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[Chuvvy]

More of a likelihood than a possibility.

[Phaedon]

Slidell505 wrote...

More of a likelihood than a possibility.

How so?

[Dexi]

Phaedon wrote...

The OP doesn't hold the whole analysis, but anyway

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Anyway, the import system works with true/false flags. Bioware could just make parts of the game 'not exist' or have lesser features if something is flagged as false for example. You lost a squadmate? You miss content.

They wouldn't want you to miss 10 characters worth content... It's wasted money... 

[Phaedon]

Dexi wrote...
They wouldn't want you to miss 10 characters worth content... It's wasted money... 

Note how by that logic, recruiting both Garrus and Wrex would be compulsory, Shepard would have to have relationship with ALL of the LIs, conversations would be completely linear and NPCs wouldn't have extra dialogue. Also, the majority managed to save most of the squaddies. You know what's wasted money? A whole fan base of already dangerous and mildly deranged idividuals not buying ME3, jumping up and down, rioting, comitting acts of arson, roberries, public chaos, I can go on. 

[Null_]

The default non import save will have only DLC chars and Samara dead/gone becuse oath is fullfiled, Grunt in tank, Legion sold.
The rest will be alive.

How many people that care enough to import a save actually lost more than 1-2 squadies(intentionaly... not a "bloodbath" run by people that replay game 20times)?
oh yeah all of the 3 people in the world that did will be pissed that the game doesnt have enough content for them while milions of happy players buy 200$ collectors edition becuse game got the characters they care about

Also just consider how stupid it would be... ME2 was 80% building team 10% fighting collectors 10% sidemissions...
So you recruit a team. Get them loyal. Then you buy ME3 and spend 80% of the game recruiting again? Get real

If they are scared new people(who didnt play ME2) wont buy/reccomend to friends becuse the characters are confusing for them then just include ME:genesis 2. while the first comic was quite bad for us hardcore players it definitly was good enough for typical new player trying to grasp the plot of the game. Taking the effort to make a 10min comic is better than missing out on "game of the year" "best rpg" awards everywhere and getting "dissapointment of the year" on most gaming websites

Modifié par Null_, 05 février 2011 - 06:51 .

[CroGamer002]

^Nerds to commit arson? X-D

[HGunner]

Null_ wrote...

The default non import save will have only DLC chars and Samara dead/gone becuse oath is fullfiled, Grunt in tank, Legion sold.
The rest will be alive.

How many people that care enough to import a save actually lost more than 1-2 squadies(intentionaly... not a "bloodbath" run by people that replay game 20times)?
oh yeah all of the 3 people in the world that did will be pissed that the game doesnt have enough content for them

My thoughts on the subject exactly.

[Phaedon]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Nerds to commit arson? X-D

I did not specify if it is virtual arson or actual. :happy:

Flamewars!

[CroGamer002]

^Ugh, flamewars.

[rft]

I definally think Miranda will be back just because she's almost impossible to kill off in the SM (even if loyal)

[matt-bassist]

IT'S TOO LATE!!! LET THE FREAKOUT PARANIOA COMMENCE!!!1

[Null_]

Actually its almost too late to make changes to script now...9-10months left till game goes gold...
So go to Bioware HQ NOW if you want to make a diffrence. Whining 2-3months before release wont do anything

Modifié par Null_, 05 février 2011 - 07:09 .

[Phaedon]

Null_ wrote...

Actually its almost too late to make changes to script now...9-10months left till game goes gold...
So go to Bioware HQ NOW if you want to make a diffrence. Whining 2-3months before release wont do anything

The general plotline has been set before ME was released. 

[Wittand25]

Phaedon wrote...

Dexi wrote...

They wouldn't want you to miss 10 characters worth content... It's wasted money...

Note how by that logic, recruiting both Garrus and Wrex would be compulsory, Shepard would have to have relationship with ALL of the LIs, conversations would be completely linear and NPCs wouldn't have extra dialogue. Also, the majority managed to save most of the squaddies. You know what's wasted money? A whole fan base of already dangerous and mildly deranged idividuals not buying ME3, jumping up and down, rioting, comitting acts of arson, roberries, public chaos, I can go on.

There is a difference between an option in the game and an option that requires to play a whole different game. The first creates replayability, the second rather drives away new customers and makes old costumers feel irritated.



And as far as the fanboys go, they got over the fact that most of the ME1 crew was not on board again, they got over the fact that the warden will not be in DA2 and they will get over it once it gets announced that the ME3 squad will be all new. there will be one or two though weeks, full of nerd rage and trolling and I already pity Mr. Priestly and Mr. Woo for having to deal with it, but the forums will calm down eventually and even most of the fanboys will purchase the game anyway.

[meh_cd]

This has probably all been said before, but it's going to be said again:

I could see Jacob becoming the XO and regaining his commission if Shep rejoins the Alliance. Miranda will probably stay regardless of your alignment: Renegade, you're still with Cerberus for some time (I assume); Paragon she resigns from Cerberus during the Suicide Mission. Garrus will always be your buddy.

Zaeed will leave because he was only there for the cash/may retake control of the Blue Suns. Kasumi is a thief who finally has her partner's graybox. I assume she will leave and have a cameo somewhere. Samara only swore an oath to you for the Suicide Mission, so she will probably take off and be a Justicar again. Jack is insane and will probably take off regardless of what you do - don't blame her after what she has been through.

Mordin and Thane are difficult to predict. Mordin is old, and Thane is sick. Both could either leave or die during the course of the game. Grunt and Legion are difficult as well since you can just ignore them, but I'm hoping they will not just disappear. Grunt can go back to Tuchanka now that he has proven himself, and for god's sake please let us keep Legion. That leaves Tali. My guess is that she will stick around as well.

I just don't want the entire game to be about recruiting more people. If we do have to get new squad members, please make it like the first game. Run into the majority of them right away and focus on the story from there.

Modifié par meh_cd, 05 février 2011 - 07:32 .

[Null_]

Also not having Garrus/Tali/Me1 squad wouldnt help the "Mass effect complete trilogy*" game that will come out eventually...imagine star wars/lord of the rings where all characters except luke/frodo are new each episode.. that would suck.

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* you know all 3 games on ME3 engine in one package. 1-2 years after ME3 comes out. It will happen

[Dexi]

Null_ wrote...

Actually its almost too late to make changes to script now...9-10months left till game goes gold...
So go to Bioware HQ NOW if you want to make a diffrence. Whining 2-3months before release wont do anything

I know what you're saying, been saying it to a lot of people now, but I'm not whining just discussing possibilities. I made no demands, just sought insight and opinions on this matter  


For me, personally ( cause I guess I didn't say this ), would be cool if ALL ME and ME2 squaddies ( even just for a single event ) could be on the Normandy. 

[Phaedon]

Wittand25 wrote...
There is a difference between an option in the game and an option that requires to play a whole different game. The first creates replayability, the second rather drives away new customers and makes old costumers feel irritated.

What you said is only applicable to the LI part. And I beg to differ, a lot of people replayed ME1 to save Kaidan/Ashley/Wrex this time. How does an import choice drive away new customers and why should the old customers feel irritated for their favourite characters returning?

And as far as the fanboys go, they got over the fact that most of the ME1 crew was not on board again,

Nope. And their fanboys are significantly lesser than most of the rest of the characters'.

they got over the fact that the warden will not be in DA2 and they will get over it once it gets announced that the ME3 squad will be all new. there will be one or two though weeks, full of nerd rage and trolling and I already pity Mr. Priestly and Mr. Woo for having to deal with it, but the forums will calm down eventually and even most of the fanboys will purchase the game anyway.

But the forums have still not calmed down about the smallest changes!

Modifié par Phaedon, 05 février 2011 - 08:16 .

[DTKT]

I dont really know.



But to me, if Bioware decides to clean the slate, I'll be disappointed. I think they explored most of the alien archetypes during ME2. Sure, we didnt get an elcor and a volus but those dont really fit in a combat scenario.



If they decide to introduce 7-8 new characters, there is going to be an overlap between ME2 and ME3. It would feel like they did so just for the sake of novelty and difference It wont help the continuity or the overall feel of the universe. For example, if you started a relationship with Tali in ME2 and she is not an active squad member in ME3, it might just feel weird. You feel like you have no control over the situation.



The ME2 "clean-slate" made sense. You were out for 2 years and most had moved on. Kaiden/Ashley hated Cerberus and would not work with you. Wrex had his own people future to worry about.



Garrus/Tali/Joker were back and it made sense. I hope it's the same in ME3!



Removing all previous squadmembers would feel cheap.

[pmac_tk421]

While this would be time consuming, my hope is that they have a party replacement system. If a party member did not die on the suicide mission, they stay with. If they died, they get a replacement. example if tali died, have kal reeger take her place.

[sth128]

I bet at the beginning of ME3, a Reaper blows up Normandy 2 along with every squad member. Only Shepard, Joker, and EDI's AI core survive.



Then you spend the rest of the game fighting reapers with only your miniature giant space hamster, who will be instrumental in defeating all Reapers by GOING FOR THE EYES!!!

[Tasker]

The only ones that are potentially guaranteed a major role in ME3 are the Vermire survivor and Liara.

Everyone else can die, so unfortunately I have a horrible feeling that they're going to have really watered down cameo parts if they are included at all.

Which means we're probably going to have to go and do another bunch of bloody recruitment missions.

Modifié par Orkboy, 05 février 2011 - 08:34 .

[Rune-Chan]

This was pretty much the first major issue that I came up with once I finished Mass Effect 2.



Although I really want some of the team to return, I don't want them to be interchangeable characters like the Virmire Survivor.

[kalle90]

It will be a huge dissapointment if not everyone comes back (and ME2 Horizon style stuff doesn't count as coming back unless it happens with 1 or 2 people only)



But how about Lair of the Shadow Broker? If you complete it Liara is in different place than she is if you don't complete it.



I've said it before but I think it's a mess I doubt Bioware can overcome. They really should have focused on consistency and written the entire trilogy at once with all the possibilities. Almost all other game series have more consistency than ME although ME tries to be all about it

[SalsaDMA]

kalle90 wrote...
 They really should have focused on consistency and written the entire trilogy at once with all the possibilities.

Newsflash: They wrote the games from the start off as a trilogy. ME3's storyline was already planned before the first stroke of code was done on ME2.

This is ofc in broad perspective, as details will always be prone to changes during development, but the overall outline and major impacting events were outlined from the start off.