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[Village_Idiot]

It was not my intention to victimise. If it came across that way I apologise.



I am simply stating that whilst I agree with you on the count that outfits should reflect upon a character's personality, there is a time and a place for it. In a combat situation, they should be wearing something suitable.

[JG The Gamer]

I will admit I am converted. I do prefer armour for my teammates. But however, they to balance the mandatory need for armour with the individualization of each character. Environmentally sealed headgear is also mandatory.

Thane is a good example of a need for balance. He's an assassin with a serious breathing problem. Hence he requires maximum speed and mobility. But at the same time, his breathing cannot be restricted. If he could have something environmentally sealed, yet not restricting to his movements, he will be set for ME3.

Tali's suit is already environmentally sealed so she's fine. I don't even think she wore armour in ME1. That said, I'd be worried if she got shot. Hence light armour improves her odds.

Miranda's armour is great. Perfect with a helmet or something environmentally sealed. And you can still see her funny bumps as well, so she still retains her feminity. I just doubt it's something to do deskwork in.

Samara will be a real challenge to individualize. If you simply slap armour on her, she becomes another asari in armour and loses that justicar look about herself. So BioWare needs to come up with a way that Samara retains her justicar aura yet is safe in hostile environments/vacuum.

Legion is fine.

Grunt... well if his krogan arms can deal with vacuum and hostile environments, he's fine. I actually like the way his armour looks compared with the other krogan.

Jacob could use something thicker as well. Sure he's jacked, but being jacked only does so much. Especially since he's a soldier too. Biotic protection only goes so far. I'm sure he'll be well individualized.

If Mordin got a salarian helmet he'd be perfect.

Kasumi is in a similar boat to Thane. I wouldn't want bulky armour restricting her speed and stealth. But if she can be environmentally protected from vacuum and such, she's good.

Jack... good luck telling her anything. Light space suit again could suffice.

Garrus is fine.

Zaeed could use headgear definitely. I'm not sure if his armour is environmentally suited.

[Ieldra]

Val Seleznyov wrote...
The white outfit gives off a very clinical vibe to me, which the hexagonal pattern accentuates.

It does in this picture:


Here it has style. However, the version we get in the game conveys a very different impression. The difference is that this version, while it is as close-fitting as the in-game version, doesn't follow the contours of Miranda's body in as much detail as the in-game version - see how it looks on her chest. The result is that this version does not make her look like she's flaunting her assets and the in-game version does.

And both versions are inappropriate for open combat. 

My sense of style puts me in the upper-most income tax bracket, so
forgive me if i don't bow to your opinions on taste.

Yeah, and everyone knows about the impeccable sense of style of Russia's newly rich.

[Ieldra]

JG The Gamer wrote...
I will admit I am converted. I do prefer armour for my teammates. But however, they to balance the mandatory need for armour with the individualization of each character. Environmentally sealed headgear is also mandatory.

Thane is a good example of a need for balance. He's an assassin with a serious breathing problem. Hence he requires maximum speed and mobility. But at the same time, his breathing cannot be restricted. If he could have something environmentally sealed, yet not restricting to his movements, he will be set for ME3.

Tali's suit is already environmentally sealed so she's fine. I don't even think she wore armour in ME1. That said, I'd be worried if she got shot. Hence light armour improves her odds.

Miranda's armour is great. Perfect with a helmet or something environmentally sealed. And you can still see her funny bumps as well, so she still retains her feminity. I just doubt it's something to do deskwork in.

Samara will be a real challenge to individualize. If you simply slap armour on her, she becomes another asari in armour and loses that justicar look about herself. So BioWare needs to come up with a way that Samara retains her justicar aura yet is safe in hostile environments/vacuum.

Legion is fine.

Grunt... well if his krogan arms can deal with vacuum and hostile environments, he's fine. I actually like the way his armour looks compared with the other krogan.

Jacob could use something thicker as well. Sure he's jacked, but being jacked only does so much. Especially since he's a soldier too. Biotic protection only goes so far. I'm sure he'll be well individualized.

If Mordin got a salarian helmet he'd be perfect.

Kasumi is in a similar boat to Thane. I wouldn't want bulky armour restricting her speed and stealth. But if she can be environmentally protected from vacuum and such, she's good.

Jack... good luck telling her anything. Light space suit again could suffice.

Garrus is fine.

Zaeed could use headgear definitely. I'm not sure if his armour is environmentally suited.

Well - Garrus could use a helmet in space. Otherwise he's fine and I agree with your suggestions for the rest of the team. As for Miranda, of course I'll always change her outfit when I come back from a mission. The game should really do that automatically, but I can live with having to do it myself.

Edit:
Someone elsewhere just said Garrus has a helmet. Err..I rarely use him but I don't recall. Has he one?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 février 2011 - 07:13 .

[Val Seleznyov]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah, and everyone knows about the impeccable sense of style of Russia's newly rich.

Racism. Nice.

My my, aren't you pleasant.

Modifié par Val Seleznyov, 06 février 2011 - 07:19 .

[JG The Gamer]

Ieldra2 wrote...

JG The Gamer wrote...
I will admit I am converted. I do prefer armour for my teammates. But however, they to balance the mandatory need for armour with the individualization of each character. Environmentally sealed headgear is also mandatory.

Thane is a good example of a need for balance. He's an assassin with a serious breathing problem. Hence he requires maximum speed and mobility. But at the same time, his breathing cannot be restricted. If he could have something environmentally sealed, yet not restricting to his movements, he will be set for ME3.

Tali's suit is already environmentally sealed so she's fine. I don't even think she wore armour in ME1. That said, I'd be worried if she got shot. Hence light armour improves her odds.

Miranda's armour is great. Perfect with a helmet or something environmentally sealed. And you can still see her funny bumps as well, so she still retains her feminity. I just doubt it's something to do deskwork in.

Samara will be a real challenge to individualize. If you simply slap armour on her, she becomes another asari in armour and loses that justicar look about herself. So BioWare needs to come up with a way that Samara retains her justicar aura yet is safe in hostile environments/vacuum.

Legion is fine.

Grunt... well if his krogan arms can deal with vacuum and hostile environments, he's fine. I actually like the way his armour looks compared with the other krogan.

Jacob could use something thicker as well. Sure he's jacked, but being jacked only does so much. Especially since he's a soldier too. Biotic protection only goes so far. I'm sure he'll be well individualized.

If Mordin got a salarian helmet he'd be perfect.

Kasumi is in a similar boat to Thane. I wouldn't want bulky armour restricting her speed and stealth. But if she can be environmentally protected from vacuum and such, she's good.

Jack... good luck telling her anything. Light space suit again could suffice.

Garrus is fine.

Zaeed could use headgear definitely. I'm not sure if his armour is environmentally suited.

Well - Garrus could use a helmet in space. Otherwise he's fine and I agree with your suggestions for the rest of the team. As for Miranda, of course I'll always change her outfit when I come back from a mission. The game should really do that automatically, but I can live with having to do it myself.

Garrus does have a helmet when you go into hostile environments, hence why I said he's fine. Sorry if you misunderstood.

Modifié par JG The Gamer, 06 février 2011 - 07:12 .

[Ieldra]

It was actually wrong information. Garrus isn't my favorite and I haven't seen him on space missions, if you can believe that. Sorry.

[Xilizhra]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah, and everyone knows about the impeccable sense of style of Russia's newly rich.

Racism. Nice.

My my, aren't you pleasant.

Clearly this has gone too far. Can we not just acknowledge each others' differences of opinion and back away from this argument?

[JG The Gamer]

No worries at all. He uses the same helmet when you recruit him.

[Val Seleznyov]

Xilizhra wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah, and everyone knows about the impeccable sense of style of Russia's newly rich.

Racism. Nice.

My my, aren't you pleasant.

Clearly this has gone too far. Can we not just acknowledge each others' differences of opinion and back away from this argument?

Don't worry. I have precisely no interest in conversing with him after that comment.

[Xilizhra]

Excellent. Then let us continue our travels back into a happier land.

[MadCat221]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Miranda is overconfident to the point of endagering lives. Pay closer attention during suicide mission.

Try and put sex out of your mind, take your eyes off her ass, and focus on her mouth.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice, considering your advocacy for an outfit better suited for eye candy than combat.

[jeweledleah]

Russian style aside (which btw, has been very Gaga-esc in recent years, thanks to zaitzhev's influence - YMMV on whether its classy or not), Val claiming that his personal style is superior to those that don't agree with him is pompous at best. he IS however extremely good at riling up people and making them slip up into anger - really good troll, professional.

on topic I agree with JG the gamer's assessment.

for Samara, maybe keeping the lines and color of her uniform, but adding the material onto exposed areas? even keep the head ornamentation on her helmet.

Jack could get to "tattoo" her armor, add some slogans, or kills or whatever on it and add the barcode to the helmet if she so wishes??

Modifié par jeweledleah, 06 février 2011 - 07:36 .

[SpezXVII]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah, and everyone knows about the impeccable sense of style of Russia's newly rich.

Racism. Nice.

My my, aren't you pleasant.

Clearly this has gone too far. Can we not just acknowledge each others' differences of opinion and back away from this argument?

Don't worry. I have precisely no interest in conversing with him after that comment.

As a side note: While his comment was wrong, you should not have attempted to flaunt your financial standing and "sense of fashion." The amount of money you have and how fashionable you may be are in no way related to one-another.

On topic: I support armor and proper headgear for squadmates. Even if it is just for continuity.

[MadCat221]

Samara's absolut cleavage outfit reminds me vaguely of a strawberry; red, with a lot of little seeds. If they kept that pattern, and maybe something resembling the shoulder pads, then Samara's 'proper combat attire' outfit would still say "Samara"

[Bryy_Miller]

Val Seleznyov wrote...
Putting her in armour is a total disregard for her confidence, combat ability and desire to look a certain way. That's not a good message for women.

I don't quite think you know what you're talking about.

Also: "Desire to look a certain way". Kinda sexist, don't you think?

[Val Seleznyov]

SpezXVII wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah, and everyone knows about the impeccable sense of style of Russia's newly rich.

Racism. Nice.

My my, aren't you pleasant.

Clearly this has gone too far. Can we not just acknowledge each others' differences of opinion and back away from this argument?

Don't worry. I have precisely no interest in conversing with him after that comment.

As a side note: While his comment was wrong, you should not have attempted to flaunt your financial standing and "sense of fashion." The amount of money you have and how fashionable you may be are in no way related to one-another.

On topic: I support armor and proper headgear for squadmates. Even if it is just for continuity.

I'm a designer, so my sense of style is directly related to my bank balance... which in all honesty isn't as impressive as i maybe made it sound. The tax brackets in England are rather unfair. I feel bad for the people that will be bumped up into the 40% range in April.

I wasn't trying to lend any more credence to my opinion though. Ieldra was speaking as if he was the absolute authority on how to interpret Miranda. I strongly disagree his assesment, but given his racist outburst, i don't care.

[Babli]

Val Seleznyov wrote...
 Ieldra was speaking as if he was the absolute authority on how to interpret Miranda. .

Irony meter is over 9000

[Elyvern]

Be that as it may, have you notice that almost everyone agrees with Ieldra, and not with you? Perhaps that might be something to ponder over.

[Shotokanguy]

This is a pretty complicated issue.



I admit, there's potential for silliness when some of the characters are dressed the way they are. The chlorine planet DOES seem like a place where characters need more protection. But I think people assume every single area Shepard is fully suited in ME2 is a place where the other characters should die if they aren't protected. I don't believe that. The Collector ship, for example. I just say the mass effect fields were still up, and it wasn't a vacuum.



In instances of combat, I find it easier to get over. As is the case with thermal clips, I think you have to separate gameplay and what the narrative tells you.



Sure, in gameplay, Jack might frequently get knocked out, but do you think that would really happen like that if it were real? Not only would she actually die at some point, but Jack is possibly the strongest biotic on the team. Is it so hard to say that her biotic barriers almost never go down, and that's why she doesn't bother with armor? This is a sci fi video game. You have to suspend your disbelief for some things.



This is a hard task for BioWare. How do they give each character a distinct look, make things believable, and make it actually look good? I want to see the character's face! If that means I have to imagine that Miranda somehow never gets shot in the head, big deal.

[StowyMcStowstow]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

This thread is awesome. And like Ieldra have stated, you can still wear unique but PROPER armour for combat. Running around in high heels and skintight suits, and suits with ridiculous cleavage when you're in COMBAT is stupid. I say casual clothing for when you're aboard the Normandy, proper armour for when you're outside. 

And Val, it's so nice and sweet to see how you think of us women. Shame you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

I don't think that you really understand what i'm saying. 

I'm not making any sweeping generalisations about what a woman should be... just that the type of woman that Miranda is should be respected and not changed just to fit the misguided notion that everyone needs to wear combat armour.

she understands it better than you do. you don't seem to be able to grasp a simple concept like armor is uefuln co$bat, and you don't get it because you think that allowing the character to live would suddenly degrade that characters personality. it wouldn't even with generic ME1 armor. why? because characters aren't characterized through heir clothing. no one is. personalized clothing is nice, but it doesn't make or break a character, and if it does for you then you need to play a different game. also, were you once on the that guy with the glasses? remember a guy who talked like you who wrote an extremely insane post similar to the topic we're discussing now. and that guy was, to say the last, a moron.

[LuxDragon]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Yeah, well, you know what... fine. I get that in a thread like this i am always going to be outnumbered by those that dislike the direction taken in Mass Effect 2. It's like i'm Commander Shepard and you guys are the Reapers, blacking out the sky with your numbers.

I'm not going to just shut up and let you guys win though. I'm going to go to the games forums and rally the Mass Effect fans that don't post here, so the developers know that they didn't make a mistake and that they shouldn't change a thing for Mass Effect 3.

Yeah... that isn't arrogant at all. Why should we take offense?

That was sarcasm BTW.

If you can't convice the majority here, it's highly unlikely you'll rally anyone, much less the developers.

[SpezXVII]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

I'm a designer, so my sense of style is directly related to my bank balance.

Off Topic:
While you may be a designer, you do so for bathroom's and kitchen's. I would imagine deciding what looks good for furnishings, might not look good for apparel.

I do respect that fact that you shed some light on you situation and that you attempted to redeem yourself.


On Topic: It is simply rediculous to see my armor-clad Shepard, Krogan, and then a scantily-clad female running around a ship with no atmosphere nor protection of any sort from the cold reaches of space. I understand they want sex appeal and a certain style for the female characters, but sometimes there has to be a limit.

Modifié par SpezXVII, 06 février 2011 - 08:05 .

[jeweledleah]

speaking of arrogance, I absolutely adore it that Val think he understands how women think and what they like better then women themselves. so very enlightened of him