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[Yakko77]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

The Reapers f'd with the the wrong race on the wrong planet.

Attacking Earth may be their Pearl Harbor moment but they have awakened a sleeping giant and I look forward to delivering them their Battle of Midway moment!

Yeah! Bomb the bastards back to the Stone Age!!!

Adm. William "Bull"  Halsey approves.

[PrinceLionheart]

Confused_Shepard wrote...

Remove Miranda & Jacob please. I don't want terrorists representing humanity
Regardless, that is a beautiful picture and I also like the propoganda one. 

Miranda is a scientist/researcher and Jacob is a security officer. Hardly "terrorism" there.

[sagefic]

Ieldra2 wrote...

A great picture. I like the humans on the team, particularly the "originals" - Ashley, Kaidan, Miranda and Jacob - who appear to be always less appreciated than they deserve for some mysterious reason. And while the intensity of my patriotism is limited, and I don't think ME3 should be very Earth-centric, I nonetheless appreciate what humanity brings into Citadel Civilization. As for the politics: Alliance, Cerberus, doesn't matter, against this threat we should fight as one.

One thing is a little jarring: femShep has less armor than Jack.

if they're not aliens, then clearly they're boring. <_<

i agree though. the human squaddies, esp. ashley, kaidan, and miri, are some of the most nuanced characters in the series. it's a shame they get ignored and/or so much hate. i look forward to more humanity awesomeness - as when the alliance saves the day in me1 - for me3.

[Frozen Mind]

What about Blue Suns? Their leader (and still one of two founders AFAIK) like the greater part of this mercenary group are human.



In confrontation with Reapers they would have 3 ways:

- avoid and hide until (or even if) the problem is solved - loosing as much as possible power and resources - and gaining bad reputation by some of their potential customers;

- help others to fight against them - sounds like protecting their customers after all;

- attack weakened military objects to rob equipment.



Personal morality: I disapprove many of Cerberus actions, however in danger of incoming Reapers I wouldn't have a problem in cooperation with them, but after that I would return to the pursuit and their elimination.

[jwalker]

Glorious_Leader wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Patriotism? We have dismissed that claim.

In all seriousness, I associate patriotism too closely with racism. Sorry.

Patriotism is the love and devotion to one's country.  I think you're mixing it up with nationalism. 

Last of so called patriots I've known, they're were just a bunch of criminals who "thought" that kidnapping, torturing, and murdering thousands and thounsands of people for years was for the good of the nation.
Thanks, but no thanks.

[Sable Phoenix]

jwalker wrote...

Glorious_Leader wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Patriotism? We have dismissed that claim.

In all seriousness, I associate patriotism too closely with racism. Sorry.

Patriotism is the love and devotion to one's country.  I think you're mixing it up with nationalism. 

Last of so called patriots I've known, they're were just a bunch of criminals who "thought" that kidnapping, torturing, and murdering thousands and thounsands of people for years was for the good of the nation.
Thanks, but no thanks.

I find myself intensely curious how you would have known "patriots" like that, unless you hung out with bomb-throwers like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

Tyrants and statists always want to cloak themselves in the guise of patriotism in an effort to justify their barbarism.  I'm a patriot and I find being compared to murderers like Josef Stalin or Che Guevara offensive in the extreme, so let's not confuse dictators and radicals with the real thing, mkay?  That would be great, thanks.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 06 février 2011 - 04:12 .

[Elvis_Mazur]

Liked all the pictures, but, I'm not a big fan of humanity.

[jwalker]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Glorious_Leader wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Patriotism? We have dismissed that claim.

In all seriousness, I associate patriotism too closely with racism. Sorry.

Patriotism is the love and devotion to one's country.  I think you're mixing it up with nationalism. 

Last of so called patriots I've known, they're were just a bunch of criminals who "thought" that kidnapping, torturing, and murdering thousands and thounsands of people for years was for the good of the nation.
Thanks, but no thanks.

I find myself intensely curious how you would have known "patriots" like that, unless you hung out with bomb-throwers like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

Tyrants and statists always want to cloak themselves in the guise of patriotism in an effort to justify their barbarism.  I'm a patriot and I find being compared to murderers like Josef Stalin or Che Guevara offensive in the extreme, so let's not confuse dictators and radicals with the real thing, mkay?  That would be great, thanks.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.
I haven't met them in person, if that's what you're wondering. But I know who they are,who they were. Some of them, anyway. They claimed to be patriots. They claimed to be the real patriots, protecting the nation from another so called patriots.
Perhaps I haven't met real real patriots, whatever that is.
I apologize again if I offended you.

[LOLZAO]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Confused_Shepard wrote...

Remove Miranda & Jacob please. I don't want terrorists representing humanity
Regardless, that is a beautiful picture and I also like the propoganda one. 

Miranda is a scientist/researcher and Jacob is a security officer. Hardly "terrorism" there.

But jack is alright???,anyway this is getting of topic just want to trow in my suport for Earth and humanity.

[Sable Phoenix]

jwalker wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Glorious_Leader wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Patriotism? We have dismissed that claim.

In all seriousness, I associate patriotism too closely with racism. Sorry.

Patriotism is the love and devotion to one's country.  I think you're mixing it up with nationalism. 

Last of so called patriots I've known, they're were just a bunch of criminals who "thought" that kidnapping, torturing, and murdering thousands and thounsands of people for years was for the good of the nation.
Thanks, but no thanks.

I find myself intensely curious how you would have known "patriots" like that, unless you hung out with bomb-throwers like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

Tyrants and statists always want to cloak themselves in the guise of patriotism in an effort to justify their barbarism.  I'm a patriot and I find being compared to murderers like Josef Stalin or Che Guevara offensive in the extreme, so let's not confuse dictators and radicals with the real thing, mkay?  That would be great, thanks.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.
I haven't met them in person, if that's what you're wondering. But I know who they are,who they were. Some of them, anyway. They claimed to be patriots. They claimed to be the real patriots, protecting the nation from another so called patriots.
Perhaps I haven't met real real patriots, whatever that is.
I apologize again if I offended you.

Accepted, and there was no need for my snark, so I apologize for that too.

Real patriots are people who defend their country and uphold its liberties and the lives of its people.  Ghandi and Martin Luther King, Jr. were some of the greatest patriots of the past century, and perhaps the purest patriots to have walked the Earth since people like Abaraham Lincoln and George Washington.  Patriots are the young men who charged the beaches at Normandy and Iwo Jima, fighting not in an attempt to establish their dominance and force their wills upon others, fighting not because they wanted to, but fighting because they had to in order to make sure their families at home were never subjected to the horrors they were going through.  My grandfather fought in that war; he was on the Lexington when it was sunk in the Coral Sea.  He came home physically scarred for life because of what he went through, but he did it so his wife and daughters would continue to live free.

Real patriotism is about sacrifice, not control.

[Cypher0020]

I love it! I'm gonna snag one of those awesome banners

[darknoon5]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Glorious_Leader wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Patriotism? We have dismissed that claim.

In all seriousness, I associate patriotism too closely with racism. Sorry.

Patriotism is the love and devotion to one's country.  I think you're mixing it up with nationalism. 

Last of so called patriots I've known, they're were just a bunch of criminals who "thought" that kidnapping, torturing, and murdering thousands and thounsands of people for years was for the good of the nation.
Thanks, but no thanks.

I find myself intensely curious how you would have known "patriots" like that, unless you hung out with bomb-throwers like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

Tyrants and statists always want to cloak themselves in the guise of patriotism in an effort to justify their barbarism.  I'm a patriot and I find being compared to murderers like Josef Stalin or Che Guevara offensive in the extreme, so let's not confuse dictators and radicals with the real thing, mkay?  That would be great, thanks.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.
I haven't met them in person, if that's what you're wondering. But I know who they are,who they were. Some of them, anyway. They claimed to be patriots. They claimed to be the real patriots, protecting the nation from another so called patriots.
Perhaps I haven't met real real patriots, whatever that is.
I apologize again if I offended you.

Accepted, and there was no need for my snark, so I apologize for that too.

Real patriots are people who defend their country and uphold its liberties and the lives of its people.  Ghandi and Martin Luther King, Jr. were some of the greatest patriots of the past century, and perhaps the purest patriots to have walked the Earth since people like Abaraham Lincoln and George Washington.  Patriots are the young men who charged the beaches at Normandy and Iwo Jima, fighting not in an attempt to establish their dominance and force their wills upon others, fighting not because they wanted to, but fighting because they had to in order to make sure their families at home were never subjected to the horrors they were going through.  My grandfather fought in that war; he was on the Lexington when it was sunk in the Coral Sea.  He came home physically scarred for life because of what he went through, but he did it so his wife and daughters would continue to live free.

Real patriotism is about sacrifice, not control.

I didn't say patriotisim was equal to racisim, I just think too many "patriots" are simply racist.

[Phaedon]

Yeah, combine patriotism with idiots and you have nationalism.

But that's irrelevant to the thread, since only one of the characters on the OP could have potentially been an extremist at some point.

Modifié par Phaedon, 06 février 2011 - 07:00 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Nice work. Althrough Femshep should also have been in N7 armor.

[Lord Zeuss]

@Lizardviking: As I explained to another user, I had originally intended to use both the default Shepards, but I simply could not find the right stock image of default Jane.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

@Lizardviking: As I explained to another user, I had originally intended to use both the default Shepards, but I simply could not find the right stock image of default Jane.

Fair enough. But still, kudos to you.

[Lord Zeuss]

Lizardviking wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

@Lizardviking: As I explained to another user, I had originally intended to use both the default Shepards, but I simply could not find the right stock image of default Jane.

Fair enough. But still, kudos to you.

Thanks.

[Xilizhra]

I find this... dubious, if I may point something out. Why make your anti-Reaper propaganda so divisive by species?

[Chignon]

Xilizhra wrote...

I find this... dubious, if I may point something out. Why make your anti-Reaper propaganda so divisive by species?

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Being pro-humanity doesn't mean being against cooperation with other species. In fact, I think a concrete species identity would actually help with inter-Citadel relations because of decreased factionalism.

It would be wonderful if the Citadel races came to humanity's aid, but I believe we must be ready to face the Reapers without them if need be.

[Xilizhra]

Personally I believe that if humans have to face the Reapers alone, they're, not to put too fine a point on it, totally ****ed.



I think a strong galactic identity is the best way to go about things, starting with the Citadel.

[Batlass8]

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally I believe that if humans have to face the Reapers alone, they're, not to put too fine a point on it, totally ****ed.

I think a strong galactic identity is the best way to go about things, starting with the Citadel.

As we say in the Bat-clan, "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst."  Humanity doesn't stand much of a chance fighting the Reapers alone.  That doesn't mean, though, that if they do have to stand alone that they should just roll over and die.  It would be ideal to have allies, but humanity should prepare itself in any case.

[Xilizhra]

Prepare for the worst, but do your best to ensure that it doesn't happen. Eliminating signs of divisiveness would be a good start.

[Lord Zeuss]

Xilizhra wrote...

I find this... dubious, if I may point something out. Why make your anti-Reaper propaganda so divisive by species?

I'm glad you asked this question. The simple answer is that everyone who plays the Mass Effect games is a human (self-evident), and as I stated in the OP this is an appeal to those of them who are motivated by a perceived shared stake in the outcome of the Reaper invasion of Earth (forumgoers like to use the sacred word 'immersion') because in the game Earth is the homeworld of the human species, as it is in real life (again, self-evident).

The in-lore answer is because Shepard is a human (I wouldn't be making 'We Are Cousland', 'We Are Dalish', or 'We Are Orzammar' posters for Dragon Age Origins because of the different ways you can play the game; for good or ill, the *only* way to play Mass Effect is as a human), and it is humans who must be prepared to defend Earth. All we know about Mass Effect 3 at this point is Earth will be invaded by Reapers. This is a human concern, and it should concern any human that I know of--it should certainly concern Shepard. And since we don't know anything beyond this, it could very well be that preventing the whole cycle of extinction could hinge upon stopping the Reapers at Earth.

We might ask the turians or the asari to come to our aid, but we must be prepared to do it without them in case the worst should happen.

The lazy reason is that including all of the human squadmates was already a ton of work. But I'm open to doing a similar, Citadel-themed poster in the future.

[Xilizhra]

The Reapers are never going to stop at Earth; their goal is to bring down the galaxy. If Earth is a priority target, humans are getting the worst of it, but this is everyone's concern, and if the rest of the galaxy is insane enough to ignore it, we're screwed already. We realistically have no chance of winning alone.



In any case, my Shepard was born on Mindoir and considers herself part of the galactic community first and foremost, so this is where my immersion is coming in.

[Lord Zeuss]

Well, I would never force you to support a cause you disagreed with. If you RP your Shepard that way, then good for you and I really hope that the spirit of cooperation toward ultimate shared goals of galactic security wins out. I really do.