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[IanPolaris]

Ninotchka wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

That's what I resent about Wynne.  Her open hypocrisy AND the fact she will kill the party at the drop of a hat far more often than any other character.

-Polaris

Perhaps she is hypocritical, but she most certainly does not attempt to kill your Warden and the party 'at the drop of the hat' without right type of provocation. If you do happen get along with and agree with her at certain critical points in the story, she's never a threat.

I don't know why you should assume that any other player might disagree with Wynne in-game as much as you did.

OK, let's review them (and it is a fact that Wynne has the potential to go aggro on the party more than any other NPCs).

1.  If you threaten to go foward with the Right of Annulment even after Wynne tries to talk you down.  (This is quite arguably provocation and is understandable, but you are given legal sanction by the Templars to do an annulment.)

2.  If Wynne discovers that Morrigan is an apostate that doesn't want the circle to be preserved, Wynne will automagically go aggro on the party even in the presence of children.  This is inexusable.  Morrigan has her opinions but the Grey Warden gets the final say and all the Grey Warden said was "perhaps are right".   Not cool Wynne.  At the very least, it's not up to Wynne to demand to join the party or be forced to kill her.

3.  Cullen may have been tortured and may hate mages, but from his perspective he makes a very telling and very reasonable case especially considering that Uldred and his abominations are openly using mind-control magic.  It's very reasonable for a Grey Warden to say, "Kill 'em all; it's the only way to be sure" which is really the crux of Cullen's position.  If you take that position, Wynne tries to kill you but she doesn't if you fail to use the Litany of Adralla or state to Uldred that you will kill everyone up there.  That's the sort of hypocrisy I am talking about.

3a.  Although not an aggro point, I find it intensely annoying that Wynne tries to claim almost all of the credit for saving Irving when she wouldn't have made it two rooms past her barrier without the Grey Warden...and shows shocking incompetance in the Fade.

4.  If you are a bloodmage WHO SAVED THE CIRCLE, she will try to get you killed by the Templars and puts both the Templars and Circle in needless jeapordy.  She WON'T do that if you annulled the circle.  You need to watch that scene to believe just how sorry and hypocritical Wynne is as a person.

5.  Wynne goes through a lot to say just how important Grey Wardens are to Thedas and Feredlan, yet she would condemn Fereldan to the Darskspawn because you contiminate some 1000 year old ashes.  Please.  Leaving the party, sure.  Going Aggro?  No.

That's enough I think.

-Polaris

[antigravitycat]

Well, perception differs. I agree that asking the Warden does by itself still comply with Morrigan's straight philosophy of acting. But I was referring to my Warden, maybe I should have underlined that more, with whom Morrigan does almost always disagree and criticizes him - then turning to him and asking if he would mind risking his own life killing Flemeth. This is in the context of my Warden indeed hypocritical, as it is completely contrary to her former acting towards my Warden and turning away from her line.

And I disagree with the decision of my Warden being sad and foolish when still helping Morrigan although their standpoints differ. If he would deny her plea for help he would actually be more following Morrigan's own philosophy, but he is true to his own "chaotic good" alignment (btw. I really miss the alignment feature known from D&D in this game lol). Taking out Flemeth - by itself, apart from Morrigan's request - is also a choice that fits a chaotic good character I think.

[Ninotchka]

IanPolaris wrote...

Ninotchka wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

That's what I resent about Wynne.  Her open hypocrisy AND the fact she will kill the party at the drop of a hat far more often than any other character.

-Polaris

Perhaps she is hypocritical, but she most certainly does not attempt to kill your Warden and the party 'at the drop of the hat' without right type of provocation. If you do happen get along with and agree with her at certain critical points in the story, she's never a threat.

I don't know why you should assume that any other player might disagree with Wynne in-game as much as you did.

OK, let's review them (and it is a fact that Wynne has the potential to go aggro on the party more than any other NPCs).

1.  If you threaten to go foward with the Right of Annulment even after Wynne tries to talk you down.  (This is quite arguably provocation and is understandable, but you are given legal sanction by the Templars to do an annulment.)

2.  If Wynne discovers that Morrigan is an apostate that doesn't want the circle to be preserved, Wynne will automagically go aggro on the party even in the presence of children.  This is inexusable.  Morrigan has her opinions but the Grey Warden gets the final say and all the Grey Warden said was "perhaps are right".   Not cool Wynne.  At the very least, it's not up to Wynne to demand to join the party or be forced to kill her.

3.  Cullen may have been tortured and may hate mages, but from his perspective he makes a very telling and very reasonable case especially considering that Uldred and his abominations are openly using mind-control magic.  It's very reasonable for a Grey Warden to say, "Kill 'em all; it's the only way to be sure" which is really the crux of Cullen's position.  If you take that position, Wynne tries to kill you but she doesn't if you fail to use the Litany of Adralla or state to Uldred that you will kill everyone up there.  That's the sort of hypocrisy I am talking about.

3a.  Although not an aggro point, I find it intensely annoying that Wynne tries to claim almost all of the credit for saving Irving when she wouldn't have made it two rooms past her barrier without the Grey Warden...and shows shocking incompetance in the Fade.

4.  If you are a bloodmage WHO SAVED THE CIRCLE, she will try to get you killed by the Templars and puts both the Templars and Circle in needless jeapordy.  She WON'T do that if you annulled the circle.  You need to watch that scene to believe just how sorry and hypocritical Wynne is as a person.

5.  Wynne goes through a lot to say just how important Grey Wardens are to Thedas and Feredlan, yet she would condemn Fereldan to the Darskspawn because you contiminate some 1000 year old ashes.  Please.  Leaving the party, sure.  Going Aggro?  No.

That's enough I think.

-Polaris

Again, you not only repeat your points, compelling as they may be , you disregard the fact that I (or any other player out there) might actually :

1) never go for the Right of Annulment - I always want to save the Circle of Magi
2) agree with Wynne that Morrigan is an apostate and should be destroyed I would absolutely love for that to be an option

3a) not side with the paranoid templars (especially that cute, uptight, nutcase Cullen who needs to be laid pronto) who have temporarily been uber spooked beyond all rationality and want to save any remaining innocents (mages)

3b) annoying schmoying, all of the other companions have their "annoying" moments

4) never be a bloodmage who saved the circle, and perhaps I never want to be, because perhaps I like to play a goody-two-shoe type of non-apostate blood magic practicing mage. That's my decision to make, it's not exactly compulsory for all mages to learn Blood Magic.

5) never contaminate the Urn of Sacred Ashes, so this is, again, not an issue for my warden

Does this surprise you?

Modifié par Ninotchka, 08 février 2011 - 10:43 .

[Collider]

I had no idea Wynne was so hated. She felt largely like a non-entity to me. But then I have heaps of discussion on my forum about her.



Some things I'd like to put into context. Wynne had just defeated a demon when you meet her in the Mage Tower. The mage Tower had been taken over by the traitor Uldred. Apostates have a bad reputation, and are not subject to the same rules against blood magic as the Circle mages are. It doesn't excuse Wynne, but I can understand why she would be paranoid.



It was strange that Wynne acted like she was so knowledgeable about the grey wardens, though. She is old, as she frequently reminds you, but those years still didn't remove the illusion that the grey wardens were all heroes who were supposed to be paragons of virtue.

[IanPolaris]

Ninotchka wrote...

Again, you not only repeat your points, compelling as they may be , you disregard the fact that I (or any other player out there) might actually :

1) never go for the Right of Annulment - I always want to save the Circle of Magi

I don't disregard it.  However, the Rite of Annulment if we are playing in character is a reasonable starting position for an Elven or Human non-mage character since everyone 'knows' how dangerous abominations are, and the Templars did give you explicit permission.

Wynne being a Senior Enchanter should know that and be in full grovel mode the moment she figures out the Templars sent you.  That said, I generally want to save the mages too regardless, but starting out with the intention to annul the tower from a non-mage PC PoV is not unreasonable.

2) agree with Wynne that Morrigan is an apostate and should be destroyed I would absolutely love for that to be an option

A lot of us respect Morrigan, and that doesn't even count the fact that Morrigan is a much better mage mechanically than Wynne ever will be.  The only think Wynne has going for her is the Spirit Healer Spec and it's not *that* good (esp not when you can give it to Morri as well).  In short, you don't like Morrigan.  Fine, but that's far from a given or universal.

3a) not side with the paranoid templars (especially that cute, uptight, nutcase Cullen who needs to be laid pronto) who have temporarily been uber spooked beyond all rationality and want to save any remaining innocents (mages)

Cullen is a paranoid nutcase, but objectively he's also right.  Given that Uldred has mind-control magic and apparently CAN torture mages enough to force them to become abominations, and given that his shadowcircle hid for years or even longer, you CAN'T be sure you've elminated the revolt unless you kill every living thing up there.  Personally I think it's worth the risk not to esp with the Litany of Adralla, but I can easily see the other side of the argument and so should Wynne especially given her antipathy towards bloodmagic and mindcontrol magic.  I note she doesn't say a word if you decide to slaughter all the innocents anyway once you are in the Harrowing Chamber.

3b) annoying schmoying, all of the other companions have their "annoying" moments

I did say it was a side issue, but it's one more think to dislike about her.

4) never be a bloodmage who saved the circle, and perhaps I never want to be, because perhaps I like to play a goody-two-shoe type of non-apostate blood magic practicing mage. That's my decision to make, it's not exactly compulsory for all mages to learn Blood Magic.

You don't have to commit a single evil act to be a bloodmage.  Wynne wants you killed anyway even though as a Grey Warden you are NOT subject to the Chantry's (or Templar's) Laws and Irving knows this.

5) never contaminate the Urn of Sacred Ashes, so this is, again, not an issue for my warden

Does this surprise you?

No,. but not everyone is you and there are more aggro points for Wynne than any other character making her the most disloyal.

-Polaris

[Ninotchka]

IanPolaris wrote...

Ninotchka wrote...

Again, you not only repeat your points, compelling as they may be , you disregard the fact that I (or any other player out there) might actually :

1) never go for the Right of Annulment - I always want to save the Circle of Magi

I don't disregard it.  However, the Rite of Annulment if we are playing in character is a reasonable starting position for an Elven or Human non-mage character since everyone 'knows' how dangerous abominations are, and the Templars did give you explicit permission.

Wynne being a Senior Enchanter should know that and be in full grovel mode the moment she figures out the Templars sent you.  That said, I generally want to save the mages too regardless, but starting out with the intention to annul the tower from a non-mage PC PoV is not unreasonable.

2) agree with Wynne that Morrigan is an apostate and should be destroyed I would absolutely love for that to be an option

A lot of us respect Morrigan, and that doesn't even count the fact that Morrigan is a much better mage mechanically than Wynne ever will be.  The only think Wynne has going for her is the Spirit Healer Spec and it's not *that* good (esp not when you can give it to Morri as well).  In short, you don't like Morrigan.  Fine, but that's far from a given or universal.

3a) not side with the paranoid templars (especially that cute, uptight, nutcase Cullen who needs to be laid pronto) who have temporarily been uber spooked beyond all rationality and want to save any remaining innocents (mages)

Cullen is a paranoid nutcase, but objectively he's also right.  Given that Uldred has mind-control magic and apparently CAN torture mages enough to force them to become abominations, and given that his shadowcircle hid for years or even longer, you CAN'T be sure you've elminated the revolt unless you kill every living thing up there.  Personally I think it's worth the risk not to esp with the Litany of Adralla, but I can easily see the other side of the argument and so should Wynne especially given her antipathy towards bloodmagic and mindcontrol magic.  I note she doesn't say a word if you decide to slaughter all the innocents anyway once you are in the Harrowing Chamber.

3b) annoying schmoying, all of the other companions have their "annoying" moments

I did say it was a side issue, but it's one more think to dislike about her.

4) never be a bloodmage who saved the circle, and perhaps I never want to be, because perhaps I like to play a goody-two-shoe type of non-apostate blood magic practicing mage. That's my decision to make, it's not exactly compulsory for all mages to learn Blood Magic.

You don't have to commit a single evil act to be a bloodmage.  Wynne wants you killed anyway even though as a Grey Warden you are NOT subject to the Chantry's (or Templar's) Laws and Irving knows this.

5) never contaminate the Urn of Sacred Ashes, so this is, again, not an issue for my warden

Does this surprise you?

No,. but not everyone is you and there are more aggro points for Wynne than any other character making her the most disloyal.

-Polaris

Wow, you are quite polarised in your view point. But that's okay, let's agree to disagree because just like that convo with Sten regarding women/Grey Wardens, we're getting nowhere.

Peace manB)

[termokanden]

Just to make it clear: supporting the Chantry is NOT the same as being good. It's intentionally left open I think. The Chantry has its good sides (people can go there to seek shelter for example). But at the same time it most definitely forces its beliefs upon others. They even had some crusades as well.



So I think you can be a goody-twoshoes character that does NOT support the Chantry and Wynne's rather fanatical views. Also against blood magic. I don't see how it can be true that it's inherently evil to fuel magic with your own blood and yet making people explode and forcing the corpses of your fallen foes to fight for you is just fine.



And yes, I'm sorry to say it but I do find Wynne a bit annoying. I also find Morrigan annoying for the same reason actually. They are both insanely preachy, just about different things.

[nos_astra]

Collider wrote...
Some things I'd like to put into context. Wynne had just defeated a demon when you meet her in the Mage Tower. The mage Tower had been taken over by the traitor Uldred. Apostates have a bad reputation, and are not subject to the same rules against blood magic as the Circle mages are. It doesn't excuse Wynne, but I can understand why she would be paranoid.

Even worse, she has survived in a tower full of demons for days and feels responsible for the survival of the children and the other mages. She even died before you arrived.

Modifié par klarabella, 08 février 2011 - 12:15 .

[Collider]

klarabella wrote...

Collider wrote...
Some things I'd like to put into context. Wynne had just defeated a demon when you meet her in the Mage Tower. The mage Tower had been taken over by the traitor Uldred. Apostates have a bad reputation, and are not subject to the same rules against blood magic as the Circle mages are. It doesn't excuse Wynne, but I can understand why she would be paranoid.

Even worse, she has survived in a tower full of demons for days and feels responsible for the survival of the children and the other mages. She even died before you arrived.

Yes. Protecting the children and what remains of the circle is her top priority.

[mousestalker]

Collider wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Collider wrote...
Some things I'd like to put into context. Wynne had just defeated a demon when you meet her in the Mage Tower. The mage Tower had been taken over by the traitor Uldred. Apostates have a bad reputation, and are not subject to the same rules against blood magic as the Circle mages are. It doesn't excuse Wynne, but I can understand why she would be paranoid.

Even worse, she has survived in a tower full of demons for days and feels responsible for the survival of the children and the other mages. She even died before you arrived.

Yes. Protecting the children and what remains of the circle is her top priority.

Which is why she is so adamant about sticking around once the tower is cleared.

/snark

[Collider]

Which is why she is so adamant about sticking around once the tower is cleared.

/snark/

At that point, the tower is safe. But I get your point.

[nos_astra]

mousestalker wrote...
Which is why she is so adamant about sticking around once the tower is cleared.

/snark/

Once the tower is cleared the children are save.

I assumed, she's leaving because of the spirit. She knows, she doesn't have a long time, she's going to die (again) soon.
Plus, she's an old woman who has spend her life serving the Circle.

Modifié par klarabella, 08 février 2011 - 12:48 .

[Collider]

klarabella wrote...

mousestalker wrote...
Which is why she is so adamant about sticking around once the tower is cleared.

/snark/

Once the tower is cleared the children are save.

I assumed, she's leaving because of the spirit. She knows, she doesn't have a long time, she's going to die (again) soon.
Plus, she's an old woman who has spend her life serving the Circle.

May as well spend the rest of her life fighting the blight.

[Sarah1281]

Perhaps she is hypocritical, but she most certainly does not attempt to kill your Warden and the party 'at the drop of the hat' without right type of provocation. If you do happen get along with and agree with her at certain critical points in the story, she's never a threat.



I don't know why you should assume that any other player might disagree with Wynne in-game as much as you did.

In-game you might never see or hear about it, yes, but I think that even if you can go through the entire game with Wynne never once disagreeing with you about anything then the fact that she'll be so quick to turn on who she openly states she believes to be Ferelden's only hope is still worth acknowledging as it is still a part of her character and one that annoys a lot of people.



Ignoring what happens when Wynne disagrees with you because she never disagrees with you personally is like insisting on ignoring how Alistair reacts to sparing Loghain since you never spare him or Morrigan reacts to turning down the DR since you always do that.

[ejoslin]

klarabella wrote...

Collider wrote...
Some things I'd like to put into context. Wynne had just defeated a demon when you meet her in the Mage Tower. The mage Tower had been taken over by the traitor Uldred. Apostates have a bad reputation, and are not subject to the same rules against blood magic as the Circle mages are. It doesn't excuse Wynne, but I can understand why she would be paranoid.

Even worse, she has survived in a tower full of demons for days and feels responsible for the survival of the children and the other mages. She even died before you arrived.

As you state, she died, but even moreso -- she ended up possessed.

Also, Wynne does seem to feel responsible for many things -- making it to the sloth demon, saving Irving "with help."  Just because Wynne takes credit for something doesn't always mean she had quite as pivotal a role as she feel she does.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 février 2011 - 03:00 .

[Kappa Neko]

termokanden wrote...

Just to make it clear: supporting the Chantry is NOT the same as being good. It's intentionally left open I think. The Chantry has its good sides (people can go there to seek shelter for example). But at the same time it most definitely forces its beliefs upon others. They even had some crusades as well.

Funny, I thought the Chantry was the source of all evil in DA:O BW doesn't paint the Chantry as good at all. Leaning heavily on the bad side if you ask me.

And yes, I'm sorry to say it but I do find Wynne a bit annoying. I also find Morrigan annoying for the same reason actually. They are both insanely preachy, just about different things.

Hahaha, that's actually quite true! Morrigan likes to scoff at you for not realizing that her way of life is the best. She never misses to remind everybody how stupid they are. You cannot critisize her one bit. She won't allow it. You can ocasially try to get Wynne to understand your point and she does give in sometimes.
I don't mind neither Wynne nor Morrigan being preachy. They both have valid criticism to offer.

By the way, no, I don't think Morrigan is a hypocrite. She's a manipulative ****, but she's being honest about it! If you choose to help her regardless of her blunt refusal to elaborate on things you should know a lot more about before making a decision, it's your own fault. She is deceitful but openly so. You are being warned.

[MKDAWUSS]

I found Wynne to be OK, I kinda wanted her to be a bit more grandmotherly (I didn't get that vibe all that often from her), though.

[shatteredstar56]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I found Wynne to be OK, I kinda wanted her to be a bit more grandmotherly (I didn't get that vibe all that often from her), though.

She was cougarish to Alister, then she became grandmotherly when he asked her to mend his shirt (or socks, I don't quite remember.)
I didn't like her preaching to me all the time when I was doing the best I could do to be a Paragon, and so consequently stopped talking to her.  I was disappointed that she showed up in Awakening, I would have rather seen Leliana, Morrigan, Sten....pretty much anyone.

[sevalaricgirl]

You all make very valid points. Agree to disagree. It's okay. I don't really like Wynne but I'm not a hater either. I do like Morrigan. She's very much like me in my real life except that I'm not a short sighted as she is, opinionated yes, shorted sighted no but think of how she was raised. And my circle mage hates the chantry and the templars and the circle, but she loved Irving and doesn't annul the tower because of that.

I do completely agree that she was cougarish to Alistair even though she knew that he and my warden were in a deep relationship.  It was rather sickening considering how old she is.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 08 février 2011 - 06:32 .

[LobselVith8]

Ninotchka wrote...

Perhaps she is hypocritical, but she most certainly does not attempt to kill your Warden and the party 'at the drop of the hat' without right type of provocation. If you do happen get along with and agree with her at certain critical points in the story, she's never a threat.

I don't think this is true. She's willing to kill the Warden because Morrigan dared to have an opinion about the Circle mages. She's willing to kill the Warden if he agrees with Cullen's suggestion, but she does nothing if Knight-Commander Greagoir decides to cull the entire Circle. Shouldn't she be just as willing to fight against Greagoir to protect the mages as she can be when she fights the Warden on two potential occassions over the matter?

Ninotchka wrote...

1) never go for the Right of Annulment - I always want to save the Circle of Magi

I save the Circle as well, but I can see where Ian is coming from - Wynne is willing to kill the Warden if his actions conflict with what she thinks is right, despite the fact that he's the only hope for Ferelden. Morrigan can disagree with the Warden's actions, but she never tries to murder him over it - not even in the deleted scene if you try to turn her over to the templars. Wynne steps on my toes over Morrigan (which is none of her business) and her attempt to persuade the Warden to give up the freedom that exists with the Grey Wardens to return to an "oppressive place" (and this is the exact term you can use in dialogue with her, and she never disputes it). In fact, why is she telling me what I need to be as Grey Warden when she knows nothing about the Wardens? She's a mage of the Circle of Magi, not a Warden.

Ninotchka wrote...
2) agree with Wynne that Morrigan is an apostate and should be destroyed I would absolutely love for that to be an option

Why is that? Because Morrigan never tries to kill you for ridiculous reasons like Wynne does?

Ninotchka wrote...

3a) not side with the paranoid templars (especially that cute, uptight, nutcase Cullen who needs to be laid pronto) who have temporarily been uber spooked beyond all rationality and want to save any remaining innocents (mages)

I can't dispute the comments about Cullen as a person. Cullen ends up as a raving madman when the Warden asks Queen Anora for the Circle to be given its freedom (I wonder if the devs did that on purpose since the flags are never triggered if you ask Alistair for the Magi boon). I'm surprised since Gaider said the Chantry said no, but the Circle of Orzammar is never formed when you ask Anora for the Circle to be given its freedom, and even Irving acknowledges it as though it's going to happen.

Ninotchka wrote...

3b) annoying schmoying, all of the other companions have their "annoying" moments

Not all of them try to murder you during those moments, though.

Ninotchka wrote...

4) never be a bloodmage who saved the circle, and perhaps I never want to be, because perhaps I like to play a goody-two-shoe type of non-apostate blood magic practicing mage. That's my decision to make, it's not exactly compulsory for all mages to learn Blood Magic.

I don't understand this - blood magic isn't evil. Why wouldn't your Warden from the Circle make use of it to combat the darkspawn? I can understand if you choose another specialization, but I don't see why you'd think it's "evil," especially when the Chantry labels mages as cursed and makes it seem as though all magic is evil.

Ninotchka wrote...

5) never contaminate the Urn of Sacred Ashes, so this is, again, not an issue for my warden

Does this surprise you?

Regardless, the fact that she never openly voices concern over the Warden agreeing to do this for Kolgrim, or advises against it, is why it'd ridiculous that she would kill the only hope Ferelden has simply because of an Urn. Are her religious beliefs more important than the lives of the people across Ferelden?

[Xilizhra]

I don't understand this - blood magic isn't evil. Why wouldn't your Warden from the Circle make use of it to combat the darkspawn? I can understand if you choose another specialization, but I don't see why you'd think it's "evil," especially when the Chantry labels mages as cursed and makes it seem as though all magic is evil.

Unless you're very, very intimidating, it requires you to sell a little boy's soul to gain blood magic.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't understand this - blood magic isn't evil. Why wouldn't your Warden from the Circle make use of it to combat the darkspawn? I can understand if you choose another specialization, but I don't see why you'd think it's "evil," especially when the Chantry labels mages as cursed and makes it seem as though all magic is evil.

Unless you're very, very intimidating, it requires you to sell a little boy's soul to gain blood magic.

There is the book in Awakening, but simply because the method can be gained from a demon doesn't make blood magic itself evil. Grey Wardens have used blood magic in the never-ending battle against the darkspawn armies that have conquered the fallen dwarven kingdoms that run along the entire continent of Thedas. And I intimidated the desire demon, so Connor ended up sudying the Fade in Tevinter.

[IanPolaris]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't understand this - blood magic isn't evil. Why wouldn't your Warden from the Circle make use of it to combat the darkspawn? I can understand if you choose another specialization, but I don't see why you'd think it's "evil," especially when the Chantry labels mages as cursed and makes it seem as though all magic is evil.

Unless you're very, very intimidating, it requires you to sell a little boy's soul to gain blood magic.

But this is very, very easy to do.  By the time you fight the demon. you should be at least level 9 and that's more than enough opportunity to gain a Cun of 16 which is cheap (Humans start with 12 after all if you are a mage) and four ranks of coercion. 

The fact remains, there is a non-evil way to get bloodmagic even in DAO.

-Polaris

[USArmyParatrooper]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't understand this - blood magic isn't evil. Why wouldn't your Warden from the Circle make use of it to combat the darkspawn? I can understand if you choose another specialization, but I don't see why you'd think it's "evil," especially when the Chantry labels mages as cursed and makes it seem as though all magic is evil.

Unless you're very, very intimidating, it requires you to sell a little boy's soul to gain blood magic.

Yes, but then you get the most awesome AoE spell in the game. That's worth one little boy's soul, isn't it? 

Modifié par USArmyParatrooper, 08 février 2011 - 10:27 .

[Addai]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't understand this - blood magic isn't evil. Why wouldn't your Warden from the Circle make use of it to combat the darkspawn? I can understand if you choose another specialization, but I don't see why you'd think it's "evil," especially when the Chantry labels mages as cursed and makes it seem as though all magic is evil.

Unless you're very, very intimidating, it requires you to sell a little boy's soul to gain blood magic.

Yes, but then you get the most awesome AoE spell in the game. That's worth one little boy's soul, isn't it? 

Yep that's pretty much what my Warden decided- let Connor remain passively possessed- so that a lot of other children wouldn't be wiped off the face of the earth because the only Grey Warden mage could only throw spitballs at the darkspawn.  I figured that you could always go back and help Connor fight the demon once he's older.