LobselVith8 wrote...
The Chantry controls the Circles throughout Thedas (save Tevinter) and they control the mages. Do I like that? No. Do I think it's morally right that armored drug addicts are in charge of men, women, and children? No. But the fact is that they can kill Wynne on their suspicions alone. No different than when the templars put a bounty on Morrigan in Witch Hunt (codex for the Orlesian Warden) because they think she's a blood mage...
We're venturing into a different topic than I intended to discuss. I am not intending to bring the Templars into the situation, and had already said that the Templars do not define by themselves what an abomination is: They may CONTROL much of Thedas with their influence, but that doesn't make them right in their decision; in fact I think in that very manner that makes them truly oppressiver, but that is beside the point. My point in discussing was what the LORE defined as an abomination, not the Chantry.
The templars can murder someone they suspect of being an illegal mage (like the Magnificent D'Sims, who was killed because he pretended to heal people). If you think the templars would make an exception in Wynne's case, you clearly don't understand that their perspective on mages is a very narrow one.
You're not trying to be offensive are you? I
DO clearly understand the Chantry in Thedas' today society has a backwards grasp on magic in general. But there is nothing more to talk about this either pretty much.
I don't hate Wynne, I had her with my moiety crew and engaged in conversation with her, told her I thought the Circle was a prison and an oppressive place, and she never contested either term. The fact that she goes to Tevinter to help Shale try to regain her mortality is the prime reason I have no issue in having her along, and I don't hate her. I do have qualms about the fact that she seems to criticize me all the frakking time, though. The scene where she tries to get the Warden killed over blood magic is something I hold against her character. It doesn't matter what she was thinking, she was trying to get the Warden killed.
Alright, that's cool... But whether or not you hate Wynne, which you say not, doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the fact that nothing from this situation of Wynne's makes any sense and yet I am the only person who feels the devs have COMPLETELY polarized her character in this decision. I don't expect Wynne to "like" you if she finds out you are a blood mage, but to kill you, even with the tower saved, is barbaric to my viewpoint on her nature. I understand your concern, I agree, but I swear this cannot be the way she is. I personally still believe Bio should have put in a persuasion option to tell Wynne to "be grateful anyone saved the tower" and "to not judge a book by its cover."
Please don't insert speculation as proof. You have no proof from the devs or the actual game that demonology is tied to blood magic. Avernus' comments about making the wrong calculations assert the idea that demonology is not about mind control, but spells. Niall's reference to demonology makes it clear that he sees it as seperate from blood magic. If you have proof otherwise, feel free to provide it.
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Lack of evidence to support a claim doesn't make it true. Just because people think it's true doesn't make it true, either. People think the Maker is real, that Andraste was His Divine Bride, but there's no proof to support this. It doesn't stop people from thinking it's true, though.
Ok ok ok.... I am sorry... I think I am confused.. Just
where is your source disclaiming all of the lore behind the dragonagewiki site? I understand wiki is not 100% accurate, I mean come on, it's wiki, but it is a very reliable source of information which fosters the vast majority of how players learn and understand the mechanics, lore, and other vital aspects immediately concerning the game we all know and love.
I do not recall any of the lore I have read up saying it was merely a rumor and not a fact. Only if I hear that a piece or lore is a "rumor" will I instantaneously believe you saying that nothing I say is true.
Now.. let's quickly go back to my question: IF you do have a source, a far more reliable and accurate one no less, I would like to see this. In fact, good sir, I welcome it, as I would probably use your source for my PC playthrough.
Wynne would know that only the Warden can unite the land against Loghain, though.
Why do you believe that she would know about the secret that only a Grey Warden can end a blight via the ultimate sacrifice? Take the First Blight for example, in case she DOES know. Sure it took 90 years for a Grey Warden to actually be the one to slay Dumat, but the previous "victories" did slow down the Blight. The point is that a Grey Warden can permanently end the Blight, but anyone can take down the immediate host of the Archdemon, thus reducing the threat of the Blight, and for this case buy time. Of course, outside of all this, there is always the fact that the secret is well protected that only a Grey Warden can permanently slay the Archdemon. It's much like the Joining; it prevents scared Wardens from trying to jump ship before their jobs are done.
Wynne has no idea WHY the GWs are the only ones who can save Ferelden, it is true. Just the same, if you look at some of her dialouge it is very clear that she believes this. As such, even if Wynne were wrong and anyone could permanently kill the Archdemon, she still chose to put her distaste of blood magic over what her own beliefs state is the only one who can save Ferelden after they just saved the Circle and Wynne's own life.
Ok I am back..
See, that's what I am trying to say! Of course legend says that only Grey Wardens can beat them, but not HOW! I am TRYING to tell you, and others perhaps, that it's not like having a non-Grey Warden cannot stall the Blight or cannot cause disastrous morale against the Darkspawn. There are to bound to be reinforcements anyways if the Blight is stalled.
And again with the bloody distaste statement........ Perhaps I was not clear with my statement earlier.. When I said that the blood mage Warden might be a spy, I did not mean for Uldred; that would destroy the very purpose of the Warden trying to get out of the tower, why it makes my head hurt trying to think of how those two should go together.
In fact, who he/she is a spy for doesn't really matter -- let's say Tevinter for example -- Don't you think Wynne would like to try and stop a Tevinter blood mage plot IF it were the case? I know we're talking ifs, but one can only speculate what kinds of threats Wynne might have been coming up with if the Warden had indeed deluded any form of just acts.
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