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[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It's a sign, Cheez! Civilization is in decline!

I know bro I mean WTF we shouldn't agree on stuff like ever!

[Deebe]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

its just a game doesnt matter if its a story driven game or whatever your reason is, its a game set in the future no point to bring realism not even a small one to a game with aliens and killing machines

huh.. by this logic, ridiculously huge giant lazer swords could be apart of the masseffect universe. The game isn't high fantasy, it's supposed to be grounded in reality and be believable. So when I see characters running around with catsuits and heels in the middle of a gunfight, I feel less immersed in the game. Even more so because last game in the series didn't have this issue.

[Gleym]

Whenever I hear someone profess 'iconic and unique appearances!!' as the defense for Miranda's non-existant armor and Jack's topless antics, I always, always, refer to this image:



..because this is also an 'iconic and unique appearance', and I bet that if Bioware put this guy in the game, all those clamoring against armor for squadmates would turn their nose up at poor Bob the Space Hobo. I mean, honestly, heartless hypocrites! Why the hate for poor Bob? He's a Space Hobo because it's his CHOICE! It's his WAY OF LIFE! WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST HIM PROFESSING HIS WAY OF LIFE ON THE BATTLEFIELD?! HUH?! God, you people should be ashamed! [/Snark]

[LuxDragon]

^



That's... one way to prove her point...

[Gleym]

Seriously. Jack and Miranda's looks are no different from Bob the Space Hobo. Impractical, nonsensical and to use the 'iconic and unique' card as the defense is flawed because, ultimately, that's just pure opinion anyway, and has nothing to do with actual facts in regards to character design, and the fact is that you can make someone look plenty sexy and feminine while wearing armor. Right off the top of my head? Appleseed's protagonist is a chick in armor who is not only light and agile on her feet, but manages to look feminine and cool while doing so:


The only thing that stops someone from being able to create a female armor that looks feminine and plausible is that person's lack of imagination.

Modifié par Gleym, 06 février 2011 - 05:50 .

[jeweledleah]

we don't even need to go as far as appleseed.

[Zulu_DFA]

Gleym wrote...

I support Bob the Space Hobo for squadmate in ME3!!!


(This also raises the question: why can't FemShep lose her silly "iconic" N7 armor and wear that Kasumi-issued party dress in battle, so that the Blue Suns mercenaries could appreciate her femininity just as they can appreciate Miranda, Samara and Jack's femininity?)

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 février 2011 - 06:12 .

[Xeranx]

jeweledleah wrote...

we don't even need to go as far as appleseed.

I agree with everything the so-called "zealots" have said.

Now that that's out of the way, how do you get that black armor?  Mod?

[Gleym]

jeweledleah wrote...

we don't even need to go as far as appleseed.

Well, I felt compelled to use alternative imagery, seeing as the skin-tight, curve-showing and yet functional-looking, full-body armor from ME1 wasn't good enough for those clamoring for 'feminine appearances'.

[jeweledleah]

Xeranx wrote...

I agree with everything the so-called "zealots" have said.

Now that that's out of the way, how do you get that black armor?  Mod?

I'm not sure, I just googled femshep colossus for images.  this is from ME1 btw.   ME 2 had a lot of improvements over first game, but removing squad armor was not one of them IMO.

Well, I felt compelled to use alternative imagery, seeing as the skin-tight, curve-showing and yet functional-looking, full-body armor from ME1 wasn't good enough for those clamoring for 'feminine
appearances'.

I guess they wanted more personalization?  I don't know, I got nothing to explain why shepard gets to change into battle clothes, while everyone else is stuck wearing civilian garb to missions :/

Modifié par jeweledleah, 06 février 2011 - 07:00 .

[lovgreno]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I bet it was just some retarded "focus-group" research, that made BioWare think boobs in space was a good idea.

A few people without any understanding what sci-fi is about said something about the characters needing more individuality and femininity, and the "codex zealots" present just didn't fully realize, what was happening, to say a strong "NO".

F*cking marketing.

You may be on the truth here. I get the feeling the T n A in space thing was a thing to please the young male potential costumers. I'm getting real tired of marketing reducing me to a creature who thinks scantily clad dames is absolutely necesary to have in my games all the time and everywhere.

To answer the OP: You know, I realy liked that heavy spacesuit, it was fun for a change and gave the game a sense of very different enviroments.

I would probably like a ME3 mission in a enviroment that was too hostile even for Shepards usual armoured space suit. So the squad have to wear much thicker armours to protect them from something realy nasty like a leaking reactor or meteorite showers. Give them terminator armour for a mission or two just to steal some costumers from Warhammer 40k.

[Terror_K]

I'd simply be happy if for ME3 if BioWare still insist on squaddies not wearing armour, at the very least them having proper helmets instead of ridiculous breathing masks and something that covers them up and is at least completely sealed, at least when entering hostile environments.

Yes, I'd prefer them all have proper armour, which I believe can be done while still reflecting the characters' personalities. But if this is the way it has to be, then at least do some justice to what you're forcing on us, BioWare.

I honestly never thought I'd have to be complaining about this actually, because I thought the Mass Effect devs were smart enough not to make such an incredibly stupid mistake as they did with ME2. And it worries me that despite the complaints they still hadn't seemed to learn by the time LotSB came out (since Liara still only had a stupid breather mask rather than a full helmet in the "on the ship" section).

Seriously... this whole "style over substance" approach at the expense of the integrity of what was once a fairly down-to-earth and air-tight (both puns intended) universe has. To. Stop! As it stands I'm having real difficulty taking the Mass Effect universe and IP seriously any more, mostly thanks to this factor alone.

Modifié par Terror_K, 06 février 2011 - 07:08 .

[Kileyan]

Permanent helmets I say. We should protect them from alcoholic beverages and cigarettes. We already have enough Quarian knowledge to take care of the other issues.



It would be kind of fun, we'd have romances with a bunch of armored suits and never really know who we were taking back to our quarters. It would be a masquerade ball every day.



Err no, helmets make sense, but that last games DLC made me not give a damn, no helmets unless they fix cutscenes.

[Zulu_DFA]

Terror_K wrote...

And it worries me that despite the complaints they still hadn't seemed to learn by the time LotSB came out (since Liara still only had a stupid breather mask rather than a full helmet in the "on the ship" section).

Even that was bugged. If you reloaded the level not from the start, Liara lost her mask and was running around without it.

And BTW, in ME1 Liara's helmet was different (personalized?) from a standard light armor helmet.

[Remus Artega]

am I the only one that feels that the so-called guardian of female dignity and feminity is only covering up his true intention and that is the need for more ****** material?

[Val Seleznyov]

Remus Artega wrote...

am I the only one that feels that the so-called guardian of female dignity and feminity is only covering up his true intention and that is the need for more ****** material?

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

I'm capable of looking at Miranda and seeing past that -- seeing what her outfits really say about her as a human being. But like i said in another thread, i just have a more enlightened attitude on women and equality.

[Babli]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...

am I the only one that feels that the so-called guardian of female dignity and feminity is only covering up his true intention and that is the need for more ****** material?

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

I'm capable of looking at Miranda and seeing past that -- seeing what her outfits really say about her as a human being. But like i said in another thread, i just have a more enlightened attitude on women and equality.

Nice speech man. I wonder what girls/women on this forum think about your..ehm...enlightened view

[jeweledleah]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...

am I the only one that feels that the so-called guardian of female dignity and feminity is only covering up his true intention and that is the need for more ****** material?

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

I'm capable of looking at Miranda and seeing past that -- seeing what her outfits really say about her as a human being. But like i said in another thread, i just have a more enlightened attitude on women and equality.

oh please, get over yourself.

we're not talking about Miranda chosing to wear cat suits while off duty or in her office, around the ship etc.

we're talking about sheer ridiculousness of wearing civilian clothes into battle, especialy high heals, have you even tried running in those?  ducking for cover?  vaulting over obstacles?  even wedge heels can be a bother, but stilleto?  it gets caught in grates, on sharp corners, it slows you down and you can twist your ankle if you move too sharply/too fast.

Jack, oh man.  unless her skin is like that of a turian, and we know that its not - after every engagemnt, she'd be bruised, bloody from scrapes she could have avoided with a cloth shirt, never mind actual armor. 

and then of course, there's a matter of wearing only a tinny clear face mask...in vaccum. 

it has nothing to do with sexism.  its just pushing disbelief a little to far.  I know its a game, but its a game featuring humans. who bleed, scar and still need oxygen to breeze among other things.  a game where you can afford to buy state of the art technology and yet you cannot afford armor for your squad or something?  Shepard wears armor.  and shepard is the most enchanced out of basicaly everyone on the ship, skin weaves, ton of tech all over the body, increased healing potential etc.  Shep is practicaly godly.  but Shep wears armor nontheless.

are you telling me that the rest of the squad is so amazing they, unlike Shepard don't need armor to fight in?  why do we even need shepard there? 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 06 février 2011 - 11:08 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

Despite me being a "Codex zealot" and "armor fundamentalist" (God, I'm a hardliner!), Miranda can wear a bikini on the Normandy, for all I care. She should just remember, that I can't insist on Joker's keeping his pants on either...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 février 2011 - 11:09 .

[Val Seleznyov]

Babli wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

I'm capable of looking at Miranda and seeing past that -- seeing what her outfits really say about her as a human being. But like i said in another thread, i just have a more enlightened attitude on women and equality.

Nice speech man. I wonder what girls/women on this forum think about your..ehm...enlightened view

I'm sure that many of them would agree with me.

Most of you are completely missing the point though. It's not about putting a woman in skintight clothing. I'd feel the same way if Miranda's outfit was a tracksuit.

It is established that she's good at what she does, and that she takes pride in her appearance. She's confident enough that her desire to look the way that she wants to look entices her to disregard battlefield practicality to a small extent.

Putting her in armour is a total disregard for her confidence, combat ability and desire to look a certain way. That's not a good message for women.

[FeLLiPe21]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Babli wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

I'm capable of looking at Miranda and seeing past that -- seeing what her outfits really say about her as a human being. But like i said in another thread, i just have a more enlightened attitude on women and equality.

Nice speech man. I wonder what girls/women on this forum think about your..ehm...enlightened view

I'm sure that many of them would agree with me.

Most of you are completely missing the point though. It's not about putting a woman in skintight clothing. I'd feel the same way if Miranda's outfit was a tracksuit.

It is established that she's good at what she does, and that she takes pride in her appearance. She's confident enough that her desire to look the way that she wants to look entices her to disregard battlefield practicality to a small extent.

Putting her in armour is a total disregard for her confidence, combat ability and desire to look a certain way. That's not a good message for women.

Well her confidence won't do her much good if she drops dead after first burst of rounds going through depleted kinetic barriers, just because she was wearing feminine clothes with zero protection, will it ? 

[jeweledleah]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Babli wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

I'm capable of looking at Miranda and seeing past that -- seeing what her outfits really say about her as a human being. But like i said in another thread, i just have a more enlightened attitude on women and equality.

Nice speech man. I wonder what girls/women on this forum think about your..ehm...enlightened view

I'm sure that many of them would agree with me.

Most of you are completely missing the point though. It's not about putting a woman in skintight clothing. I'd feel the same way if Miranda's outfit was a tracksuit.

It is established that she's good at what she does, and that she takes pride in her appearance. She's confident enough that her desire to look the way that she wants to look entices her to disregard battlefield practicality to a small extent.

Putting her in armour is a total disregard for her confidence, combat ability and desire to look a certain way. That's not a good message for women.

well, I know that I disagree with you.  her desire to look a certain way  and disregarding the fact that she jeapardizes the people she's fightning along side of makes her an undesirable team member.  someone as intelligent and normaly practical, as herself should know better.

I'm a very vain woman.  I might not wear much makeup (lipsticks don't last long with me, at least when my husband is around), but I pre plan and coordinate outfits, I have a sizable high heel shoe collection, and some very slinky clothes.  I love looking good.  but I don't wear high heels and short skirts to, say, gym, because that would make working out extremely uncomfortable and not very productive.

there's a time and place for everything and battlefiled/derelict ship with no enviromental controls is NOT a place to wear high heels, thin leather catsuit and itsy bitsy face mask.

I think you greatly underestimate just how many women want armor  for their squad mates.  I think your so-called understanding and respect for women is pretence at best.

edited to add:  we want proper armor for all our squad mates, male or female alike.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 06 février 2011 - 11:22 .

[Ieldra]

I support team members in ME3 wearing outfits that do not break my suspension of disbelief. To which degree that includes "real armor" might be debatable, but it certainly does *not* include exposed skin in space or high heels in combat.

We need toggleable helmets for everyone, outfits that cover every single square centimetre of skin on space missions and believable footwear on all combat missions. Also, Shepard has armor, in ME1 team members had armor, in ME2 enemies use armor, so it's definitely something useful in open combat and would not be overlooked by our supposedly super-competent team members. Make it light and close-fitting, OK, but also make it look as if it could actually protect somewhat.

The style of Miranda's default outfit is a separate matter and should not be brought up here except as it pertains to practicality and believability.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 février 2011 - 11:26 .

[Phaedon]

jeweledleah wrote...

we don't even need to go as far as appleseed.

Eeerm, this offers as much protection as a leather suit.