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[Remus Artega]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Babli wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

I'm capable of looking at Miranda and seeing past that -- seeing what her outfits really say about her as a human being. But like i said in another thread, i just have a more enlightened attitude on women and equality.

Nice speech man. I wonder what girls/women on this forum think about your..ehm...enlightened view

I'm sure that many of them would agree with me.

Most of you are completely missing the point though. It's not about putting a woman in skintight clothing. I'd feel the same way if Miranda's outfit was a tracksuit.

It is established that she's good at what she does, and that she takes pride in her appearance. She's confident enough that her desire to look the way that she wants to look entices her to disregard battlefield practicality to a small extent.

Putting her in armour is a total disregard for her confidence, combat ability and desire to look a certain way. That's not a good message for women.

Miranda is said to be very inteligent ...yet you are insinuating that her confidence or should I say ego is so big that she will blatantly look over any practical/lore based advantage of use of proper armor protection for enhancing her personal feeling of superiority?
 

Modifié par Remus Artega, 06 février 2011 - 11:33 .

[Val Seleznyov]

jeweledleah wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Babli wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

I find it interesting that the only people that bring up Miranda's overt sexualism are the codex zealots and armour fundamentalists.

I'm capable of looking at Miranda and seeing past that -- seeing what her outfits really say about her as a human being. But like i said in another thread, i just have a more enlightened attitude on women and equality.

Nice speech man. I wonder what girls/women on this forum think about your..ehm...enlightened view

I'm sure that many of them would agree with me.

Most of you are completely missing the point though. It's not about putting a woman in skintight clothing. I'd feel the same way if Miranda's outfit was a tracksuit.

It is established that she's good at what she does, and that she takes pride in her appearance. She's confident enough that her desire to look the way that she wants to look entices her to disregard battlefield practicality to a small extent.

Putting her in armour is a total disregard for her confidence, combat ability and desire to look a certain way. That's not a good message for women.

well, I know that I disagree with you.  her desire to look a certain way  and disregarding the fact that she jeapardizes the people she's fightning along side of makes her an undesirable team member.  someone as intelligent and normaly practical, as herself should know better.

I'm a very vain woman.  I might not wear much makeup (lipsticks don't last long with me, at least when my husband is around), but I pre plan and coordinate outfits, I have a sizable high heel shoe collection, and some very slinky clothes.  I love looking good.  but I don't wear high heels and short skirts to, say, gym, because that would make working out extremely uncomfortable and not very productive.

there's a time and place for everything and battlefiled/derelict ship with no enviromental controls is NOT a place to wear high heels, thin leather catsuit and itsy bitsy face mask.

I think you greatly underestimate just how many women want armor  for their squad mates.  I think your so-called understanding and respect for women is pretence at best.

edited to add:  we want proper armor for all our squad mates, male or female alike.

Miranda isn't jeapordising anything though. The fact is that she most certainly can perform in high heels. Her class ability actually renders her the most useful team member in my eyes.

A gym isn't really the same as a battlefield. Even in modern day movies, you wouldn't see an action hero, like James Bond, in a suit while working out. The gym is essentially a place for practice - when you need to actually do the job, your look comes into it much more.

In Mass Effect, not all missions start out as combat engagements and there is an awful lot of talking between fighting sections. How you look is important, and Miranda wants to look a certain way - this isn't the Victorian ages. Women should be able to dress how they like.

But don't feel too bad about not being as confident in yourself as Miranda is. You were presumabely not grown in a lab to be genetically superior to regular humans in every way.

[Val Seleznyov]

Remus Artega wrote...


Miranda is said to be very inteligent ...yet you are insinuating that her confidence or should I say ego is so big that she will blatantly look over any practical/lore based advantage of use of proper armor protection for enhancing her personal feeling of superiority?
 

During Suicide Mission she puts herself forward for two roles to which she is unsuited. So yes, her confidence does cloud her judgement somewhat... but not in battlefield practicality. She can fight in her outfit well.

[Zulu_DFA]

Guys, I think what we have here is that we're being involved in a simple act of trolling.

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Guys, I think what we have here is that we're being involved in a simple act of trolling.

If you are refering to the OP, then no. He has posted his opinion many times before and makes a good point.

[Val Seleznyov]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Guys, I think what we have here is that we're being involved in a simple act of trolling.

And what we have here is the last recluse of the simple-minded. If you're out-thought, or simply disagree with someone unwilling to back down, accuse them of "trolling" you.

Because yes. The only reason someone could possibly like the ME2 approach to squad attires is to mildly annoy a web community.

[netfire_]

I've said it before, There should be light armor/vacsuits for every one. Some people thing it's an aesthetic thing, but they are stupid...stupid in their head.

[Zulu_DFA]

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Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 février 2011 - 11:49 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Guys, I think what we have here is that we're being involved in a simple act of trolling.

If you are refering to the OP, then no. He has posted his opinion many times before and makes a good point.

No, I'm not refering to the OP. The OP is right all the way.

[Remus Artega]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...


Miranda is said to be very inteligent ...yet you are insinuating that her confidence or should I say ego is so big that she will blatantly look over any practical/lore based advantage of use of proper armor protection for enhancing her personal feeling of superiority?
 

During Suicide Mission she puts herself forward for two roles to which she is unsuited. So yes, her confidence does cloud her judgement somewhat... but not in battlefield practicality. She can fight in her outfit well.

She could even fight well naked if devs wanted that. It is only about consistecy to the established lore. For all I care if they make another game where space is not hazardous environment then be my guest if it stays true to what has been established.
And in the end she admited that even though she was geneticaly engineered to be perfect Shepard still surpasses her in every way...and Shepard as we know wears proper combat armor...

Modifié par Remus Artega, 06 février 2011 - 11:52 .

[Phaedon]

netfire_ wrote...

I've said it before, There should be light armor/vacsuits for every one. Some people thing it's an aesthetic thing, but they are stupid...stupid in their head.

Seeing as this has turned into a 'Female characters have too light armour', which is off-topic and mildly discriminatory as it began from 'All squaddies should have better protection in space', I have to say that a few plastic parts (I am looking at you light armor) are hardly 'armor'. At least more than a leather suit.

Not to mention that too few people have noticed the pattern between biotics and armor.

Modifié par Phaedon, 06 février 2011 - 11:51 .

[Val Seleznyov]

Remus Artega wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...


Miranda is said to be very inteligent ...yet you are insinuating that her confidence or should I say ego is so big that she will blatantly look over any practical/lore based advantage of use of proper armor protection for enhancing her personal feeling of superiority?
 

During Suicide Mission she puts herself forward for two roles to which she is unsuited. So yes, her confidence does cloud her judgement somewhat... but not in battlefield practicality. She can fight in her outfit well.

She could even fight naked if devs wanted that. It is only about consistecy to the established lore. For all I care if they made another game where space is not hazardous environment then be my guest if it stays true to what has been established.
And in the end she admited that even though she was geneticaly engineered to be perfect Shepard still surpasses her in every way...and Shepard as we know wears proper combat armor...

Shepard is an ex-alliance Commander. It wouldn't make much sense for him to not wear combat armour, and the fact that he does certainly doesn't contradict his characterisation. 

As i mentioned previously though, i like that Mordin more closely resembles a doctor than a marine. That's very much a good thing and i don't mind if aesthetic sensibilities step on the toes of the established lore or codex entries a little.

[jeweledleah]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Guys, I think what we have here is that we're being involved in a simple act of trolling.

I believe you are right

good troll though, had us going for a great while.

[Remus Artega]

Because Shepard is well aware of his/her limits and she on the other hand as you have said is letting her confidence cloud sane judgement which contradicts her characterization as an inteligent person...so us who wants her to wear proper attire are the ones voting for consistency of her inteligence

Modifié par Remus Artega, 06 février 2011 - 12:06 .

[Val Seleznyov]

Remus Artega wrote...

Because Shepard is well aware of his/her limits and she on the other hand as you said is letting her confidence cloud sane judgement which contradicts her characterization as an inteligent person...so us who wants her to wear proper attire are the ones voting for consistency of her inteligence

It doesn't contradict anything. You just conveniently overlooked the Suicide Mission examples in which her confidence gets in the way of her better judgement.

[Remus Artega]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...

Because Shepard is well aware of his/her limits and she on the other hand as you said is letting her confidence cloud sane judgement which contradicts her characterization as an inteligent person...so us who wants her to wear proper attire are the ones voting for consistency of her inteligence

It doesn't contradict anything. You just conveniently overlooked the Suicide Mission examples in which her confidence gets in the way of her better judgement.

What makes you think that her choice of attire was not clouded by some other trait which prevailed at time of her decision?

[jeweledleah]

incidentally , have you all ever heard of Kevlar and things like it? you know that very lovely flexible fabric that can stop bullets? somehow I don't think armors in ME1 are made out of leather, but rather they are made with flexible yet protective fabric with some harder plating covering larger areas of the body - you know bigger targets?
and then of course, there's a matter of rough terrain and uncovered skin. or are you telling me that our characters are wasting personal resources protecting against something that can just as easily be taken care of with armor, freeing them up to be more effective on the battlefield?

if it were final fantasy, I might not have an issue with that. if in ME1, everyone fought in their civilian clothes, I'd be a bit bewildered at first, but then chalk it off to the strange rules of this particular universe. but the thing is, 2 years ago, everyone wore armor into battle, even strong biotics like Liara, Wrex and Kaidan and forgot to add asari comandoes to that list. but are you saying that in 2 years, the science of augmenting people advanced so much that we no longer need armor to fight in? and then somehow every single member of your team received those augmentations?

Modifié par jeweledleah, 06 février 2011 - 12:17 .

[daong]

Who needs helmets when you have kinetic shields/biotic barriers?



Haha..just kidding.



I think ALL squadmates need a helmet and proper battle armor. Even today's soldiers wear kevlar vests and helmets.



But hey! Its a game anyway.

[Val Seleznyov]

I'm saying that i'm not a slave to the codex. It's almost as if some of the codex entries are dragons teeth which turned the codex zealots into mindless husk-like armour fundamentalists.

Mordin looks like a doctor. Samara looks like a warrior monk. Thane looks like an assassin. Their individual looks belie their characterisation and personalities. This is a good thing.

Sealable hardsuits for extra-planetary endeavors. Personalised clothing everywhere else.

Modifié par Val Seleznyov, 06 février 2011 - 12:18 .

[Phaedon]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

I'm saying that i'm not a slave to the codex. It's almost as if some of the codex entries are dragons teeth which turned the codex zealots into mindless husk-like armour fundamentalists.

Mordin looks like a doctor. Samara looks like a warrior monk. Thane looks like an assassin. Their individual looks belie their characterisation and personalities. This is a good thing.

Sealable hardsuits for extra-planetary endeavors. Personalised clothing everywhere else.

I agree.

[Babli]

Val Seleznyov wrote...
Mordin looks like a doctor. Samara looks like a warrior monk. Thane looks like an assassin. Their individual looks belie their characterisation and personalities. This is a good thing.

They can be dressed like anything they want on Normandy and peaceful hub-worlds but in combat and space they just need armor. Period.

Modifié par Babli, 06 février 2011 - 12:27 .

[Remus Artega]

Babli wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...
Mordin looks like a doctor. Samara looks like a warrior monk. Thane looks like an assassin. Their individual looks belie their characterisation and personalities. This is a good thing.

They can be dressed like anything they want on Normandy and peaceful hub-worlds but in combat and space they just need armor. Period.

+1 Exactly this...

[jeweledleah]

Babli wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...
Mordin looks like a doctor. Samara looks like a warrior monk. Thane looks like an assassin. Their individual looks belie their characterisation and personalities. This is a good thing.

They can be dressed like anything they want on Normandy and peaceful hub-worlds but in combat and space they just need armor. Period.

seconded.

I'll even add that it would be lovely if Shepard could go out to peaceful hubs wearing casual clothes, personalizable casual clothes if possible.  walking around Citadel wearing full armor and carrying anything more then a sidearm just feels weird.  didn't bother me too much since you were stuck in your armor for the entire series so far, but it would be lovely IMO in ME3