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Will we be able to change companions' clothing like in DAO?


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kylecouch wrote...

You simply seem to not care about the characters themselves and value stats over them...like I said...Sten would never willingly part with Asala...no matter what weapon you gave him he would always choose Asala. But since your comrades and everything hes more then willing to disregard his entire culture to use whatever you give him.


Sten never used Asala in any game I've played.  Yusaris and the other sword (I can't remember the name of) are better.  And we can still change weapons.

Modifié par TJPags, 06 février 2011 - 05:41 .


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kylecouch wrote...

You simply seem to not care about the characters themselves and value stats over them...like I said...Sten would never willingly part with Asala...no matter what weapon you gave him he would always choose Asala. But since your comrades and everything hes more then willing to disregard his entire culture to use whatever you give him.


I agree with your edited in later points, but it is the only one you have. Sten is a special case and a special culture. I have no problem with him giving you -50 loyalty if you force him to give up his sword. He is also a very pragmatic person and raised in a very efficient society. It is just as likely he'd give you a +5 loyaltry rating by showing him there isn't only one way to skin a dragon, and it wouldn't be insulting his honor or his sword, buy using a  tool that was more suited to a job.No one said throw it in a scrap heap and make horse shoes out of his sword.

This is beside the point, you seem to be very emotional about me/us the main character being able to equip party members or make decisions for them. I want to say your respsonse are too black and white, but they are really just plain negative. You want to claim the roleplay route, but only in the most negative terms. You imagine in your head the most negative of behind the scenes  roleplay situations, but can't imagine any good ones when a person is offered the gift of a nice set of armor to replace their own.

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Your missing the point man lol...if Sten had a choice in the matter he would WOULD fight with Asala....everytime...because in reality you couldn't force him to abandon his entire cultures way of thinking just to make his stats better. This what I mean by forceing...from the perspective of free will...half the characters probably WOULD say "Pfft screw you man this is my lucky dagger...I made my first kill with this thing."

Leliana would also probably use Marjolaines Bow over whatever else you gave her because it was simply Marjolaines bow and we kow how obsessed she was with Marjolaine. Alistair would always want to fight with Duncan's Shield because it belonged to Duncan and would remind him of Duncan everytime he fought. Zeveran would probably fight with those Antivan Leather Boots all the time due to it reminding him of home so fondly. I mean really people use outdated things for many reasons...not everyone is "This is is statisticly better therefor I shall use this instead."...Many people hold things near and dear to them over simple statistics. By forceing them to not use these things are not letting them be themselves and forceing them to be whatever you wish them to be...YOu say I am being negative...I say you are denying these people the ability to use things they would probably use all the time if they were given free Will to do so.

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All I can say is that I think the removal of equipment without character restrictions is one of the most half-arsed things I know about DA2. I mean, Morrigan in plate was just sexy, man.. Ok, not as much as her original outfit, but still. Not to mention the practicality or even RP value of having gear thats usable by everyone.

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My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no, that is not an answer. WHY are you going to miss being able to switch armors at will? simply because you "could" do so?

Because it's a roleplaying game and customization is part of what you expect from an RPG.  Not just stats and leveling, but with Origins you also got a hand in shaping the characters and their development roleplay-wise.  The visual was part of that.

PC players will presumably at least be able to mod and morph.  That's something.  I guess.

I can name 1000 RPGS that don't let you change clothes

And now there's 1001.  Don't expect me to be happy about it.

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kylecouch wrote...

Your missing the point man lol...if Sten had a choice in the matter he would WOULD fight with Asala....everytime...because in reality you couldn't force him to abandon his entire cultures way of thinking just to make his stats better. This what I mean by forceing...from the perspective of free will...half the characters probably WOULD say "Pfft screw you man this is my lucky dagger...I made my first kill with this thing."

Leliana would also probably use Marjolaines Bow over whatever else you gave her because it was simply Marjolaines bow and we kow how obsessed she was with Marjolaine. Alistair would always want to fight with Duncan's Shield because it belonged to Duncan and would remind him of Duncan everytime he fought. Zeveran would probably fight with those Antivan Leather Boots all the time due to it reminding him of home so fondly. I mean really people use outdated things for many reasons...not everyone is "This is is statisticly better therefor I shall use this instead."...Many people hold things near and dear to them over simple statistics. By forceing them to not use these things are not letting them be themselves and forceing them to be whatever you wish them to be...YOu say I am being negative...I say you are denying these people the ability to use things they would probably use all the time if they were given free Will to do so.


For how attached you seem to be to these characters, you dont seem to know them very well.

Actually Sten, if your going by his culture and personality, would be more than happy to use another sword if you explained it with logic and reason. You need a certain tool to kill a dragon, and if that tool happens to be a sword thats not Asala, well sten will use it. Now why his sword didnt have better stats to reflect his "comfort" with the sword is a different issue all together.

Lelia probably wouldnt touch Marjoleins bow if you didnt give it to her. She might have once worshiped her old mentor, but now she is a demon that has haunted her for most of her "new" life. That bow would be a reminder of that life which she cant seem to shake In a roleplaying perspective you would have to give her a reason to use it, probably by saying there is a lesson in it.

Zevran might prefer those lovely boots alright, but if for some reason they impede his ability to assassinate, or he finds boots that are more comfortable, he would use them. He is a proper assassin you know. Just because he doesnt where them, doesnt mean he cant hold on to them for those times he isnt out killing people.

Allisair would indeed love Duncans shield. But really if Allistair had a choice, would he not bury that shield with duncan? Or make a shrine? Im not allistair, and neither are you, so we cant really be clear cut about that decision.

Im all for this new system of just one armor. Keeps them in class and in character, but the way your arguing for the characters isnt that solid.

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kylecouch wrote...

Your missing the point man lol...if Sten had a choice in the matter he would WOULD fight with Asala....everytime...because in reality you couldn't force him to abandon his entire cultures way of thinking just to make his stats better. This what I mean by forceing...from the perspective of free will...half the characters probably WOULD say "Pfft screw you man this is my lucky dagger...I made my first kill with this thing."

Leliana would also probably use Marjolaines Bow over whatever else you gave her because it was simply Marjolaines bow and we kow how obsessed she was with Marjolaine. Alistair would always want to fight with Duncan's Shield because it belonged to Duncan and would remind him of Duncan everytime he fought. Zeveran would probably fight with those Antivan Leather Boots all the time due to it reminding him of home so fondly. I mean really people use outdated things for many reasons...not everyone is "This is is statisticly better therefor I shall use this instead."...Many people hold things near and dear to them over simple statistics. By forceing them to not use these things are not letting them be themselves and forceing them to be whatever you wish them to be...YOu say I am being negative...I say you are denying these people the ability to use things they would probably use all the time if they were given free Will to do so.


Hey man, I know these boots and gloves mean a lot to you. I would never ask you to forget what they mean to you, but we are going into a battle where I am not sure we will survive. I don't want to lose my friends, and would ask, if even just for me, you accept these relics item of ancient Elven make, just to make me feel better. They hold great power, and you living a long happy life is the best way you can repay me for this battle, and they will help you survive to do that.


-That is where I make them wear better items.

-This is where you decide I forced and assaulted them into not being themselves.

It can be roleplayed as a tyranical dude at a computer playing dress up, or as a friend or commander in combat that doesn't want to lose his friends or soldiers. It is behind the scenes, and honestly you are the first person ever encountered that considers giving a person better equipment than they have, as a serious insult to them. I was willing to concede Sten, but you keep going and going:)

Again, you seem to imagine everything negatively.

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Addai67 wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no, that is not an answer. WHY are you going to miss being able to switch armors at will? simply because you "could" do so?

Because it's a roleplaying game and customization is part of what you expect from an RPG.  Not just stats and leveling, but with Origins you also got a hand in shaping the characters and their development roleplay-wise.  The visual was part of that.

PC players will presumably at least be able to mod and morph.  That's something.  I guess.

I can name 1000 RPGS that don't let you change clothes

And now there's 1001.  Don't expect me to be happy about it.


Mostly just out of curiosity of what people label as rpgs, I would be interested in 20 out of those 1000 being listed, preferably those that aren't xbox 360 games. Should be easy 20 out of 1000 isn't like asking folks to dig up things lost in time.

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My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

I can name 1000 RPGS that don't let you change clothes

I'm not confident that there are 1000 RPGs.

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...Why is this thread still open?



I answered the question already.

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TJPags wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

You simply seem to not care about the characters themselves and value stats over them...like I said...Sten would never willingly part with Asala...no matter what weapon you gave him he would always choose Asala. But since your comrades and everything hes more then willing to disregard his entire culture to use whatever you give him.


Sten never used Asala in any game I've played.  Yusaris and the other sword (I can't remember the name of) are better.  And we can still change weapons.


I always have Sten using Asala on my character playthroughs. He has it in at least one weapon quickslot. Sten is very practical, I kind of interpret him realizing if something is better and using it, while not discarding what is sacred. He's not going to give up the breads of his people, but cookies sure are good. Cookies belong in quickslot one, Qunari devilsfood cupcakes in slot two.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

I can name 1000 RPGS that don't let you change clothes

I'm not confident that there are 1000 RPGs.


Sylvius, that's not how you play the game. You're supposed to double-dog-dare him to name all 1,000 now. It would be an amusing list.

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I wonder if the insistence that characters should be unique and hence the fixed outfits will buckle under the pressure to sell DLC down the road... Dragon Age Alternative Appearance Packs...  

Modifié par Burdokva, 06 février 2011 - 08:16 .


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Dr. wonderful wrote...

...Why is this thread still open?

I answered the question already.

"Do you also want me to shine your shoes, sir?"

Your not king

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crimzontearz

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ok..new question



why do people assume that the ability to change the clothes of the companion NPC should be a given in every single RPG?

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Even newer question,



Will anyone be able to create a crotchless panty mod for Isabella? C'mon, whose with me? C'mon!