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[Zulu_DFA]

Lapis Lazuli wrote...

Kaldarm wrote...

Um, it was the Collector's dude - I thought the game made it pretty clear but if you've only just started your first playthrough then I can understand the question

I was expecting to see that in the canon wiki articles, but they insist on still saying 'unknown enemy'.

They are idiots.

[Asheer_Khan]

Question.



-Why tim was so freaky concerned about Shepard's safety if s/he have in schedule nothing more as anti Geth patrol in the sector.



-Since when Geth poses any threat for Normandy and her crew?



-Did tim known what "surprise" is waiting for Normandy near Alhera if he in matter of fact set on Red Alert Lazarus cell "...see that we don't loose her/him"?

[Silmane]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Question.

-Why tim was so freaky concerned about Shepard's safety if s/he have in schedule nothing more as anti Geth patrol in the sector.

-Since when Geth poses any threat for Normandy and her crew?

-Did tim known what "surprise" is waiting for Normandy near Alhera if he in matter of fact set on Red Alert Lazarus cell "...see that we don't loose her/him"?

-TIM knew Shepard was the only way to get what he wants done.

-After destroying Soveriegn, I assume the Normandy crew didn't really have much else to do at the time. 

-Wouldn't be the first time TIM put Shepard in a trap involving the Collectors now would it? 

[Pro_Consul]

Silmane wrote...

-TIM knew Shepard was the only way to get what he wants done.

-After destroying Soveriegn, I assume the Normandy crew didn't really have much else to do at the time. 

-Wouldn't be the first time TIM put Shepard in a trap involving the Collectors now would it?

The Normandy was mopping up pathetic little geth outposts because that is all the Council would permit Shepard to do. They didn't want him drawing any attention to his claims about the Reapers while they were busily trying to convince themselves and the galaxy that Reapers do not exist.

As for your last statement, I suspect you meant to say "last time", not "first time"..since in fact if true then it WAS the first time. 

Seriously, though, considering that TIM just said how imperative it was that Shepard not be lost, I cannot see him immediately arranging for Shep to be placed square in the aiming reticule of the Collectors. It seems most likely that the Collectors were interested in Shep for the same reason TIM is, i.e. he is the only living person known to have defeated a Reaper. And as was said during the intro dialogue between Pressly and Joker, several ships had gone missing there recently which is why the Normandy was investigating. It sounds like the Collectors had been operating there for the sole purpose of luring Shep and the Normandy into that ambush.

Modifié par Pro_Consul, 05 février 2011 - 01:08 .

[Silmane]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Silmane wrote...

-TIM knew Shepard was the only way to get what he wants done.

-After destroying Soveriegn, I assume the Normandy crew didn't really have much else to do at the time. 

-Wouldn't be the first time TIM put Shepard in a trap involving the Collectors now would it?

The Normandy was mopping up pathetic little geth outposts because that is all the Council would permit Shepard to do. They didn't want him drawing any attention to his claims about the Reapers while they were busily trying to convince themselves and the galaxy that Reapers do not exist.

As for your last statement, I suspect you meant to say "last time", not "first time"..since in fact if true then it WAS the first time. 

Seriously, though, considering that TIM just said how imperative it was that Shepard not be lost, I cannot see him immediately arranging for Shep to be placed square in the aiming reticule of the Collectors. It seems most likely that the Collectors were interested in Shep for the same reason TIM is, i.e. he is the only living person known to have defeated a Reaper. And as was said during the intro dialogue between Pressly and Joker, several ships had gone missing there recently which is why the Normandy was investigating. It sounds like the Collectors had been operating there for the sole purpose of luring Shep and the Normandy into that ambush.

Yea, I meant last. 

[MrDizazta]

the dude is clearly trolling guys

[James2912]

I don't know about trolling but the op has the comprehension skills of a three year old.

[MSparkyPants]

... I like this thread. C:

[TheScientist]

Technically you could say the reapers destroyed the sr1 because they were micromanaging the collector operations via mind control.

[James2912]

I didn't know Santa Claus likes Mass Effect! I can tell its you from your profile pic "thescientist"!

[Prince of Kemet]

My question is why didn't the Collectors simply board the SR1 like they did the SR2? Also, was there any particular individual or organization that gave the Collectors Shepard's general location? I for one refuse to believe that they simply lucked up and found the SR1's location without SOME assistance.....let us NOT forget the conversation between T.I.M. and Miranda PRIOR to the attack. Here's another question for thought...why wasn't ANY of the SR1 crew taken by the Collectors? I think that the attack was orchestrated in order to destroy the Normandy ONLY. Think about it, if the Normandy is destroyed Shepard has no ship and his alien crew is broken up. Knowing that Shepard would want to continue fighting (had he/she not been killed), he/she would probably have to make allegiances with individuals/organizations that he/she wouldn't normally give the time of day to. The fact that Shep died was an unfortunate circumstance. Also remember T.I.M. saying that he would do ANYTHING to keep humanity safe. I know that this is a lot of speculation but the Collectors finding the SR1 randomly is bull$**!

Modifié par Prince of Kemet, 05 février 2011 - 01:00 .

[Lapis Lazuli]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

My question is why didn't the Collectors simply board the SR1 like they did the SR2? Also, was there any particular individual or organization that gave the Collectors Shepard's general location? I for one refuse to believe that they simply lucked up and found the SR1's location without SOME assistance.....let us NOT forget the conversation between T.I.M. and Miranda PRIOR to the attack. Here's another question for thought...why wasn't ANY of the SR1 crew taken by the Collectors? I think that the attack was orchestrated in order to destroy the Normandy ONLY. Think about it, if the Normandy is destroyed Shepard has no ship and his alien crew is broken up. Knowing that Shepard would want to continue fighting (had he/she not been killed), he/she would probably have to make allegiances with individuals/organizations that he/she wouldn't normally give the time of day to. The fact that Shep died was an unfortunate circumstance. Also remember T.I.M. saying that he would do ANYTHING to keep humanity safe. I know that this is a lot of speculation but the Collectors finding the SR1 randomly is bull$**!

I think you've nailed it. When I OP'd this, TIM was in the back of my mind...

In fact, I think the canon wiki's insistance on 'unknown enemy' may not be an avoidance of a spoiler--it may be a spoiler...

Modifié par Lapis Lazuli, 05 février 2011 - 04:40 .

[AkiKishi]

Lapis Lazuli wrote...

Prince of Kemet wrote...

My question is why didn't the Collectors simply board the SR1 like they did the SR2? Also, was there any particular individual or organization that gave the Collectors Shepard's general location? I for one refuse to believe that they simply lucked up and found the SR1's location without SOME assistance.....let us NOT forget the conversation between T.I.M. and Miranda PRIOR to the attack. Here's another question for thought...why wasn't ANY of the SR1 crew taken by the Collectors? I think that the attack was orchestrated in order to destroy the Normandy ONLY. Think about it, if the Normandy is destroyed Shepard has no ship and his alien crew is broken up. Knowing that Shepard would want to continue fighting (had he/she not been killed), he/she would probably have to make allegiances with individuals/organizations that he/she wouldn't normally give the time of day to. The fact that Shep died was an unfortunate circumstance. Also remember T.I.M. saying that he would do ANYTHING to keep humanity safe. I know that this is a lot of speculation but the Collectors finding the SR1 randomly is bull$**!

I think you've nailed it. When I OP'd this, TIM was in the back of my mind...

In fact, I think the canon wiki's insistance on 'unknown enemy' may not be an avoidance of a spoiler--it may be a spoiler...

Heck of a risk to take because 9 times out 10 you would just be vapourised if you did not escape. The whole conspiracy hinges on being guarenteed you leave a useable corpse.

Collectors have advanced technology it may just be that Normandy's cloak was not made to counter it. Collectors have a lot of contacts with mercs/slavers it would not be that hard to find out which system Normandy was in.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 05 février 2011 - 04:50 .

[Prince of Kemet]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lapis Lazuli wrote...

Prince of Kemet wrote...

My question is why didn't the Collectors simply board the SR1 like they did the SR2? Also, was there any particular individual or organization that gave the Collectors Shepard's general location? I for one refuse to believe that they simply lucked up and found the SR1's location without SOME assistance.....let us NOT forget the conversation between T.I.M. and Miranda PRIOR to the attack. Here's another question for thought...why wasn't ANY of the SR1 crew taken by the Collectors? I think that the attack was orchestrated in order to destroy the Normandy ONLY. Think about it, if the Normandy is destroyed Shepard has no ship and his alien crew is broken up. Knowing that Shepard would want to continue fighting (had he/she not been killed), he/she would probably have to make allegiances with individuals/organizations that he/she wouldn't normally give the time of day to. The fact that Shep died was an unfortunate circumstance. Also remember T.I.M. saying that he would do ANYTHING to keep humanity safe. I know that this is a lot of speculation but the Collectors finding the SR1 randomly is bull$**!

I think you've nailed it. When I OP'd this, TIM was in the back of my mind...

In fact, I think the canon wiki's insistance on 'unknown enemy' may not be an avoidance of a spoiler--it may be a spoiler...

Heck of a risk to take because 9 times out 10 you would just be vapourised if you did not escape. The whole conspiracy hinges on being guarenteed you leave a useable corpse.

Collectors have advanced technology it may just be that Normandy's cloak was not made to counter it. Collectors have a lot of contacts with mercs/slavers it would not be that hard to find out which system Normandy was in.

Remember the disabled Collector vessel and T.I.M.'s......"Calculated risk." The entire event was orchestrated to make Shepard a "Free Agent" for lack of a better term. Here's more food for thought.....Why didn't Admiral Hackett try to contact Shepard after finding out that he/she was alive?  Anderson did, as well as many others....what, was Hackett's computer broken or something...hmmm??? Are T.I.M. and Hackett in league with each other? When you understand rituals and the occult (Yes, I have knowledge of such things).....you can clearly see the the attack on the SR1 was Hackett handing over Shepard to T.I.M. through a ritual. If you played as a renegade in ME1 you should realize that Hackett himself is a renegade. Remember the Lord Darius mission? Hackett doesn't ask to go see him unless you are a renegade yourself.....and we all know that Hackett wanted you to kill him. Here's my last question of the day. Is Admiral Hackett Miranda's father? You'll recall her saying that her father was very powerful...hmmmm?

[AkiKishi]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Remember the disabled Collector vessel and T.I.M.'s......"Calculated risk." The entire event was orchestrated to make Shepard a "Free Agent" for lack of a better term. Here's more food for thought.....Why didn't Admiral Hackett try to contact Shepard after finding out that he/she was alive?  Anderson did, as well as many others....what, was Hackett's computer broken or something...hmmm??? Are T.I.M. and Hackett in league with each other? When you understand rituals and the occult (Yes, I have knowledge of such things).....you can clearly see the the attack on the SR1 was Hackett handing over Shepard to T.I.M. through a ritual. If you played as a renegade in ME1 you should realize that Hackett himself is a renegade. Remember the Lord Darius mission? Hackett doesn't ask to go see him unless you are a renegade yourself.....and we all know that Hackett wanted you to kill him. Here's my last question of the day. Is Admiral Hackett Miranda's father? You'll recall her saying that her father was very powerful...hmmmm?

It's too much a gamble there are easier ways if you just wanted an intact dead Shepard. I doubt Hackett is Mirandas father , the way she talks he's someone who is extremely rich and powerful. An Admiral still answers to Alliance command.

[Konfined]

I thought it was made pretty clear throughout both games that all the technology currently being used in the galaxy is based off of the Reapers; human technology in particular since our 200 year technological jump in the galaxy is solely due to our discovery of the Prothean ruins. If that being the case, it's not hard to see how the Collectors were able to track and detect the Normandy through its stealth systems; because its systems were engineered from Reaper tech.

[Pro_Consul]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

My question is why didn't the Collectors simply board the SR1 like they did the SR2?

I think you may be asking the wrong question. Ask instead: why did they board the SR2 instead of just blowing it away? And the answer is: because they knew from the locator signal that it had a Reaper IFF aboard and they wanted to get it back out of enemy hands and investigate how it had gotten there in the first place. If not for that one little thing, the IFF, I suspect the Collectors would simply have blown the SR2 away just like they did the SR1.

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Also, was there any particular individual or organization that gave the Collectors Shepard's general location? I for one refuse to believe that they simply lucked up and found the SR1's location without SOME assistance...

What makes you think they found the SR1 at all? As I posted earlier, Pressly and Joker were talking right before the attack about how several ships had disappeared in that system very recently. Joker thought it might have been Geth action; Pressly bet on slavers. Turned out it was Collectors trying to lure Normandy into investigating this system so that they could ambush it and blow it away. The Collectors did not intercept the Normandy there; they were waiting for her to take the bait. You don't need the assistance of an informant to tell how to find your prey when you have a perfectly effective means of bringing your prey to you, after all.

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Here's another question for thought...why wasn't ANY of the SR1 crew taken by the Collectors? I think that the attack was orchestrated in order to destroy the Normandy ONLY.

Again, wrong question I think, just as above. The better question is why did they take the SR2 crew? The answer: to get them off the ship so that they could investigate how/why it had come to have a Reaper IFF on it. Since they had to remove them from the ship anyway, in order to investigate properly, might as well feed them to the Reaper-izer while they were at it, though, right? The SR1 encounter was a simply bait and shoot trap intended to destroy a proven enemy before (s)he had any time to do further damage to their plans. The SR2 encounter was a "Holy crap, how did they get THAT?!" kind of affair sparked by the Reaper IFF announcing itself to be in enemy hands.

Modifié par Pro_Consul, 05 février 2011 - 06:35 .

[Prince of Kemet]

See, this is what I like...logical, intelligent replies, not noobs trolling. Lapis,Bob, Konfined and Pro...I applaud you all for posting great responses. They all make plenty of sense BUT...I still smell a rat though. Hopefully we will all find out in the coming months.

[Capeo]

I thought it was clear the Collectors had laid a trap by making ships disappear and were lying in wait for Shepard. What doesn't make sense, and it's really just a plot hole used to reset Shepard for character creation, is why they destroyed the Normandy would they clearly could have boarded it like the do later in the game. The Reapers wanted Shepard. They didn't want him/her vaporized. Of course, that would have skipped a whole bunch of the game so they just left that hanging there with little explanation.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Answer to who destroyed is rather obvious - Collector cruiser.

General question is - how this entire interception and later on destruction was possible since Normandy was running in stealth mode when attack started?

I think the only logical explanation is that somehow a tracking device got on board the Normandy. It definitely seemed like the Collector ship was hunting the Normandy, rather than a random encounter.

[meh_cd]

I still miss the SR-1. Only a few doors, and one painfully long elevator. More like a submarine, too. Now we have a frigate/cruiser hybrid with a skeleton crew and an AI. Don't get me wrong, I like the SR-2 and EDI, but hopefully the ship changes a bit in ME3.

[AkiKishi]

I think EDI will get an artifical body so she can pursue Jeff
She will be just like Lexa Doig in Andromeda.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 05 février 2011 - 07:49 .

[Kaldarm]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I think EDI will get an artifical body so she can pursue Jeff
She will be just like Lexa Doig in Andromeda.

 Now that would great, something like Avina but mobile

[meh_cd]

If they do go that route, it better look like Tricia Helfer. I want Six on the Normandy telling me what to do.

[Dionkey]

I think TIM has more conspiracy theories than 9/11