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[Giggles_Manically]

I really hated Wynne after my blood mage run.



GO BACK TO THE TOWER!

DUMP ZEVRAN!

OMG SHE IS A BLOOD MAGE GUYS!

LET ME TELL YOU HOW TO DO THIS STUFF!

OMG Anerin you must go back to the place where the Templars tried to kill you!

I dont want to, but you should go back to the tower and lead it!

THIS IS YOU DUTY!



Just.

SHUT

UP

you

old

hag.

[Xilizhra]

You installed the thing that let her figure out you were a blood mage?

[Aeowyn]

erilben wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I hate Wynne and I will always hate Wynne. Where her fans see her as some kind grandmother I see her as a preachy hypocritical hag who is an abomination. She calls it spirit, I call it demon, it's the same crap with a different name.

Demons possess the host. The spirt melded with Wynne. It's not the same thing just because you hate Wynne.

That's what she said, but I don't doubt that there's a pride demon possessing her. She cannot take critique. You lose a lot of approval with her if you disagree with her opinions. I mean seriously, telling her to shut up regarding blood magic in the Alienage gives you like -20 approval. wtf?
She is too proud.

[mousestalker]

Xilizhra wrote...

You installed the thing that let her figure out you were a blood mage?

Actually that leads to some of my favourite dialogue:

(Paraphrasing)

Wynne: She's like totally suspect and stuff. She does icky magic involving red coloured bodily fluids. And she's a cutter.
Irving: Don't the Grey Wardens have sekrit spellz?
Warden: That's it absolutely. I do sekrit Grey Warden spellz.
Wynne: But all the Wardens snuffed it at Ostagar and anyways they like only have one mage not named Avernus.
Irving: Don't they have like sekrit Grey Warden bookz?
Warden: That's it absolutely. When all the other wardens died they left me their sekrit books. Which I burnt after reading because they all had "Top Secret Grey Warden Stuff" on the cover. I did that before we met 'cause that's how I roll, b10tch.
Greagoir: That makes sense.
Irving: I can live with that.
Wynne: Never mind. Can I come with?

Modifié par mousestalker, 06 février 2011 - 06:46 .

[Xilizhra]

Aeowyn wrote...

erilben wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I hate Wynne and I will always hate Wynne. Where her fans see her as some kind grandmother I see her as a preachy hypocritical hag who is an abomination. She calls it spirit, I call it demon, it's the same crap with a different name.

Demons possess the host. The spirt melded with Wynne. It's not the same thing just because you hate Wynne.

That's what she said, but I don't doubt that there's a pride demon possessing her. She cannot take critique. You lose a lot of approval with her if you disagree with her opinions. I mean seriously, telling her to shut up regarding blood magic in the Alienage gives you like -20 approval. wtf?
She is too proud.

So the pride demon is having a quiet laugh at her expense while manipulating her emotions?

[Master Shiori]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

Really? She told me the story about the Wardens of old riding into battle on Griffons.

Really?!

OK, now I really hate her. <_<

[Zjarcal]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Forget it man, I like Wynne too but I refuse to engage with the blinkered people on here.

Stupid comment is stupid. <_<

[Zjarcal]

mousestalker wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You installed the thing that let her figure out you were a blood mage?

Actually that leads to some of my favourite dialogue:

(Paraphrasing)

Wynne: She's like totally suspect and stuff. She does icky magic involving red coloured bodily fluids. And she's a cutter.
Irving: Don't the Grey Wardens have sekrit spellz?
Warden: That's it absolutely. I do sekrit Grey Warden spellz.
Wynne: But all the Wardens snuffed it at Ostagar and anyways they like only have one mage not named Avernus.
Irving: Don't they have like sekrit Grey Warden bookz?
Warden: That's it absolutely. When all the other wardens died they left me their sekrit books. Which I burnt after reading because they all had "Top Secret Grey Warden Stuff" on the cover. I did that before we met 'cause that's how I roll, b10tch.
Greagoir: That makes sense.
Irving: I can live with that.
Wynne: Never mind. Can I come with?

Priceless as always mouse! 

[Sarah1281]

@mousestalker: Okay, that is amazing.

[MorGothic]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I really hated Wynne after my blood mage run.

GO BACK TO THE TOWER!
DUMP ZEVRAN!
OMG SHE IS A BLOOD MAGE GUYS!
LET ME TELL YOU HOW TO DO THIS STUFF!
OMG Anerin you must go back to the place where the Templars tried to kill you!
I dont want to, but you should go back to the tower and lead it!
THIS IS YOU DUTY!

Just.
SHUT
UP
you
old
hag.

mousestalker wrote...

Actually that leads to some of my favourite dialogue:

(Paraphrasing)

Wynne: She's like totally suspect and stuff. She does icky magic involving red coloured bodily fluids. And she's a cutter.
Irving: Don't the Grey Wardens have sekrit spellz?
Warden: That's it absolutely. I do sekrit Grey Warden spellz.
Wynne: But all the Wardens snuffed it at Ostagar and anyways they like only have one mage not named Avernus.
Irving: Don't they have like sekrit Grey Warden bookz?
Warden: That's
it absolutely. When all the other wardens died they left me their
sekrit books. Which I burnt after reading because they all had "Top
Secret Grey Warden Stuff" on the cover. I did that before we met 'cause
that's how I roll, b10tch.
Greagoir: That makes sense.
Irving: I can live with that.
Wynne: Never mind. Can I come with?

Both of these are Epic.

[Kappa Neko]

Wynne's my favorite character. How about that? I like Morrigan, too, though ^^

You guys realize that all of the characters (except maybe Alistair) hate you for disagreeing with them, right?

I don't understand why everybody calls Wynne a hypocrite. Just because she thinks she knows better doesn't mean she's a hypocrite. Preaching something and doing something are two different things. But it's possible to believe what you preach and yet fail to live up to it, you know. Not willing to accept a different opinion is her flaw, yes. And I actually like her more for that because it makes her human. A lot of people who walk on moral high ground are like that.

Well, to be fair, I don't know if I would like the young Wynne. Even before she told the story of her first apprentice you could tell that she must have been a very strict teacher once. But that's what I like about her, she acknowledges that old age has mellowed her. She does not pretend to have always been the wise advisor. Her arrogance told her a few harsh lessons and she accepts these failures. Besides the older you get the less you listen to others *g* To me at least Wynne is one of the more believable characters. That harsh side to her personality balances it against what would otherwise have been a very dull sweet old lady.



About her telling you to accept your fate: I understood it as referring specifically to being a Warden. I played as an elf and didn't feel offended by this at all. I thought she meant to say that you should accept your talents and the destiny this entails. Be it becoming a Warden or being born as a mage. I don't think this includes accepting racial discrimination, though. She is, however, much more accepting of social and institutional structures than say Morrigan, that's true. In the end she accepted being imprisoned in the Circle. Wynne believes in doing good within the limitations put upon her by the Circle and the Chantry. She works with society and not against it like Morrigan. I respect both mindsets.

I've yet to see more of Wynne's harsh side because I played nice with her. Or rather I simply truly agreed with her a lot. On my first playthrough I chose answers I myself would have chosen. Wynne loves my real life personality most of all the companions :0) Followed by Leliana and Alistair. I pissed off Sten, Zevran, Oghren...and Morrigan, too, even though I like her sarcasm a lot.



Anyway, Wynne fan and proud of it!

[dbfandillyjam]

The only real problem I have with her is when she trys to lecture my Warden about their relationship with Zev. She goes on and on about duty and saving the world. For my Wardens (especially if they're a mage) they see what they have with Zev is something worth saving, protecting. If it weren't for meeting Zev my Wardens wouldn't see the point of saving the world. So that's why I never bother talking to her.

[Zjarcal]

Kappa Neko wrote...
But it's possible to believe what you preach and yet fail to live up to it, you know. Not willing to accept a different opinion is her flaw, yes. And I actually like her more for that because it makes her human.!

And here we go again with this argument.

So because her flaws make her "human" I have to like her? All the characters in the game are realistic and "human" (or "elven",  "dwarven", "qunari"... "golem"?), thus they have flaws. Maybe I'll learn to live with such flaws or maybe not, but just because it makes them "human" doesn't meant they have to be liked by everyone.

[Giggles_Manically]

[Kappa Neko]

Zjarcal wrote...

Kappa Neko wrote...
But it's possible to believe what you preach and yet fail to live up to it, you know. Not willing to accept a different opinion is her flaw, yes. And I actually like her more for that because it makes her human.!

And here we go again with this argument.

So because her flaws make her "human" I have to like her? All the characters in the game are realistic and "human" (or "elven",  "dwarven", "qunari"... "golem"?), thus they have flaws. Maybe I'll learn to live with such flaws or maybe not, but just because it makes them "human" doesn't meant they have to be liked by everyone.

Uhm, *I* like her more because of this. You guys go ahead and hate her. I can perfectly well understand why some people might not like her. I was simply stating the reason I like her...
Yes, all the characters have flaws. Not so sure about realistic. You can like somebody more  because of their flaws or less. I like Leliana less for hers.

[Zjarcal]

Kappa Neko wrote...

Uhm, *I* like her more because of this. You guys go ahead and hate her. I can perfectly well understand why some people might not like her. I was simply stating the reason I like her...
Yes, all the characters have flaws. Not so sure about realistic. You can like somebody more  because of their flaws or less. I like Leliana less for hers.

I just keep hearing the "x flaw makes the character more human" argument over and over again, as if the characters being human means that they have to be likable.

[Sarah1281]

I don't understand why everybody calls Wynne a hypocrite.

Wynne asks to leave the Tower to go travelling with the Warden. Irving says that they need her at the Tower and she still insists on leaving. She has also been asked to be First Enchanter but doesn't want the job. Wynne tells the Warden that nothing is more important than being a Warden. Wynne tells the mage Warden that, despite th is, after the Blight she expects said Warden to go back to the Tower because the Circle needs the Warden. Wynne tells Aneirin who is finally happy and who the templars tried to murder and who might try to kill again on sight that he should go back to the Tower because the Circle needs him. I feel that someone who ignores the fact that the Circle needs her and yet goes off telling other mages (especially the Warden who she's already told will always have important Warden things to do) that they are needed by the Circle is a hypocrite.

[Kappa Neko]

@ Zjarcal

Lol, not at all. More interesting then perhaps? In Wynne's case, yes, I like her for her flaws. But I didn't mean to say that coming across more human (=realistic?) equals likable. Actually a lot of what makes us human is not pretty at all! Wynne's flaws are quite unattractive. Don't get me wrong. They do not make her personality more likable, just likable as a character if that makes any sense...

Modifié par Kappa Neko, 06 février 2011 - 08:57 .

[Kappa Neko]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't understand why everybody calls Wynne a hypocrite.

Wynne asks to leave the Tower to go travelling with the Warden. Irving says that they need her at the Tower and she still insists on leaving. She has also been asked to be First Enchanter but doesn't want the job. Wynne tells the Warden that nothing is more important than being a Warden. Wynne tells the mage Warden that, despite th is, after the Blight she expects said Warden to go back to the Tower because the Circle needs the Warden. Wynne tells Aneirin who is finally happy and who the templars tried to murder and who might try to kill again on sight that he should go back to the Tower because the Circle needs him. I feel that someone who ignores the fact that the Circle needs her and yet goes off telling other mages (especially the Warden who she's already told will always have important Warden things to do) that they are needed by the Circle is a hypocrite.

Yes, she leaves because she believes that joining the Warden is - for the moment - more important. No? She thinks the Circle can spare her. I don't see that as a contradiction.

[Giggles_Manically]

Wynne also does not go back after the Blight is done and heads off to see the world.

[Sarah1281]

Kappa Neko wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't understand why everybody calls Wynne a hypocrite.

Wynne asks to leave the Tower to go travelling with the Warden. Irving says that they need her at the Tower and she still insists on leaving. She has also been asked to be First Enchanter but doesn't want the job. Wynne tells the Warden that nothing is more important than being a Warden. Wynne tells the mage Warden that, despite th is, after the Blight she expects said Warden to go back to the Tower because the Circle needs the Warden. Wynne tells Aneirin who is finally happy and who the templars tried to murder and who might try to kill again on sight that he should go back to the Tower because the Circle needs him. I feel that someone who ignores the fact that the Circle needs her and yet goes off telling other mages (especially the Warden who she's already told will always have important Warden things to do) that they are needed by the Circle is a hypocrite.

Yes, she leaves because she believes that joining the Warden is - for the moment - more important. No? She thinks the Circle can spare her. I don't see that as a contradiction.

What about after the Blight is over and she expects the mage Warden to return to the Tower? Does she ever go back and accept the post of First Enchanter or does she always stay outside of the Tower? Whenever I talk to her, she's staying at court, travelling alone, or going to Tevinter with Shale.

And then, of course, there's the 'I firmly believe that GWs are the most important people ever during a Blight and only they can end this. Nothing could ever be more important than going with you...unless you 'destroy people's hope' by pouring blood on ashes no one will ever know was found in which case I'm either going to try to kill you or outright abandon you. Or if I just really don't like you. But at least if I just hate you then I won't actively root for the darkspawn so that's something.'

I know that destorying the Urn is hardly the moral thing to do but I think trying to kill what she's already identified as Ferelden's only hope after the Urn is already destroyed is a bit much and showing that, unlike what she advised the Warden, there are things she puts above ending the Blight.

[Kappa Neko]

Oh yeah, there was that... Probably decided "The hell with it, I'm gonna die soon anyway" ^^ Ok, this IS a contradiction alright!

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Damn, now I understand Zevran's obsession with that bossom. 

[Eshaye]

I don't get the whole preachy thing, she's concerned you're going to make the same 'mistake' she herself made around your age. That's what I got out of it, she wants to avoid pain for the warden and whoever they are involved in, until you convince her otherwise.

I thought the whole thing was quite realistic and she reminded me of actual older people I've known. I love the Wynne

edit: I imagine Wynne would get on your nerves if you play the 'evil' card and does things she disaproves, but that's why she's a great character. Just like Anora, I hate her but like the fact she's written to be seen completely differently depending on how you handle her. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 06 février 2011 - 10:37 .

[antigravitycat]

It seems some (many?) enjoy hating too much?



Anyway, playing a mage warden Wynne never said so far she wanted to go back to the Circle, just that she is undecided, also not that she wants the warden (my mage in this case) to go back. I don't quite get that hypocrite accusation.

Another thing mentioned was her antipathy to blood magic, well no wonder after most of the Cirlce was wiped out and most killed by it.

Ingame when the player decides to be a blood mage you just press a button and that's it. RP wise there is more behind it, many mages thirsting for more power and killing other ppl for that isn't what I call acceptable.