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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I thought the breakup was perfectly in character.

And hey, he didn't want to be king. You made him king. And suddenly *you* are the one who gets to whine about things not turning out the way you wanted?


Very true. He does spend much of the game saying he doesn't want choice A. But during certain events he says something else in fairly strong terms ("Choice B is not acceptable"). If during that event he had stuck to "not me, please" or warned the Warden at Eamon's what  the outcome would be I think players whould have felt less shellshocked.

At Eamons:
Warden: Anora and I have worked out a plan.
Alistair: What?! What about ... you know?
Warden: It'll be fine.
Alistair: Oh, all right. (Warden thinks things are settled, silly her!)

At event:
Warden: What do you think I should do?
Alistair: Me, me, oo, me!
Warden: Okey dokey.
Alistair: ...I've just realized this isn't going to work.
Warden: Could you have told me this an HOUR AGO?!
Alistair: No, and I refuse to talk about it now. Or ever. But my approval is still at 100 and I'll behave pretty much as if nothing ever happened. ...Until I get a chance to really destroy your emotional well-being later.
Warden: Arrrgh!

Breaking up is definitely in character for him (he is a slave to duty after all), but a little more strenuous arguing beforehand, fewer mixed signals during, or a little more lengthy wrap up after would have been nice. (But hey, that's what fanfic is for.)

I knew the pit was there and cheated to avoid it the first playthrough but tried falling in on a subsequent playthrough and it was pretty brutal. So I can totally empathize with people who are upset about it. Whether being upset is logical or justified or fair is beside the point, IMO.

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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I thought the breakup was perfectly in character.

And hey, he didn't want to be king. You made him king. And suddenly *you* are the one who gets to whine about things not turning out the way you wanted?


No it wasn't. Breaking up with her in front of a room full of people was completely disgusting and inappropriate.


Personally I think he pulls you aside for that conversation, since I can't believe he'd do it in front of the entire party either.

And the way he's basically just "Well thanks for the puntang, by by now you worthless peasant ****! I'm too high and shiny for you now" and turns his back and walks out on you without another word.... that was just not the guy I knew. Icicles speared through my character's heart.


Poor you. ;) If you hadn't made him king, like he *asked*, you could be travelling the world together as happy Grey Wardens! Maybe next time you'll try to make your virtual boyfriend happy rather than expecting he'll do whatever you want, hm?

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Actually for me, Alistair's weakness is what makes him such an interesting and great character. His whole life is a conflict of duty vs. his personal will, and it really culminates if he goes by his duty (by dumping your warden) but then follows his personal will in the end (by sacrificing himself despite being king).

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Shinobu wrote...
I knew the pit was there and cheated to avoid it the first playthrough but tried falling in on a subsequent playthrough and it was pretty brutal. So I can totally empathize with people who are upset about it. Whether being upset is logical or justified or fair is beside the point, IMO.


Oh, I empathise with people who get upset. I literally cried! :P But people who behave as though it's their real boyfriend who's just reached into their chests and yanked their hearts out with vicious glee, to the point they fall to their knees and cry out, "I will never play with Alistair ever again!!!111!"  just makes me want to laugh. It's a bloody game. ;)

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I thought the breakup was perfectly in character.

And hey, he didn't want to be king. You made him king. And suddenly *you* are the one who gets to whine about things not turning out the way you wanted?


No it wasn't. Breaking up with her in front of a room full of people was completely disgusting and inappropriate.


Personally I think he pulls you aside for that conversation, since I can't believe he'd do it in front of the entire party either.

And the way he's basically just "Well thanks for the puntang, by by now you worthless peasant ****! I'm too high and shiny for you now" and turns his back and walks out on you without another word.... that was just not the guy I knew. Icicles speared through my character's heart.


Poor you. ;) If you hadn't made him king, like he *asked*, you could be travelling the world together as happy Grey Wardens! Maybe next time you'll try to make your virtual boyfriend happy rather than expecting he'll do whatever you want, hm?


But then how come if Anora becomes queen and Al remains a peasant, he's nowhere to be found in Awakening? Why isn't he at the Warden's side? Like Zevran and Leliana at least sent us letters, from Alistair we get nothing...

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Just let him die at the landsmeet and be done with him

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Alistar doesnt have a clue what duty, or to be a grey warden means, he is nothing more then a self centered, spoiled whinny snifflying little **** that never grew up. I just wish I could kill him in Ostagar and be done with the jerk. Lohgain is an ass but at least he is a man and trying to do the right thing even if for the wrong reasons, Alistar just thinks of himself. cant stand the twit.

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payroo wrote...

Actually for me, Alistair's weakness is what makes him such an interesting and great character. His whole life is a conflict of duty vs. his personal will, and it really culminates if he goes by his duty (by dumping your warden) but then follows his personal will in the end (by sacrificing himself despite being king).


I agree. He is incredibly well-written, and despite people not liking some of his actions, they are all totally predictable if you paid attention through the game.

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Phaffner wrote...

Alistar doesnt have a clue what duty, or to be a grey warden means, he is nothing more then a self centered, spoiled whinny snifflying little **** that never grew up. I just wish I could kill him in Ostagar and be done with the jerk. Lohgain is an ass but at least he is a man and trying to do the right thing even if for the wrong reasons, Alistar just thinks of himself. cant stand the twit.


He will improve, *somewhat* if you harden him, but too little too late.  

At least that's something, lol.

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Thank you Merlle your saying that if you harden him up just a tiny bit you can be his misstree in the end correct?

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O.K. after hearing all this and waying my posibilities I have decided not put Alistair on the throne with my mage run throgh I will keep him fo myself

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I dumped Alistair for Leliana....



And it felt gooooooooooooooooooooooooood~

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well good for you you see that is what this game is all about every one doing they'er own thing when it comes to romance and still saving Frelden from mass istruction oh wait there is still the Dark spown Chronicles

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Lenimph wrote...

I dumped Alistair for Leliana....

And it felt gooooooooooooooooooooooooood~


I actually had to do that because I got ninja romanced by him in my first run... :pinched:

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no I don't care bout being queen either but theres something about his endering charm that makes me want to keep him with my mage I frist had the stungle of even him to wram up to her he was rejecting her at frist but now the bound him and Carrie have its just to hard to pull apart thank you all for letting me join into this topic I like what all of you had to say I just hope we don't have this problem wit romance in part 2

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Shinobu wrote...
I knew the pit was there and cheated to avoid it the first playthrough but tried falling in on a subsequent playthrough and it was pretty brutal. So I can totally empathize with people who are upset about it. Whether being upset is logical or justified or fair is beside the point, IMO.


Oh, I empathise with people who get upset. I literally cried! :P But people who behave as though it's their real boyfriend who's just reached into their chests and yanked their hearts out with vicious glee, to the point they fall to their knees and cry out, "I will never play with Alistair ever again!!!111!"  just makes me want to laugh. It's a bloody game. ;)


I broke out in a cold sweat and felt nauseated! :lol: I had flashbacks to other real-life breakups, too. Good writing, that! But I still love the character.  I can kinda see holding it against him if it was the first, canon playthrough. Sometimes I'm sorry I read spoilers, but at times like this I'm glad I did, because the path I was going down would have been a complete non-hardened disaster. :blink:

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Just a minor note I made a mistake with my human noble Rouge when I bougt this game in 2009 I wanted to put Bethany on Alistairs arm as queen and a frind of mine told me that the ritual only worked for the MaleP.C. and I didn't have te guide book nor a E.a bioware accont and now I wish I had because i beleived her and well Alistair sacrificed himself and well I won't do that again I dealeted my hard drive went out got a new one and well I'm starting all over again and this time I'm not sacrficing anyone right now

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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

But then how come if Anora becomes queen and Al remains a peasant, he's nowhere to be found in Awakening? Why isn't he at the Warden's side? Like Zevran and Leliana at least sent us letters, from Alistair we get nothing...


It's the writers' fault. I pretended he was in Highever making his memorial *by hand* for all those months. ;) But yes, was disappointed not to see him. Had to make nice with Anora, ugh.

I just stumbled back on the NWN forum and found a Valen thread. Now that was a happy romance!:wub:

Umm, shouldn't this thread be moved to a spoiler zone?

Modifié par Shinobu, 06 février 2011 - 04:23 .


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Phaffner wrote...

Alistar doesnt have a clue what duty, or to be a grey warden means, he is nothing more then a self centered, spoiled whinny snifflying little **** that never grew up. I just wish I could kill him in Ostagar and be done with the jerk. Lohgain is an ass but at least he is a man and trying to do the right thing even if for the wrong reasons, Alistar just thinks of himself. cant stand the twit.


Umm, yeah....whatever.:blink:

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Elizajean wrote...

I just hope we don't have this problem wit romance in part 2


*chuckles*  Don't count on it, Elizajean.  BioWare is not known for shiny, happy endings tied up neatly in a big red bow.  The stories and relationships are deeply layered and fraught with complications... that's why we love them!

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I have been happilly married for 20 years and well my husband is a genttel man some what likeAlistairand we'r booth playing the game me on my 360 and him on his P.s.3i have been struggling with lymph fomaand I get tired out very easly and well beleive it or not this game has brought us closer to understanding Love and sacrfice Like the game says we are all going to die.plus I grew up in a military family Army and Marrines and the Grey motto kinde of remindes me of the vmotto my father used to recite when I was growing up

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True that

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WeRtheBrox wrote...

The stories and relationships are deeply layered and fraught with complications... that's why we love them!

This.

It would be boring fast, otherwise.

This is also the reason why I love my elf/ Alistair pairings. It has more spice this way...and you can have the cake and eat it too in the end, if you are playing the cards right. It's not rocket science, really. ;)

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and thats another reson why I like this game I guess what trying to say is that this game really draws you in and once it dose you can't get enoughand you want more I took drama in school and for me that is what this game is like you have a scipt and you decide how your story is going to turn out and it has all kindes of flavers.from cheating to staying true to one person to marrige or to sacrifice even to hate to love to good and evil

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and lets not forget Friendships