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[Zulu_DFA]

jlb524 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Yeah, the whole no asari on asari relationships is stupid. But I wouldn't compare it with the stigma against gays, because asari on asari produces offspring and basically had to go on for thousands years before the Asari met an alien race that they can reproduce with.

Yeah, but they had no problem mating with themselves for all those years, hell....I bet they ever really really enjoyed it. Then one day some of their Matriarchs up and decided it was bad and they needed to 'explore' other options....yeah...I bet that went over well.

I think the asari could always mate with other species on Thessia. Sort of "zoophilia" in our terms. But since that was natural for them to have asari babies from those kind of relationships too (in case they chose to), it was quite normal for them. Maybe even before they became sapient themselves.

When they met sapient alien species (the Salarians), it was only logical to try out that practice with them too, and as it gave positive results, it became customary very quickly.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 février 2011 - 05:01 .

[jbblue05]

jlb524 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Yeah, the whole no asari on asari relationships is stupid. But I wouldn't compare it with the stigma against gays, because asari on asari produces offspring and basically had to go on for thousands years before the Asari met an alien race that they can reproduce with.

Yeah, but they had no problem mating with themselves for all those years, hell....I bet they ever really really enjoyed it. Then one day some of their Matriarchs up and decided it was bad and they needed to 'explore' other options....yeah...I bet that went over well.

Imagine if our scientists found a way in which a two human men or two human women could make a baby together, and the leaders of the world decided it was best for everyone to be in same-sex pairings and opposite-sex pairings began to be treated as a taboo and with disdain. 

I don't see that going over too well...the whole thing is ridiculous.

The older asari usually have pureblood daughters.

The Siari religion was created once the Asari realized they could reproduce with other races..

Asari couples  should be highly common because members from the same species share a chemical bond that connects them.
Similar to how testosterone and estrogen react to each other in human males and females.

Bioware probably thinks its more interesting seeing asari with members of other species.

[SolitaireOne]

Ryzaki wrote...

Silly Xilizhra. Asari aren't females they're monogendered asexuals!

*LOL*  I too thought Nef's tale was a bit.. unsavory.   A multi-century old Asari, interested in a silly, artsy girl?   Granted that blue-headed dame gots issues, but I'm just sayin'!

[jbblue05]

James2912 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Yeah, the whole no asari on asari relationships is stupid. But I wouldn't compare it with the stigma against gays, because asari on asari produces offspring and basically had to go on for thousands years before the Asari met an alien race that they can reproduce with.

Yeah, but they had no problem mating with themselves for all those years, hell....I bet they ever really really enjoyed it. Then one day some of their Matriarchs up and decided it was bad and they needed to 'explore' other options....yeah...I bet that went over well.

Imagine if our scientists found a way in which a two human men or two human women could make a baby together, and the leaders of the world decided it was best for everyone to be in same-sex pairings and opposite-sex pairings began to be treated as a taboo and with disdain. 

I don't see that going over too well...the whole thing is ridiculous.

Its decided the Asari are a ridiculous species. And if men could reproduce would they still be a man? and where would the baby come out of the pooper? Wait we should stop talking about this some Bioware writer is getting ideas!

Men aren't really needed to produce offspring .  Men are used to add genetic diversity

[jeweledleah]

Asari reproduced with each other, something that Liara actually tells you in ME1 if you ask her, but they also had substantial number of Ardat Yakshi born. what I'm guessing happened, based on the in game information is that upon discovering space flight, Citadel and eventually other sentient species, Asari experimented and realized that Asari/other species unions never once produced Ardat Yakshi. light bulb goes off and Asari/asari pairings become undesirable.

we don't know enough about their physiology to assume exactly how they become pregnant (we do however know that physical contact is largely unnecessary, only mental melding is), and subsequently birth a child, I'm guessing it has something to do with "azure" we don't even know how exactly they get rid of byproducts of digestion (we do know though that humans and Asari can safely eat the same food so they do get rid of their by products somehow.) For all we know - their species developed as they did, including their rise to sentience, due to large quantities of Eezo on their homeworld.

edited to add - asari do not require men specificaly to produce offspring, either males or females of any species will do.  I'm guessing the reason why they end up with men most often is becasue it seems like societies we've encountered so far have their men do the traveling and women keep important (or less important)  roles on their respective homeworlds

Modifié par jeweledleah, 05 février 2011 - 05:09 .

[Stupidus]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Wow. People really read too much into things sometimes...

Always, but it's like this for every game out there eventually. This forum is in its 'meta-age' where old threads/topics will begin to spring up time and time again during the speculation and delay period before ME3. Just picking away at minute things are just ruining the brilliance of ME2 for people, but that's not of my business to care.

[jeweledleah]

oh yeah, on original topic.



Morinth is not a 1000 years old. She's not attracted to Nef because of her age or gender, she's attracted to her because of her artistic passion, vibrancy, active mind - remember its the mind melding that gives asari most of their enjoyment. Morinth falls for Shepard hook line and sinker even faster then she does for Nef for precisely that reason - Shep's presence, drive, passion, aura if you will.



its also the reason why Liara is so attracted to Shepard, regardless of gender or looks, she says as much when you talk to her.

[jbblue05]

jeweledleah wrote...

Asari reproduced with each other, something that Liara actually tells you in ME1 if you ask her, but they also had substantial number of Ardat Yakshi born. what I'm guessing happened, based on the in game information is that upon discovering space flight, Citadel and eventually other sentient species, Asari experimented and realized that Asari/other species unions never once produced Ardat Yakshi. light bulb goes off and Asari/asari pairings become undesirable.

we don't know enough about their physiology to assume exactly how they become pregnant (we do however know that physical contact is largely unnecessary, only mental melding is), and subsequently birth a child, I'm guessing it has something to do with "azure" we don't even know how exactly they get rid of byproducts of digestion (we do know though that humans and Asari can safely eat the same food so they do get rid of their by products somehow.) For all we know - their species developed as they did, including their rise to sentience, due to large quantities of Eezo on their homeworld.

edited to add - asari do not require men specificaly to produce offspring, either males or females of any species will do.  I'm guessing the reason why they end up with men most often is becasue it seems like societies we've encountered so far have their men do the traveling and women keep important (or less important)  roles on their respective homeworlds

Ardat Yakshi are less common in multi-species pairing not unheard of.

Asari philosophy on mating with other species is that you gain the wisdom of both the Asari and the father's species, meaning you make the Asari stronger.  Asari-exclusive pairing is believed to make the Asari-race weaker which is all bull-crap.

[Praetor Knight]

jbblue05 wrote...

Men aren't really needed to produce offspring .  Men are used to add genetic diversity

Umm... in the case of Asari, I thought there was no gender concerns.

Or am  I wrong?

[AkiKishi]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Men aren't really needed to produce offspring .  Men are used to add genetic diversity

Umm... in the case of Asari, I thought there was no gender concerns.

Or am  I wrong?

A partner is required but the gender makes no difference. All Asari give birth to Asari regardless of partnert male or female.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 05 février 2011 - 05:28 .

[jeweledleah]

jbblue05 wrote...


Ardat Yakshi are less common in multi-species pairing not unheard of.

Asari philosophy on mating with other species is that you gain the wisdom of both the Asari and the father's species, meaning you make the Asari stronger.  Asari-exclusive pairing is believed to make the Asari-race weaker which is all bull-crap.

Maybe I missed it, but I'm pretty sure they say that Ardat Yakshi don't happen in mix species pairings.  their beleive is not entirely unfounded IF you also concider that they might think of Asari/asari pairing as a sort of incest and incest most certainly weakens gene pool, often resulting in unpleasant genetic disorders.

[jbblue05]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Men aren't really needed to produce offspring .  Men are used to add genetic diversity

Umm... in the case of Asari, I thought there was no gender concerns.

Or am  I wrong?

I wasn't talking about Asari just species on Earth in general

[Inquisitor Recon]

People complaining about asari from a biological, evolutionary, or whatever standpoint make me want to bash my head into a brick wall.

Nef struck me as somewhat weak-willed even in the video when she first meets Morinth. So yeah Morinth the rampaging Ardat-Yakshi takes advantage of Nef the "lonely misunderstood artist". What's the problem here?

You know, I used to think I was good at seeing conspiracies around every corner, but you put me to shame.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 05 février 2011 - 05:32 .

[Praetor Knight]

jbblue05 wrote...

I wasn't talking about Asari just species on Earth in general

So...

which other species on Earth would the Asari use?

implications unpleasant...

[jbblue05]

jeweledleah wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...


Ardat Yakshi are less common in multi-species pairing not unheard of.

Asari philosophy on mating with other species is that you gain the wisdom of both the Asari and the father's species, meaning you make the Asari stronger.  Asari-exclusive pairing is believed to make the Asari-race weaker which is all bull-crap.

Maybe I missed it, but I'm pretty sure they say that Ardat Yakshi don't happen in mix species pairings.  their beleive is not entirely unfounded IF you also concider that they might think of Asari/asari pairing as a sort of incest and incest most certainly weakens gene pool, often resulting in unpleasant genetic disorders.

Their is nothing wrong with Asari-exclusive pairings. They were the first species to reach space flight and is one of the most powerful races in the galaxy.

Asari doctors also say that getting genetic material from the father species is bullcrap.  Asari daughters are clones  of their mothers.
Asari have more genetic diversity by mating with other Asari since they share a deeper genetic pool.

Asari can only mate with other species because they share the same BASIC DNA.
.

[jbblue05]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I wasn't talking about Asari just species on Earth in general

So...

which other species on Earth would the Asari use?

implications unpleasant...

New Mexico Whiptail

[jeweledleah]

jbblue05 wrote...


Their is nothing wrong with Asari-exclusive pairings. They were the first species to reach space flight and is one of the most powerful races in the galaxy.

Asari doctors also say that getting genetic material from the father species is bullcrap.  Asari daughters are clones  of their mothers.
Asari have more genetic diversity by mating with other Asari since they share a deeper genetic pool.

Asari can only mate with other species because they share the same BASIC DNA.
.

quotes please?  from what I saw in game, they actualy copy and incorporate genetic information from Father species, Asari daughters are NOT the copies of their mothers, but rather an amalgamation of both mather and father.  I'm not seeing how Asari have more genetic divercity within their species then various different sentient species put together. 

and as far as Asari exclusive pairings are concerned if you listen inon the conversation that 2 asari on Illium are having, as catty as it is, it states pretty clearly that Asar/asari matings are undesirable becasue of Ardat Yakshi.  ardat yakshi are not a new thing for asari btw, they are just extremely rare, now that majority of the asari mate with other species. 

P.S.  if you're talking about humans not requiring men to produce children, the only way I know is cloning and we haven't exactly perfected it.  creating a regular old embryo requires both sperm and egg.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 05 février 2011 - 05:57 .

[shoggoth1890]

Pairing with any other race could be considered "bestiality". They would not have necessarily developed the same taboo against it we have.

I had always interpreted it as a developed social stigma, not an innately extant one. Likely they started out reproducing with other Asari, then after discovering other races began to interbreed. Eventually, it probably became an "in" thing. An "OMG, can u believe becky is wearing that outfit? It went out of fashion last year, let's make fun of her" kinda thing, compounded with cautionary tales of ardat yakshi.

[jbblue05]

jeweledleah wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...


Their is nothing wrong with Asari-exclusive pairings. They were the first species to reach space flight and is one of the most powerful races in the galaxy.

Asari doctors also say that getting genetic material from the father species is bullcrap.  Asari daughters are clones  of their mothers.
Asari have more genetic diversity by mating with other Asari since they share a deeper genetic pool.

Asari can only mate with other species because they share the same BASIC DNA.
.

quotes please?  from what I saw in game, they actualy copy and incorporate genetic information from Father species, Asari daughters are NOT the copies of their mothers, but rather an amalgamation of both mather and father.  I'm not seeing how Asari have more genetic divercity within their species then various different sentient species put together. 

and as far as Asari exclusive pairings are concerned if you listen inon the conversation that 2 asari on Illium are having, as catty as it is, it states pretty clearly that Asar/asari matings are undesirable becasue of Ardat Yakshi.  ardat yakshi are not a new thing for asari btw, they are just extremely rare, now that majority of the asari mate with other species. 

P.S.  if you're talking about humans not requiring men to produce children, the only way I know is cloning and we haven't exactly perfected it.  creating a regular old embryo requires both sperm and egg.

Talk to Liara is ME1 and talk to the Matriarch at the Bar on Illium.

Those two Asari are bias and anti-pureblood elitists.
In my earlier post I pointed out why Asari mate with other species.

Ardat Yakshi were extremely rare prior to the asari reaching space-flight.
Ardart Yakshi were revered as Gods of Destruction.  You don't worship something that is common.
Their are ardart Yakshi pirsons and who knows how large they are.

I was saying the male offers more genetic diversity to the species than an all-female race

[JaylaClark]

jlb524 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Come to think of it, none of the asari/asari relationships have ended well either. Benezia and Aethyta broke up in some tragic manner, Erinya's bondmate was killed (not to mention their daughters), and Samara... well, her reproductive history needs no introduction.

Yes, and none of these pairings are actually seen in the game, but merely mentioned in dialog.

The Benezia/Aethyta one is especially absent as it's only vaguely hinted at, and you need LotSB to connect the final dots.

And Erinya is depicted as an irrational xenophobe...

Give them partial credit, though.  Erinya's bondmate didn't run off, become insane, or even cause the end of the bond.  She's clearly heartbroken that she's not around.  That said, it's sad that this is progress, that they can't show a properly happy couple on screen, just allude to one that once existed.  (Plus I kind of liked Nelyna and Saphyria, who it's implied were their daughters... and if so, they were also a welcome change from the 'pureblood angst' that the one asari was going on about on Illium, and even slightly affected Liara.)

[Gabey5]

pedophillia is a human concept

[SaltBot]

Xilizhra wrote...
It's the fact that the only asari/woman romance in the game outside the main character was set up to make you want to kill one of the participants. The whole thing serves as a means of vilification, especially when you consider that it's the first asari Nef's been attracted to, and very possibly the first female (given her comment about Morinth being a girl like her).

Consider it from the writer's POV: would the audience have had as much, or even any, sympathy for the plight of Nef or her teary mother if Nef had been male?  When the victim is female, it becomes that much easier to villify the culprit, regardless of who or what the culprit is.  If Nef were male, I am certain there would be less pulling of heartstrings and more 'he was thinking with the wrong head' attitudes.

[JaylaClark]

SaltBot wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
It's the fact that the only asari/woman romance in the game outside the main character was set up to make you want to kill one of the participants. The whole thing serves as a means of vilification, especially when you consider that it's the first asari Nef's been attracted to, and very possibly the first female (given her comment about Morinth being a girl like her).

Consider it from the writer's POV: would the audience have had as much, or even any, sympathy for the plight of Nef or her teary mother if Nef had been male?  When the victim is female, it becomes that much easier to villify the culprit, regardless of who or what the culprit is.  If Nef were male, I am certain there would be less pulling of heartstrings and more 'he was thinking with the wrong head' attitudes.

I do tend to think that it's unfortunate implications either way, and that they didn't intend it to be so, but I still think that a good writer could evoke that reaction with a male Nef.  It just takes skill to walk a fine line.

[Aggie Punbot]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

So Morinth is a pedophile? Not meant to offend anyone who likes Morinth, but that's how I was interpreting this.

No, I imagine Morinth is pansexual like every other asari (plus, Nef is definitely post-pubescent, which puts her out of the "pedo" range) But that aside, it seems... shall we say, peculiar that the one asari/woman relationship we see in the games only exists to motivate us to kill one of the participants.

You mean Khalisah bint al-Jilani and her asari lover?

[Xilizhra]

JaylaClark wrote...

SaltBot wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
It's the fact that the only asari/woman romance in the game outside the main character was set up to make you want to kill one of the participants. The whole thing serves as a means of vilification, especially when you consider that it's the first asari Nef's been attracted to, and very possibly the first female (given her comment about Morinth being a girl like her).

Consider it from the writer's POV: would the audience have had as much, or even any, sympathy for the plight of Nef or her teary mother if Nef had been male?  When the victim is female, it becomes that much easier to villify the culprit, regardless of who or what the culprit is.  If Nef were male, I am certain there would be less pulling of heartstrings and more 'he was thinking with the wrong head' attitudes.

I do tend to think that it's unfortunate implications either way, and that they didn't intend it to be so, but I still think that a good writer could evoke that reaction with a male Nef.  It just takes skill to walk a fine line.

If Nef had been male and everything else was exactly the same thing, there wouldn't be unfortunate implications in the game itself, only in the possible reactions of the players.