! How dare they!

*Grr grr shakefist, etc*

[Dendens]

Realranger55 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Realranger55 wrote...

 transparent money grabs.

free DLC is moneygrabbing in what way?

Free dlc obviously isn't, but a large chunk of the dlc attached to the DA series is.
Not to mention people will pay more for pre-orders and special additions with the promise of the "free" dlc. 
The free dlc will also be available for purchase for those who don't qualify for it.

I can't speak for everyone out there, but I spent alot less on my preordered SE then what I would have if Ipurchased a copy now, plus I get the free stuff.

yay.

[Atakuma]

DLC has a higher profit margin than an expansion pack, and the system that makes the most money always wins.

[Realranger55]

True, it's just not how they used to do it.

[Aoba]

Not particularly. I only pre-ordered the SE from Amazon and whatever it comes with is fine with me. I know some people like collecting DLC from this place, or that place, but dang, I can't afford to buy 10 DA2's just to get all the DLC. Gotta save that cash for my next move, anyhow. I hear I'll need the extra moola as the taxes in Wisconsin are quite a bit higher than Texas. So, uh, yeah...

*looks outside* Ooo, it's snowing. WHOOHOO. *runs off*

[Falls Edge]

The preorders are a promise that you'll pay for the game upon delivery.

WIKI: Pre-order incentive, also known as pre-order bonus, is a marketing tactic whereby a retailer or manufacturer/publisher of a product (usually a book or video game) encourages buyers to reserve a copy of the product at the store prior to its release.
Reasons for this vary, typically publishers wish to ensure strong
initial sales for a product, and the offered incentive is used to induce
shoppers (who might otherwise wait for positive reviews or a specific
shopping period like the holiday season) to commit to a purchase. Having
paid for part or all of the purchase when placing the order, these
consumers will usually complete the transaction shortly after the
product's release, often on its first day in stores. Individual stores
or retail chains
may also offer bonuses for a popularly anticipated product, to ensure
that the customer chooses to buy at that location, rather than from a
competitor.
The pre-order bonus may be as simple as a discount
on the item's purchase price or other related merchandise (another
marketing strategy), or may consist of an actual item or set of items.
These items may be related merchandise or exclusive items available only
through the pre-order program.

Edit: half of this is stupid, though I question that this wikipedia is wrong in anyway.

Modifié par Falls Edge, 04 février 2011 - 05:29 .

[otherarrow]

marshalleck wrote...

Realranger55 wrote...

 transparent money grabs.

free DLC is moneygrabbing in what way?

Well, I'm guessing what bugs people is that they have to pay for the game NOW and get free stuff, instead of buying the game later and having to pay for stuff!
It's an outrage really!

Don't worry whiners, I got your back:ph34r:

[Falls Edge]

Anyway, this is their idea of 'faith' that if it's a faulty product then tough luck.

Also this really is my WAHHHH SEBASTION ISN'T FREE FOR NOE WEASON poast.

If a developer would like to tell me why I have to pay for Sebastion, I'd appreciate that infact, I'd pay for him if the reason was good enough.

Modifié par Falls Edge, 04 février 2011 - 04:41 .

[Realranger55]

otherarrow wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Realranger55 wrote...

 transparent money grabs.

free DLC is moneygrabbing in what way?

Well, I'm guessing what bugs people is that they have to pay for the game NOW and get free stuff, instead of buying the game later and having to pay for stuff!
It's an outrage really!

Don't worry whiners, I got your back:ph34r:

No, it's more the fact that paying for the game once usually isn't enough anymore. I was talking more about dlc in general not the free preorder stuff. If you think that's whining thats fine by me. But the more we accept being sold piecemeal dlc, the more of it we are gonna get.

[Phoenixblight]

Falls Edge wrote...

I guess I'll go into this more deeply to make you understand why they're ripping you off.

The preorders are a promise that you'll pay for the game upon delivery.

WIKI: Pre-order incentive, also known as pre-order bonus, is a marketing tactic whereby a retailer or manufacturer/publisher of a product (usually a book or video game) encourages buyers to reserve a copy of the product at the store prior to its release.
Reasons for this vary, typically publishers wish to ensure strong
initial sales for a product, and the offered incentive is used to induce
shoppers (who might otherwise wait for positive reviews or a specific
shopping period like the holiday season) to commit to a purchase. Having
paid for part or all of the purchase when placing the order, these
consumers will usually complete the transaction shortly after the
product's release, often on its first day in stores. Individual stores
or retail chains
may also offer bonuses for a popularly anticipated product, to ensure
that the customer chooses to buy at that location, rather than from a
competitor.
The pre-order bonus may be as simple as a discount
on the item's purchase price or other related merchandise (another
marketing strategy), or may consist of an actual item or set of items.
These items may be related merchandise or exclusive items available only
through the pre-order program.

This means you cannot back out if you hear the game is glitched, if any disaster occurs you have to wait until the company recieves enough complaints to 'return' defective models, thus you can essentially, if something bad happens to your product be unable to return it, or have to pay for a warranty to make sure the product can be returned in the event of damage.

If the game plops, is incredibly glitchy, you fall down on your disc on the way home you're officially screwed.

It's a part of negotiation, you are taking a risk for no reason except the possible gamble of getting moar fwee stwuff. Stuff that they specifically designed so that you would preorder it, the dlc for sebastion however is different, he's already been designed he is close or near complete, and they're charging you for him because they can instead of any real reason.

Infact if you want to get into boring ol' history you can ask me about the Mass effect toggle glitch that bioware didn't fix for 3 months after release.

Uh No they are not I can just go to Amazon right now cancel and not have to pay for anything if I choose to do so.

Yeah thats the case if buy the game digital. But that's an entirely different topic. 


Oh wiki nice credible source <_<


Professors just died a little more. 

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 04 février 2011 - 04:42 .

[Leonia]

Atakuma wrote...

PeterBazooka wrote...

Pre-order DLC is one of the worst things to happen to video games.

I hate free stuff!

HOW DARE THEY GIVE ME STUFF FOR FREE!

[Stanley Woo]

Realranger55 wrote...
True, it's just not how they used to do it.

We also used to have to cut forever any content that was nearly ready, or just about ready for prime time but didn't meet quality standard. You know a lot of that DLC content you see? You wouldn't have seen it at all back then.

We also used ahve to wait 6-8 months for an expansion to be developed. nowadays, in 8 months, no one remembers who you were and no one's playing your game anymore. DLC could be considered tiny micro-expansions that come out more often, keeping people interested in your game.

You know what else we used to do? Handwrite letters and wait a few weeks if we wanted to talk to someone in another country. Or dial them up on a rotary phone. You'll note that's changed as well. I used to be able to buy shoes for $15, and we wore onions on our belts, because that was the style at the time.

Using "that's not how they used to do it" as a reason for disliking something is a little silly, and more than a little curmudgeonly. I should know. I'm a curmudgeon.

[Falls Edge]

The wiki argument died when professors started to go ocd in there.

If you'd like, I wouldn't mind maybe spouting other information sources so you can cross-reference it.

Modifié par Falls Edge, 04 février 2011 - 04:43 .

[Realranger55]

Yah, its labelled free. It really should be just part of the game. But then they couldn't justify selling it to people down the road. Newcomers and such who didn't have a chance to preorder.

[Falls Edge]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Realranger55 wrote...
True, it's just not how they used to do it.

We also used to have to cut forever any content that was nearly ready, or just about ready for prime time but didn't meet quality standard. You know a lot of that DLC content you see? You wouldn't have seen it at all back then.

We also used ahve to wait 6-8 months for an expansion to be developed. nowadays, in 8 months, no one remembers who you were and no one's playing your game anymore. DLC could be considered tiny micro-expansions that come out more often, keeping people interested in your game.

You know what else we used to do? Handwrite letters and wait a few weeks if we wanted to talk to someone in another country. Or dial them up on a rotary phone. You'll note that's changed as well. I used to be able to buy shoes for $15, and we wore onions on our belts, because that was the style at the time.

Using "that's not how they used to do it" as a reason for disliking something is a little silly, and more than a little curmudgeonly. I should know. I'm a curmudgeon.

Not the problem, Sebastions already been designed. No one is whining about the continous stream of dlc, just the dlc that's finished before the actual game comes out, I don't even care about the armor or weapons, or mirror.

[AlanC9]

Hey, be fair to Wikipedia. The quoted bit doesn't actually support the nonsense conclusion Falls Edge drew from it.

[Phoenixblight]

Falls Edge wrote...

The wiki argument died when professors started to go ocd in there.

If you'd like, I wouldn't mind maybe spouting other information sources so you can cross-reference it.

Your argument fails. No place in America charges you until it ships. And if you are buying th game digitally you are now locked into the purchase because they typically charge the instant you order it. If thats the case you want as much free stuff as possible the same goes for the preorder. There is no "locking down" your payment. 


Hows that tin foil hate working for you?

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 04 février 2011 - 04:49 .