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[Bahlgan]

Alot of people hating Wynne without willing to admit she may mean well with trying to give the Warden advice. Sure she can be known to be preachy at many an occasion. Compared to what most other companions have been known to have heavily committed, Wynne seems to have a minor problem.

It has been rumored Sten has slaughtered an entire family or two of farmers and irrigation managers for fear of losing his SWORD.

Zevran slit the throat of the one partner in his life over his prior mission to his attempt at slaying the two Wardens.

Loghain handed thousands of willing recruits of the King's army, including the KING, to a massive pool of swarming, heating, filthy Darkspawn, and, as far as I am concerned, shows no signs of sorrow for his "sacrifice".

Wynne can definitely get preachy at times, but the most she has ever done with that attitude of hers has gotten me to want to separate from her. She has too much in her when trying to help out my Warden, and as one who has a high tolerance find no problem with her unless she were to cross the line with my character. The only one time I ever got annoyed at her nagging behavior was when she gave me disapproval for choosing to romance Morrigan. Fortunately when I explained my reasoning with her she seemed to listen.

I find Wynne to be rather alright really. Don't hate! Try out some tea!

Modifié par Bahlgan, 07 février 2011 - 09:34 .

[Bigdoser]

Bahlgan wrote...

Alot of people hating Wynne without willing to admit she may mean well with trying to give the Warden advice. Sure she can be known to be preachy at many an occasion. Compared to what most other companions have been known to have heavily committed, Wynne seems to have a minor problem.

It has been rumored Sten has slaughtered an entire family or two of farmers and irrigation managers for fear of losing his SWORD.

Zevran slit the throat of the one partner in his life over his prior mission to his attempt at slaying the two Wardens.

Loghain handed thousands of willing recruits of the King's army, including the KING, to a massive pool of swarming, heating, filthy Darkspawn, and, as far as I am concerned, shows no signs of sorrow for his "sacrifice".

Wynne can definitely get preachy at times, but the most she has ever done with that attitude of hers has gotten me to want to separate from her. She has too much in her when trying to help out my Warden, and as one who has a high tolerance find no problem with her unless she were to cross the line with my character. The only one time I ever got annoyed at her nagging behavior was when she gave me disapproval for choosing to romance Morrigan. Fortunately when I explained my reasoning with her she seemed to listen.

I find Wynne to be rather alright really. Don't hate! Try out some tea!

You can't compare human culture to qunari culture the very fact that sten lost his sword means that he can NEVER EVER go home until he finds it and finding a sword on a country during a civil war and a blight? Good luck with that but thanks to pc plot powers you find the sword.

[Verly]

Zevran did NOT slit the throat of Rinna. Talisan did. He did mock her though and let him do it. This also lead to him trying to commit suicide by gray warden.

he does like being an assassin though and doesn't see himself doing anything else. (I don't see this is a bad thing) He's a terrible flirt and make a lot of dirty jokes.



seriously though, if people do not like Wynn they don't have to. Just as people can not like Zevran even though I think he's the best companion of the bunch.

[nos_astra]

Verly wrote...
Zevran did NOT slit the throat of Rinna. Talisan did. He did mock her though and let him do it. This also lead to him trying to commit suicide by gray warden.

Doesn't this sound like a well written character?

I prefer Wynne. Her flaws and strengths are well balanced and make sense. Zevran's do not (well, not for me).

[nos_astra]

Bigdoser wrote...
You can't compare human culture to qunari culture the very fact that sten lost his sword means that he can NEVER EVER go home until he finds it and finding a sword on a country during a civil war and a blight? Good luck with that but thanks to pc plot powers you find the sword.

Sten lost his sword. Isn't he all for accepting fate? Isn't his culture all about the strength of mind and controlling your emotions? And killed a few people. Being punished for this is part of his culture, a culture many think is totally cool and badass.

It's nice (sort of) that he admits his crime, but like Alistair said: He doesn't regret it in the same sense as we might think.

So no. Sten certainly doesn't get a free pass from me. I understand Wynne a lot more than I could ever understand Sten (which is fine, working as intended).

[Aeowyn]

Sten regrets that he lost control over his emotions. That's his biggest issue. Considering Zevran's background I can understand his reasoning and regrets as well. They admit their flaws.

Wynne never does. She is aware that she is preaching a lot, but still she never stops. Not even when you ask her to. Seriously woman. Honestly, the only one who can tell her to shut up is Loghain.

[Ninotchka]

Aeowyn wrote...

I used to like Wynne once. Then I just realized what a huge hypocrite she was. The fact that you get disapproval points if you don't agree with her OPINIONS (yes, her opinions, not fact) and that she, when she's reached the point where she leaves says "I hope the darkspawn take you" should show you what she's really like. Wynne, the sweet old grandma, hopes that the only Wardens in Ferelden get taken by the darkspawn just because she doesn't like the way that Grey Warden acts.

I've never had Wynne's approval so low that I've experienced her leaving my party voluntarily and telling me that she hoped the darkspawn took me. lol. That's such a laughable insult to boot.

However, when compared to, for instance, how erratic Zevran's approval can be if your conversations with him go a little awry and the fact that if your approval with him is'nt above 60 or so (? not exactly sure) by the time you're about to do Landsmeet, he will show (wtf) up, betray and attempt kill you and your party, I think I'll take Wynne complete with her nagging, her unwelcomed/unwarranted opinions and her hypocrisy over Zevran any day.

Regardless of the fact that he's a professional assassin, I don't feel I should have to have his approval so high to guarantee he doesn't betray/try to kill me and my party. His loyalty hangup is what probably makes his character unique, but personally, I don't care for it because I just don't really care about him.

At the end of the day though, it all depends on our own personalities (or our RP'ed characters) and how they get along with certain party members. I can't explain it or perhaps to some justify it well but I just adore Wynne, faults and all.

[sleepingbelow]

Modifié par sleepingbelow, 07 février 2011 - 11:28 .

[jaikss]

Personally I thought the Guardians question was pretty spot on for her,ie. "spouting only platitudes burned into your mind in distant pasts".Not that the said platitudes cant be occasionally accurate ofcourse,but hearing her preach about duty while shes preparing to go travel around the world does give a ..."mild" sence of hypocrisy .

Also yeah the deleted blood mage scene in the tower was pretty obnoxious

Wynne:"So yeah thank you ever so much for helping me save that which I treasure more than anything Warden!Oh,Hello Gregoir.BTW our savior did some magicz I didnt recognize,CULL HIM GREGOIR!"

[MorGothic]

Ninotchka wrote...


I've never had Wynne's approval so low that I've experienced her leaving my party voluntarily and telling me that she hoped the darkspawn took me. lol. That's such a laughable insult to boot.

You do know how a Broodmother is created, right?

That's what Wynne, wishes on a female Warden, I'd hardly call that laughable.

However, when compared to, for instance, how erratic Zevran's approval can be if your conversations with him go a little awry and the fact that if your approval with him is'nt above 60 or so (? not exactly sure) by the time you're about to do Landsmeet, he will show (wtf) up, betray and attempt kill you and your party, I think I'll take Wynne complete with her nagging, her unwelcomed/unwarranted opinions and her hypocrisy over Zevran any day.

Regardless of the fact that he's a professional assassin, I don't feel I should have to have his approval so high to guarantee he doesn't betray/try to kill me and my party. His loyalty hangup is what probably makes his character unique, but personally, I don't care for it because I just don't really care about him.

I belive it's around 30ish (I want to say < 24 for some reason (?)).

Alot of the time when people don't like a character they simple don't use them / talk to them, being betrayed by Zevran is a good example of this; if you give him no reason to be loyal to you, why should he? 

Wynne (imo) is different, it's her nagging, her unwelcomed/unwarranted opinions and her hypocrisy that makes her interesting, even if that interest is directed as dislike (or hate) for her.

Modifié par MorGothic, 07 février 2011 - 12:32 .

[Persephone]

Aeowyn wrote...

Sten regrets that he lost control over his emotions. That's his biggest issue. Considering Zevran's background I can understand his reasoning and regrets as well. They admit their flaws.
Wynne never does. She is aware that she is preaching a lot, but still she never stops. Not even when you ask her to. Seriously woman. Honestly, the only one who can tell her to shut up is Loghain.

And I love him for it!!! Playing RTO with those two....Hah!!! Much better than Cougar Wynne hitting on Alistair before deciding what to do with Cailan's remains.

[Xilizhra]

You do know how a Broodmother is created, right?



That's what Wynne, wishes on a female Warden, I'd hardly call that laughable.

Does Wynne? She knows less about darkspawn than the Warden. Though the implications are disturbing.

[shatteredstar56]

Persephone wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Sten regrets that he lost control over his emotions. That's his biggest issue. Considering Zevran's background I can understand his reasoning and regrets as well. They admit their flaws.
Wynne never does. She is aware that she is preaching a lot, but still she never stops. Not even when you ask her to. Seriously woman. Honestly, the only one who can tell her to shut up is Loghain.

And I love him for it!!! Playing RTO with those two....Hah!!! Much better than Cougar Wynne hitting on Alistair before deciding what to do with Cailan's remains.

Laughable at first, disturbing for the rest. Wynne was a good character until she starts telling you what being a  Grey Warden means and bla bla bla.
It's way awesome to put her and Morrigan in the same party and listen to Morrigan shut her ass down.

[Kappa Neko]

Aeowyn wrote...

Sten regrets that he lost control over his emotions. That's his biggest issue. Considering Zevran's background I can understand his reasoning and regrets as well. They admit their flaws.
Wynne never does.

No? Then what is the whole story about Aneirin about?? Her problem is not that she doesn't admit mistakes and character flaws, it's not realizing that she might be repeating these mistakes. Because she  thinks she's learned her lesson. She believes to know what's best for the Warden, as she believed to know how to teach Aneirin. Only now she's doing it in a different more gentle way. So yeah, I get why people don't like her trying to dictate your life. It's just that I think she's often right in what she says. I don't even mind her telling me to break up with Alistair. Because, again, I do get her point. Besides, she's probably never been in love like that. So of course it's easy for her to say such a cold thing. She does apologize, too.

Since we Wynne fans are getting beaten for bringing up certain arguments over and over, let me say I still don't get why she is disliked for disapproving of everything she' disagrees about. As I said before, ALL the characters are like that! Would somebody please explain to me why Wynne is worse than the others? You cannot make them change their attitude. Even in Mass Effect, the only one you can actually change is Garrus.
I screwed up with Sten right at the beginning during the conversation about mages. I was playing a mage and told him that he's being narrow minded He disapproved of EVERYTHING I did story-wise and stopped talking to me early on. Same with Zev. Brushed him off when he hit on me. Ouh, didn't like that! Told him his attitude towards killing disgusted me No more talking to Zev early on in the game. Plus he was the only one who tried to kill me (which actually makes sense given his personality). And don't get me started on Morrigan. Talking to that woman is like walking a mine field! I had to reload a lot because I couldn't even tease her a little like Alistair. SO easily offended Alistair is very pissed when you don't handle Connor right.
So? How is Wynne worse?

[Xilizhra]

As I said before, ALL the characters are like that!

Sten prefers it if you stand your ground when talking to him, Leliana approves for calling her out on her attitude towards elves/dwarves (and I don't think she disapproves if you disagree with her about the Maker as long as you don't call her philosophy stupid), Alistair enjoys your teasing...

I don't dislike Wynne as a person all that much, but I wish she'd let me be right about things aside from the romance question.

[USArmyParatrooper]

jaikss wrote...

Personally I thought the Guardians question was pretty spot on for her,ie. "spouting only platitudes burned into your mind in distant pasts".Not that the said platitudes cant be occasionally accurate ofcourse,but hearing her preach about duty while shes preparing to go travel around the world does give a ..."mild" sence of hypocrisy .

Also yeah the deleted blood mage scene in the tower was pretty obnoxious

Wynne:"So yeah thank you ever so much for helping me save that which I treasure more than anything Warden!Oh,Hello Gregoir.BTW our savior did some magicz I didnt recognize,CULL HIM GREGOIR!

Personally I really do only see it as mild hypocrisy for two reasons. First, she's old and she had already given her entire life to the Circle. I don't think it's fair to yell "hypocrit!" when she wants to live her last few weeks or months doing something different. In my ending, those last days are spent helping Shale - which means she spent her last days helping others. But also she did ask permission from the First Enchanter. It's not like she said, "screw the circle" and just did her own thing.

With that being said, I completely disagree with the whole idea of the Circle of Magi and I disagree with Wynne's blind support of that organization.

[MorGothic]

Xilizhra wrote...

You do know how a Broodmother is created, right?

That's what Wynne, wishes on a female Warden, I'd hardly call that laughable.

Does Wynne? She knows less about darkspawn than the Warden. Though the implications are disturbing.

Even if  Wynne doesn't know, it's well known that Darkspawn eat people...

Either way it's a horrible thing to say.

[nos_astra]

MorGothic wrote...
Even if  Wynne doesn't know, it's well known that Darkspawn eat people...

Either way it's a horrible thing to say.

I think, it's the equivalent of "devil take you". Something that is said in anger, without giving it much thought.

Nothing extraordinarily horrible.

[errant_knight]

klarabella wrote...

MorGothic wrote...
Even if  Wynne doesn't know, it's well known that Darkspawn eat people...

Either way it's a horrible thing to say.

I think, it's the equivalent of "devil take you". Something that is said in anger, without giving it much thought.

Nothing extraordinarily horrible.

Yes, It's Wynne's way of saying 'eff you--totally.' Mainly I came by to say that darkspawn don't eat people, though. They don't eat anything at all, according to David Gaider. Rend, mutilate, dismember, yes. Eat, no.

[Sarah1281]

klarabella wrote...

MorGothic wrote...
Even if  Wynne doesn't know, it's well known that Darkspawn eat people...

Either way it's a horrible thing to say.

I think, it's the equivalent of "devil take you". Something that is said in anger, without giving it much thought.

Nothing extraordinarily horrible.

I think it would be if you knew the devil was real and were off to go try and stop him from destroying the world.

[Giggles_Manically]

That is like saying in Firefly: I hope the Reavers take you.



Not a good thing to say.

[nos_astra]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I think it would be if you knew the devil was real and were off to go try and stop him from destroying the world.

Considering that the Darkspawn once antagonized the Maker (says the Chantry), I think it still applies.
It's a figure of speech rather than the genuine wish a fate worse than death may befall you.

[Giggles_Manically]

Do her VO notes expand on that line at all?

[Costin_Razvan]

I don't hate Wynne. I tolerate her...barely.

[Amazon Queen]

Kappa Neko wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Sten regrets that he lost control over his emotions. That's his biggest issue. Considering Zevran's background I can understand his reasoning and regrets as well. They admit their flaws.
Wynne never does.

No? Then what is the whole story about Aneirin about?? Her problem is not that she doesn't admit mistakes and character flaws, it's not realizing that she might be repeating these mistakes. Because she  thinks she's learned her lesson. She believes to know what's best for the Warden, as she believed to know how to teach Aneirin. Only now she's doing it in a different more gentle way. So yeah, I get why people don't like her trying to dictate your life. It's just that I think she's often right in what she says. I don't even mind her telling me to break up with Alistair. Because, again, I do get her point. Besides, she's probably never been in love like that. So of course it's easy for her to say such a cold thing. She does apologize, too.

Since we Wynne fans are getting beaten for bringing up certain arguments over and over, let me say I still don't get why she is disliked for disapproving of everything she' disagrees about. As I said before, ALL the characters are like that! Would somebody please explain to me why Wynne is worse than the others? You cannot make them change their attitude. Even in Mass Effect, the only one you can actually change is Garrus.
I screwed up with Sten right at the beginning during the conversation about mages. I was playing a mage and told him that he's being narrow minded He disapproved of EVERYTHING I did story-wise and stopped talking to me early on. Same with Zev. Brushed him off when he hit on me. Ouh, didn't like that! Told him his attitude towards killing disgusted me No more talking to Zev early on in the game. Plus he was the only one who tried to kill me (which actually makes sense given his personality). And don't get me started on Morrigan. Talking to that woman is like walking a mine field! I had to reload a lot because I couldn't even tease her a little like Alistair. SO easily offended Alistair is very pissed when you don't handle Connor right.
So? How is Wynne worse?

I think thats a good sum up of Wynne. Shes a teacher who doesn't have the capacity to learn, reflect or empathise. A very bad person to be a mentor.
And I wouldn't say shes worse than the other characters, just much more annoying. I certainly find her more admirable than Zev or Morrigan, I just wish she'd stayed in her ivory tower. All the other characters had moments when I felt for them (well except the obligatory comic relief dwarf). I  could never warm to Wynne.

edit; And the other difference between Wynne and the other characters is that they like or dislike your character based on who they are. Wynne tries to mould your character into who she thinks they should be

Modifié par Amazon Queen, 07 février 2011 - 05:06 .