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[jlb524]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I'm glad you asked this question. The simple answer is that everyone who plays the Mass Effect games is a human (self-evident), and as I stated in the OP this is an appeal to those of them who are motivated by a perceived shared stake in the outcome of the Reaper invasion of Earth (forumgoers like to use the sacred word 'immersion') because in the game Earth is the homeworld of the human species, as it is in real life (again, self-evident).

That definitely doesn't apply to 'me' and I doubt it applies to all Mass Effect's human fans.

Lord Zeuss wrote...
The in-lore answer is because Shepard is a human (I wouldn't be making 'We Are Cousland', 'We Are Dalish', or 'We Are Orzammar' posters for Dragon Age Origins because of the different ways you can play the game; for good or ill, the *only* way to play Mass Effect is as a human), and it is humans who must be prepared to defend Earth. All we know about Mass Effect 3 at this point is Earth will be invaded by Reapers. This is a human concern, and it should concern any human that I know of--it should certainly concern Shepard. And since we don't know anything beyond this, it could very well be that preventing the whole cycle of extinction could hinge upon stopping the Reapers at Earth.

My Shepard (Earthborn) is less concerned with Earth itself, and will be more concerned with stopping the Reapers from wiping out life in the entire galaxy.  In fact, she would sacrifice Earth if it meant the Reapers would be stopped once and for all.

[Xilizhra]

Well, I would never force you to support a cause you disagreed with. If you RP your Shepard that way, then good for you and I really hope that the spirit of cooperation toward ultimate shared goals of galactic security wins out. I really do.

Fair enough. And I'll leave you and yours to this, then.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 06 février 2011 - 07:50 .

[The dead fish]

For Earth, for Humanity !

We are all human patriots !

[Lord Zeuss]

@Xilizhra: Thank you.

[Batlass8]

Xilizhra wrote...

Prepare for the worst, but do your best to ensure that it doesn't happen. Eliminating signs of divisiveness would be a good start.

In my opinion, it's not a sign of divisiveness for humanity to take care of its own Reaper preparations.  They should certainly discuss their plans with other species, but I wouldn't expect the krogan or the volus (or anyone else) to coordinate their preparations.

It's like being in the school play; everyone needs to work together, but you don't go telling other people that they can't memorize their lines without your input.

[maddenking2010]

GodWood wrote...







Credit goes to old ME1 forums poster anon_04111

alright, these are coolest pictures I have ever seen. Patiotism, valor, victory at all costs, for Earth! ha
These pictures just remind me of that cold war national pride, awesome.

Modifié par maddenking2010, 06 février 2011 - 08:11 .

[Xilizhra]

Though, I have to bring up one thing: would Jack really approve of being on here, considering her experience with "pro-human" interests?

[Whatever42]

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally I believe that if humans have to face the Reapers alone, they're, not to put too fine a point on it, totally ****ed.

I think a strong galactic identity is the best way to go about things, starting with the Citadel.

The other races will help fight against the Reapers out of pure self-preservation. Humanity will never be entirely alone in its struggle against the Reapers.

However,  I think one of the questions that ME3 will bring to a head is whether the galactic community will be willing to sacrifice the earth to defeat the reapers or sacrifice of themselves to save the earth. Where should humanity roll the dice? On strengthening ourselves at the expense of the other races or strengthening the community at the expense of ourselves.

On one side lay nobility but dependence that the other races will not only work to destroy the reapers but to preserve humanity. On the other side lay ruthless self-interest but strength enough to survive if the other races decide to make some renegade choices. Either way is a roll of the dice.

[Aolbain]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Seriously awesome photomanip and great idea, but I'm with the turians.

+1

[Lord Zeuss]

Being as the entire point of this was to include both Shepards and all of the human squadmates, it would have been rather silly of me not to include Jack.

In any case, if she was able to work with Shepard throughout the duration of Mass Effect 2, I don't really see much of a problem. The plausibility of that scenario is really a question I can't answer because I was not responsible for writing Mass Effect 2.

[vimpel]

GodWood wrote...

Propaganda? huh

[N7Infernox]

As much as I love humanity, being a human and all, I'd like to see the honor of the krogan restored!
 

[Batlass8]

Maybe it's just me, but I see Jack as someone who is willing to rethink her opinions if doing so will directly impact her chances of survival. And since we know the Reapers and their minions have an unhealthy interest in humanity, I think Jack would recognize that, as a human, she's a target, and want to keep as many humans as possible alive, if for no other reason than that it's easier to hide in a bigger group of humans.

[maddenking2010]

vimpel wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Propaganda? huh

why couldnt the cerberus armor in the game look like this

[Lord Zeuss]

N7Infernox wrote...

As much as I love humanity, being a human and all, I'd like to see the honor of the krogan restored!
 

I second this!:happy:

[Cypher0020]

I third this! I also want to see the krogan restored, and for goodness sake the quarians AND the geth come to a peaceful solution



with that said, I'm an avid supporter of galatic unification.... that'd make me a....galactic...unitist? unitarian?

[The Unfallen]

I like Humanity and all, but my true loyalty goes to the faithful crew of the Normandy.



;-)

[N7Infernox]

Brodyaha wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...
As much as I love humanity, being a human and all, I'd like to see the honor of the krogan restored!
 

And can't a human want both?

Patriotism, at least how I understand it, is support for the interests of an ethnicity, association, group, region, nation.
It doesn't necessarily mean disregarding other ethnicities, associations, etc.

Point taken.
 In all honesty, I'm in the same boat as Cypher0020: galactic unification. I don't want to put any of the races below the others. However, my primary efforts in ME3 would be towards helping the krogan mature, and become more respected. Maybe ally them with the salarians.

[Cypher0020]

thank you N7! My Shep personally saved the Council and even though she knew that humans would die in that attempt, she believed that if the Council was killed, humans, turians, asari, krogan, and any other citadel race would be doomed....



How would we know that a new council would be up and running in two years? She didn't at the time.



Plus, she always puts Anderson on the Council. So for her, its a win-win situation all the way around...

[Batlass8]

Cypher0020 wrote...
How would we know that a new council would be up and running in two years? She didn't at the time.

QFT

For my Shep, it was the memory of when Vigil said that the Reapers' first attack took out galactic leadership that prompted him to save the Council.  On the one hand, he would have wanted to save them because they're important, but on the other hand, that would have cost a lot of lives (regardless of species).  But armed with the knowledge that the Reapers intentionally take out your leadership first...it was a no-brainer. 

Makes me wonder what he would have done if Liara hadn't spoken up and told him not to waste the chance to chat with Vigil.

[Jane Shepard]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

WOW!!! Awesome screen!!! I'm so happy to see both Shepards here and not only MaleShep. Fantastic!

[Inquisitor Recon]

Humanity is weak. But all that will change under Emperor Shepard. Support your Emperor! Support a new golden age for mankind!



And if I would have to sacrifice earth to achieve this, I would so do it.

[N7Infernox]

Staying on topic...

Anyways, this is an amazing thread Lord Zeuss! I'd be awesome if you could make one for the krogan too- with banners and everything.

Modifié par N7Infernox, 06 février 2011 - 08:39 .