The Water God wrote...
ddv.rsa wrote...
Where does it say "as a result"?
hmm where does it say "the Tevinter mage Adralla researched a variety of fields, including demonic summoning..."
Modifié par ddv.rsa, 13 février 2011 - 05:12 .
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The Water God wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
The codex entry does not state that. The codex entry states: "Adralla of Vyrantium dedicated her life to the study of blood magic—the academic study, rather than the practice. A deeply pious mage, she was renowned in her day for having found a counter to every form of mind control, a defense against dream walkers, and even counter-spells to demonic summons." Clearly, it states she studied a variety of fields, including demonic summons; it doesn't state that demonology is tied to blood magic.
That still says that she studied blood magic and as a result found a way to counter mind control, dream walkers, and demonic summons.
The Water God wrote...
ddv.rsa wrote...
Where does it say "as a result"?
hmm where does it say "the Tevinter mage Adralla researched a variety of fields, including demonic summoning..."
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LobselVith8 wrote...
The Water God wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
The codex entry does not state that. The codex entry states: "Adralla of Vyrantium dedicated her life to the study of blood magic—the academic study, rather than the practice. A deeply pious mage, she was renowned in her day for having found a counter to every form of mind control, a defense against dream walkers, and even counter-spells to demonic summons." Clearly, it states she studied a variety of fields, including demonic summons; it doesn't state that demonology is tied to blood magic.
That still says that she studied blood magic and as a result found a way to counter mind control, dream walkers, and demonic summons.
In one sentence. In the following sentence, it mentions her study of various fields of magic.The Water God wrote...
ddv.rsa wrote...
Where does it say "as a result"?
hmm where does it say "the Tevinter mage Adralla researched a variety of fields, including demonic summoning..."
This line: "A deeply pious mage, she was renowned in her day for having found a counter to every form of mind control, a defense against dream walkers, and even counter-spells to demonic summons."
Modifié par The Water God, 15 février 2011 - 04:58 .
lost lupus wrote...
ok this seems as good a place as any is there ANY WAY to distroy andrastes ashes and have wynne remain in the party?
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LobselVith8 wrote...
I already stated the devs have said she isn't technically an abomination because she's bonded to a spirit, not a demon, but the templars would still label her an abomination and kill her. I agree that it doesn't make them right, but they have control over all the mages in the Andrastian nations (with the exception of Grey Wardens only). If they found out that Wynne was bonded to a spirit, they would label her to be an abomination and kill her. In terms of lore, we've been in agreement since the beginning - Wynne isn't technically an abomination by the fact that she's in a symbiotic relationship with a Spirit of Faith, not a demon.
How am I trying to disprove all the lore behind the DA Wiki by saying that no one has provided any proof tthat demonology is tied to blood magic? No one has provided any codex entry or dialogue from the storyline stating that demonology (the summoning of demons) is tied to blood magic.
I didn't assume she knew, and that doesn't address my statement at all. It's a Blight - Wynne is aware of this, and she's aware of the history behind the Wardens ending the Blights. She knows the Wardens were mostly killed at Ostagar, so why would she get one of the last two Wardens alive killed after saving the Circle? I know that you've addressed that you find this OOC for Wynne.
Do you think Wynne is going to play a role in DA2? I thought it might address the meeting of the Magi in Cumberland. I can't imagine what seems to be an important story point being ignored, but I could be wrong.
I don't understand why Wynne is so stubborn when it comes to the ashes. I mean shes not even pious and yet its impossible to talk her out of leaving/killing you like you can do with Leli.
Modifié par Bahlgan, 16 février 2011 - 08:30 .
The Water God wrote...
Dude NOWHERE do the words a VARIETY OF FIELDS pop up in the quote!!! The only form of magic mentioned is blood magic, thats it! There are no mentions of any other fields.
It says:
Dedicated her life to the study of blood magic. A deeply pious mage, she was renowned in her day for having found a counter to every form of mind control, a defense against dream walkers, and even counter-spells to demonic summons.
The codex only mentions her studying one form of magic: Blood magic and found a counter to mind control, a defense against dream walkers, and demonic summonings.
Why would it mention her finding a counter to demonic summonings if it has NOTHING to do with blood magic!
Bahlgan wrote...
Heh..... Well you actually might be right after all about spirits sometimes possessing bodies of mages (and perhaps the occasional non mage). Took a gander upon some DA2 info on the wiki and saw a pic or two of Anders and what seems to be him possessed by a spirit (says by Justice from Awakening). Though I see no forms of physical decrepitude from the union of the two, and I doubt that the spirit of Justice would force Anders to committ wrongdoing. After all, he is rightful, and I like him.
Bahlgan wrote...
My question is "can you prove that it is speculation". I do not see that the info posted on here is merely speculation. I do not see anything on these tidbits of lore that say something like "this is just a legend and has not yet been proven true" or "this is actually NOT true". Thus I take it for fact, and shall rest upon it until proven otherwise, Besides, no other form of magic actually practices it, certainly not creation or primal. The closest to exampling summoning is spiritual, as to it summons undead, but no demons.
Bahlgan wrote...
She is aware as much as I know that the Grey Wardens once owned Griffons and that they were the only ones to end Blights, but as my conversation with Sara goes, she doesn't know why. Nowhere does she mention of her being aware of the secrets including the joining or the ultimate sacrifice. She is not aware of any of it, otherwise she would certainly be spreading the word and too many would know to want to undergo the procedures anyhow. As far as the Circle goes, I have already repeated my answers to your question about why Wynne would want to kill the blood mage Warden saving the Circle, I will not repeat them again.
Bahlgan wrote...
She might, but then she would probably be mentioned in the same manner as Anders was. I heard the Chantry gets destroyed in the end of the second game, but it was just a rumor; whether or not it's actually true doesn't bother me. Then again, for all the oppressive Wynne haters, she might be an enemy in DA2 and people can even kill her because she represents a tyrannical Chantry in the Free Marches!!! Yay to all the single-minded Wynne haters!!
Bahlgan wrote...
I would be too if someone tried to destroy a holy relic which might benefit those in need of it. True though I would not try to ascertain to the extraordinary lengths of killing the one doing it; unless their survival was not ABSOLUTELY necessary to end a Blight. Let's try and compare the relic to our symbol of hope; would I let someone try and desecrate my dead mother's rosary if they got near it and if it meant the salvation of the universe? Sorry, paint me a bastard, but no one is touching my rosary!
Poor example perhaps: the connection was to try and make it something you look up to so passionately.
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