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[Stanley Woo]

mr_luga wrote...
Err.. How about at one point you just.. Stop making **** and just say "The game is done" <.<; Sounds like you guys need to chill  

We did, and then you criticized us and wondered why we couldn't put that DLC content into the main game.

It's a bit unnvering you guys think you feel you need to toss so much fluff around to get people to buy your games, have some faith, you're bioware

As I just finished mentioning to another community member, competition is fierce in the videogames industry and "faith" is no longer enough. Just look at our forums and you'll see people questioning their "faith" whenever they hear something about Dragon Age II that they don't like. Even this thread is evidence that people don't have "faith" in the way we do things.

[Falls Edge]

If it helps any I never had any faith to begin with.

If you present facts or I know you, okay sure I'll side with you, but I don't so I need information to be proven wrong which I have.

Thank you

[Falls Edge]

BioTick wrote...

Falls Edge wrote...

Edit: Also, I am pissed off that I don't get as much stuff as people who pre-order simply because I don't want to spend that much until I'm sure that it's actually a good game, you can't preorder after a game is released to my knowledge, though I might be wrong about that.

Dude. This is BioWare we're talking about here.

Knights of the Old Republic?   Metacritic score: 93%
Jade Empire?   Metacritic score: 89%
Mass Effect?   Metacritic score: 91%
Mass Effect 2?   Metacritic score: 96%
Dragon Age Origins?   Metacritic score: 91%

You notice a a pattern emerging here? You see some sort of general trend shaping up?
This isn't about faith. It's just common sense.
This isn't a gamble. It's an investment.

And I'm sorry you didn't pre-order before January 11th too.

I've played all of those games, but I never pre-ordered any of them, I was never punished for it until this one.

Edit: Jade empire is debatable I kind of regretted that one.

I'm also still marginally upset though not as much as I used to be, I'm still losing out on sebastion because I didn't pre-order when I would've gotten him for free if I had, it went from little goodies to rather large goodies this time.

Modifié par Falls Edge, 04 février 2011 - 05:58 .

[AlanC9]

mr_luga wrote...
Err.. How about at one point you just.. Stop making **** and just say "The game is done" <.<; Sounds like you guys need to chill  

Do they need to chill before or chill after they finish the DLC incentive items?

[Merced652]

no one plays your game after 8 months? Didn't know you had such pride in your work stan, good to know.

[Miri1984]

Can I just say, I love DLC? I adored Origins more than any other videogame I've ever purchased, and having a constant stream of DLC over the past year made life even more fun for me. I did, however, also adore Awakenings. I hope DLC does not push bigger expansions into the graveyard.

[BioTick]

Falls Edge wrote...

I've played all of those games, but I never pre-ordered any of them, I was never punished for it until this one.

Edit: Jade empire is debatable I kind of regretted that one.

Granted, with the possible exception of Cerberus Network, nothing of the scope of The Exiled Prince was ever made into a pre-order incentive.

Also: You're insane!  Jade Empire was absolutely brilliant!!! Can't wait for BioWare to announce a sequel!

[Kileyan]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Kileyan wrote...
I mostly wanted to respond to your comment about no one even knows who you are if you don't release DLC constantly. I find that hard to believe. Although only anecdotal, I don't know a single gamer that wouldn't rather have a hefty well thought out expansion, over the 20 minute DLC stuff, that often takes more time to download and aunthenticate than is does to play.

Don't discount my input because I criticize, but I think you are really wrong, I think people would freak out over an old school lenghty expansion and be fine without DLC.

I would never discount an opinion that merely disagrees with me, if that opinion is well presented, which yours is. I would counter with the sheer popularity of games today and just how many games are available for purchase between three giant consoles, a few different mobile markets, a couple of handhelds, online casual, social network games, platforms like Steam, GOG, and other digital distribution platforms. In 6 months without any content being released, even MMOs get a little stale.

Sure, some people prefer the less frequent, big expansion content model, but I'm not sure that's really an option anymore with the state of the industry as it is. there's a reason old-school is "old": because things have changed rather significantly over the last 10 years. Digital communication and storage has grown exponentially, and so has broadband internet in the home and console connectivity. In order to hold that audience, you need something to keep them interested in your game. For the most part, that something is frequent DLC, in my opinion.

I can't really argue with you from a fair playing field. For one, I am coming at this from a pc perspective, and you do have to take in account consoles and which really do have a different customer base and expectations. I'll concede that your data and intuitions are correct for now.

From a long time gamer and follower of gaming trends, I'm seeing a bit of customer burn out on DLC, perhaps a fad, not the future of gaming. Broadband and instant downloads are the future, but I am not sure mini downloads are the future. An extra map for a shooter is cool, you can play that map over and over for hours or months. But an extra 20 minutes with an rpg is just that, 20 minutes. I still think bigger hefty old school expansion are not dead, they are preferred. Does that make sense?


Either way, love you guys, and your game is still a for sure purchase, your participation in discussion even when you shoot us down shows me you still look at want your customers want, even if you don't agree with every customer.

Modifié par Kileyan, 04 février 2011 - 06:10 .

[Falls Edge]

BioTick wrote...

Falls Edge wrote...

I've played all of those games, but I never pre-ordered any of them, I was never punished for it until this one.

Edit: Jade empire is debatable I kind of regretted that one.

Granted, with the possible exception of Cerberus Network, nothing of the scope of The Exiled Prince was ever made into a pre-order incentive.

Also: You're insane!  Jade Empire was absolutely brilliant!!! Can't wait for BioWare to announce a sequel!

I got the Cerberus Network without having to pre-order, maybe it was a mistake? Lucky me I guess.

[MingWolf]

Not quite overwhelmed with DLCs, usually they are a small price to pay and can add value just so long as they are good quality. Just as long as its not some overpowered items with a price tag attached to them, which I know happened quite a bit with DAO dlcs, then I'm fine. Hope to see stuff akin to the great epicness and scope like Overlord and Lotsb in ME2 though ^^.

[AlanC9]

Maybe, Kileyan... but Bio knows exactly how well the DLCs are selling, so there's no point talking about that aspect of things. If things burn out then the later DLCs won't sell.

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 février 2011 - 06:24 .

[Seifz]

If the game is finalized so long before release and if it is tested so thoroughly, how is it that every game you release has major bugs that are easily detectable and repeatable? For example, the bugged endings in DA:O.



I'm not trying to be an ass here and I understand that it's not possible to test everything with a reasonably-sized QA team, but these games tend to have major bugs that should have been caught in the first phase of testing! Bah!



Anyway, I prefer full expansion packs to DLC. Awakening was $30-40 and provided far, far more content than all of the DLC combined. If you're going to insist on this micro-transaction nonsense and try to spin it so that it appears to be better for the player, the least you can do is price it fairly.

[Realranger55]

Ziggeh wrote...

Warhammer Online endless trial promotion, WHY DO YOU TAUNT ME SO.

Right, I don't play mmo's or other games like that for the same reason. I play video games to get lost in a story and virtual world. An npc reminding me it's time to bust out my credit card pretty much kills it for me. 

[Gabey5]

im sick of all this dlc, include it in the game or include in one big bundle, all this separate orders, pre orders, downloads is pointless

[Miri1984]

I find it a bit bemusing that people were whining about the cost of DLC. It was remarkably cheap IMO. I mean - I got at least three hours of gameplay out of Golems and I've spent more money on petrol to go to the zoo for that long than I paid for that DLC.

[namedforthemoon]

Hey, Stan... Does your brain hurt, yet?

[ReservoirKitty]

Dang, it's baffling what people will choose to complain about around here.



"I HATE FREE DLC! I HATE PAID DLC!"



So much RAEG I'm surprised that the Bioware guys and gals still bother to post around these parts. :/ If there wasn't DLC, I'm sure people would be sharpening the pitchforks about that too.



/shakes head, goes back to lurk-mode

[MyKingdomCold]

I don't have a problem with DLC. But I do have a problem when here's DLC consumers have to pay for and we find out it was on the disc. The company just decided to remove certain content or lock it only to release it as DLC consumers have to pay for.



I'm not saying Bioware games are like this, but Capcom did this with Resident Evil 5. So I think some people may be skeptical about DLC and wonder whether or not it was on the disc.

[Dr_Los]

I'd just like to thank Mr. Woo for coming in here and clearing up some of the questions and misconceptions about how Day 1 DLC works.  Prior to this, I certainly grumbled about paying extra for content that was ready at launch and arbitrarily omitted from the core game.  Now I understand that having it done by launch date doesn't necessarily mean having it done by disk-locking date, and the ommission isn't really as "arbitrary" as I once thought it was.

Never been a fan of DLC myself (I'm more a classic expansion guy), so unfortunately, I'm not picking up Sebastian.  But on the other hand, I'm on a Mac; by the time a Mac version comes out, maybe we'll have another Ultimate Edition I can grab. 

Modifié par Dr_Los, 04 février 2011 - 07:02 .

[elfdwarf]

i enjoy dlc

i can't wait to meet exile prince and mabari

i hope he find me another staff.

[shumworld]

As far as the free dlc is concerned. I find entertainment from doing out of the core-game task to obtain the free dlc. like subscribe to a news letter or play a facebook game and now we can acquire something just for playing the game's demo.

[McHoger]

Merced652 wrote...

no one plays your game after 8 months? Didn't know you had such pride in your work stan, good to know.

In all fairness, there's a lot of big stuff coming out 8 months after DA2 release. Including Bioware's other game.

[pumpkinman13]

Stanley Woo wrote...

mr_luga wrote...
I have a hard time beliving you coudnt fit a sword or something like that months before the game comes out -.-

Okay, smart guy. Let's play it your way. So we put those items into the game. now we need some small DLC items that can be easily made up and designed and tested for DLC incentives, so we do that. And... people ask why aren't those items in the base game, since they're so small.

Okay, le'ts play it their way. So we put those items into the game. Now we need some new small DLC items that can be easily made up and designed and tested for DLC incentives so we do that. And... people ask why aren't those items in the base game, since they're so small.

Okay, le'ts play it their way. So we put those items into the
game. Now we need some new small DLC items that can be easily made up and
designed and tested for DLC incentives so we do that. And... people ask why aren't those items in the base game, since they're so small. So you see a pattern here yet?

Okay, le'ts play it their way. So we put those items into the
game. Now we need some new small DLC items that can be easily made up and
designed and tested for DLC incentives so we do that. And... people ask
why aren't those items in the base game, since they're so small. Somewhere along the way, you'll have to accept that some of our work will have to go towards these little tiny DLC incentives.

Stanley Woo: Virtual ****slap extraordinaire hehe.

Perhaps slightly missing the mark in terms of OP question... but for me there's an element of full-completionism 
to this. I want to try and garner ALL the day one DLC because i like to try and 101% complete the game first time round. Which means yes, i shall be buying Dead Space 2... haven't completed 1 yet -_____-... and not immediately cus ive got a dissertation to work on. DAMN YOU DRAGON AGE why did you have to come out on March 11th, and my diss is in on May 5th. It's going to be DIFFICULT to not play it for that length of time... having said that it's on games as new literature so i might be able to justify a few hours or two...

[Seifz]

ReservoirKitty wrote...

Dang, it's baffling what people will choose to complain about around here.

"I HATE FREE DLC! I HATE PAID DLC!"

So much RAEG I'm surprised that the Bioware guys and gals still bother to post around these parts. :/ If there wasn't DLC, I'm sure people would be sharpening the pitchforks about that too.

/shakes head, goes back to lurk-mode

Nah, that's just silly.  Very few people complain about free DLC and I don't think you'd see so many complaints about the paid DLC if they actually priced it fairly and delivered good content.  ME2 has some DLC that was worth the cost, but DA:O largely didn't.

Anyway, the cost of a full game has gone up significantly and the value of a full game has dropped just as drastically.  Consider something like NWN.  The initial game was $50 and each of the two expansions was $30 for a total of $110.  In addition to that, we got years of patches, support, and free extras (tilesets, feats, monsters, items, etc.).  Contrast this with DA:O, which cost $50 + $40 for the expansion + $36 for major DLC (assuming that you got Shale for free), putting the total cost at $126 for less content, and we got a very small number of buggy, incomplete patches and no free stuff at all.  Further, the game wasn't supported for two years as promised.  Finally, the price of the game dropped significantly very shortly after release and well before the usual time.  Hell, one year after the initial release you could get the game, the expansion, and all DLC for less than the cost of the original game. 

It's absurdity.

EDIT:  Actually, it's even worse than that.  You don't own any of the DLC.  When you bought NWN and the expansion packs, you owned those games.  You could play them whenever, wherever.  With the DLC, you don't have that luxury.  It seems to be getting even worse with the DA2 DRM.

Modifié par Seifz, 04 février 2011 - 07:22 .