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[Lord Zeuss]

Xilizhra wrote...

Regardless of wether you're paragon or renegade, you are still human. You can fight for your own survival, or fight for everyone's... starting with your own species.

If I'm starting with my own species, it's due to location, not preference. Not that I particularly dislike humanity (although if I had to save only one species, it'd be asari), but... I'm a Spectre. My duty is to the galaxy.

I would encourage you to start a thread for the support of galactic unity.

[ACC3SS]

Flamewielder wrote...
Carl Sagan was also a scientist who
belived in the scientific basis of inter-human relations based on games
theory. He used mathematics to demonstrate that in our interaction, one
good turn deserves another, while wrong turns should be reciprocated. No
"presenting the other cheek"...

This seems out of context. What does this have to do with patriotism or humanism?

Flamewielder wrote...
Sagan says, offer coop first, compete if coop is
turned down.

Cite your source, please.

Flamewielder wrote...
If other species show goodwill, great,
let the paragons sort it out; if they only look out for number one,
fine, let the renegades work them over...

If only it worked like that. Most are slaves to the perception of power. Being the first to show good will is a weakness in their eyes. The Cold War is a textbook example. I suspect galactic politics (in Mass Effect) would differ little.

A good sentiment, though, Flamewielder.

Modifié par ACC3SS, 07 février 2011 - 12:30 .

[Xilizhra]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

if I had to save only one species, it'd be asari

Really? Why?

They're the most populous and I like their culture.

[Xilizhra]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

They're the most populous and I like their culture.

Yeah, but isn't this justification a bit weak when you have the choice of which race to condemn and which to save? I mean really, would you choose asari over humanity? 

No race is inherently more valuable than any other, which means my choice will either be random or based on relatively small things.

[Val Seleznyov]

A strong pro-human sentiment doesn't really fit with the way that i have played through the games. It's going to take an alliance of races to defeat the Reapers, in the same way that it took an alliance of nations to defeat the Axis in World War 2.



Sure, the Red Army ultimately topped Hitler, but the British and Americans played their parts too.



A prominent theme in my games has been galactic unity. So while the pictures are nice enough, there is no room for jingoism in Val Shepard's adventure.

[tobynator89]

If there is an option to let earth burn then I will pick it. Know why? because it would mean less humanity. Why would I want that? because they are the dullest part of the ME universe. Alliance? Earth? seen it before. Now tell me again about the turian belief in spirits.



The aliens and distant planets are where Bioware can make really good use of their imagination. Its why I hope we spend next to no time at earth and the time we do spend there is with a fleet of infinitly more interesting aliens.

[Chignon]

tobynator89 wrote...

Its why I hope we spend next to no time at earth and the time we do spend there is with a fleet of infinitly more interesting aliens.

Aliens are inherently more interesting than humans? Okay.

[Batlass8]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

A strong pro-human sentiment doesn't really fit with the way that i have played through the games. It's going to take an alliance of races to defeat the Reapers, in the same way that it took an alliance of nations to defeat the Axis in World War 2.

Sure, the Red Army ultimately topped Hitler, but the British and Americans played their parts too.

A prominent theme in my games has been galactic unity. So while the pictures are nice enough, there is no room for jingoism in Val Shepard's adventure.

I agree with everything you've written, save for the bit about jingoism.  I don't think most of the people here qualify as jingos.  Jingoism is an extreme (and in my opinion untenable) position adopted by those who favor short-sighted victories rather than a long-term, strategic approach that will secure stability longer than a single generation.

Edit: Chig, don't give in to the urge to feed the trolls!

Modifié par Batlass8, 07 février 2011 - 12:48 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mash Mashington wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

They're the most populous and I like their culture.

Yeah, but isn't this justification a bit weak when you have the choice of which race to condemn and which to save? I mean really, would you choose asari over humanity? 

No race is inherently more valuable than any other, which means my choice will either be random or based on relatively small things.

That's a self contradiction. "Relatively small" or not, it's still preference, and that means discrimination, and that means racism. Be honest! You're a racist (aren't we all?) and an Asari-supremacist.

To choose only one race to save in a truly impartial and "fair way", you'd have to have them draw straws or someting.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 07 février 2011 - 01:21 .

[Lord Zeuss]

Everyone, please, this is a human support thread. If you don't support humanity then I would encourage you not to post here and instead start your own thread.

[Xilizhra]

That's a self contradiction. "Relatively small" or not, it's still preference, and that means discrimination, and that means racism. Be honest! You're a racist (aren't we all?) and an Asari-supremacist.

True, but asari do have the highest galactic population, IIRC. Thus, saving them would produce the most net good.

Everyone, please, this is a human support thread. If you don't support humanity then I would encourage you not to post here and instead start your own thread.

I still do support humanity, thankfully.

[White_Buffalo94]

I can't say which race I would save over all others because I like practically every species in ME, especially Asari, Turians, and Quarians.

I definitely would not give up humanity. Since the Reapers are after them, it kinda gives you an idea of human potential. Plus they haven't had a long run compared to other races.

Salarians are overall very useful with their intelligence and they aren't particularly dangerous to peaceful races.
Turians are a military power as far as I know, very useful.
Asari, idk why I'd never sacrifice them but I wouldn't.
Quarians are tech experts and are capable of extraordinary technological advances, so they are useful culturally and militarily also.
I wouldn't sacrifice Krogan per se, but at the risk of endangering any of the above, I wouldn't save them because they are a threat to the civilized races.
Elcor, Hanar, and Drell are IMO not useful in any way really. Drell may have been if they hadn't nearly gone extinct.
Volus, overall, even if it wasn't necessary, I'd sacrivice them. I really hate their attitudes. And it isn't simply one or two notable Volus in ME2, it is practically all of them. So, Volus and Geth are races I'd give up to save any of the others besides Krogan

Humans are IMO the most valuable race in the Milky Way. They advanced the fastest into space, have the most powerful single military, and being human, I'd save them before any other besides Quarian, but that is because I'm a Tali fan

Modifié par White_Buffalo94, 07 février 2011 - 01:58 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's a self contradiction. "Relatively small" or not, it's still preference, and that means discrimination, and that means racism. Be honest! You're a racist (aren't we all?) and an Asari-supremacist.

True, but asari do have the highest galactic population, IIRC. Thus, saving them would produce the most net good.

Population is an arbitrary base for your discrimination against other species.

Xilizhra wrote...

Everyone, please, this is a human support thread. If you don't support humanity then I would encourage you not to post here and instead start your own thread.

I still do support humanity, thankfully.

Relatively speaking, you don't.

So if you do really have to say something more than just "I support humanity" and "Humans are the best!", you should really stop posting in this thread and start your own. Otherwise it would look like you're deliberately provoking something.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 07 février 2011 - 02:11 .

[Xilizhra]

Population is an arbitrary base for your discrimination against other species.

I hardly see how. Wouldn't my job be to save as many lives as possible?

Relatively speaking, you don't.

But I do. I'll do my best to save Earth. I'd rather have humans survive than Reapers. I'll protect humanity along with the rest of the galaxy.

[Yakko77]

tobynator89 wrote...

If there is an option to let earth burn then I will pick it. Know why? because it would mean less humanity. Why would I want that? because they are the dullest part of the ME universe. Alliance? Earth? seen it before. Now tell me again about the turian belief in spirits.

The aliens and distant planets are where Bioware can make really good use of their imagination. Its why I hope we spend next to no time at earth and the time we do spend there is with a fleet of infinitly more interesting aliens.

What's dull about humanity?

In the First Contact War humanity took on what was then the most powerful military force the Council races have to offer and came out with a victory before the turians had a chance to figure out what they were dealing with.

During the Battle of the Citadel they were the deciding factor that brought down Sovereign. 

A human Spectre, Shepard, is thus far the main force fighting the Reaper threat thus making him/her the galaxy's only chance at survival.

Nothing dull about any of that.

[Xilizhra]

In the First Contact War humanity took on what was then the most powerful military force the Council races have to offer and came out with a victory before the turians had a chance to figure out what they were dealing with.

Humans got a favorable draw when the asari and salarians told the turians to back down; it wasn't a self-earned victory.



Against Sovereign... sort of, yes, but I think it was Shepard killing Sovereign's avatar that really did it. And Shepard is far from a representative of baseline humanity, especially after the Lazarus Project.

[aeetos21]

Xilizhra wrote.
Humans got a favorable draw when the asari and salarians told the turians to back down; it wasn't a self-earned victory.

Against Sovereign... sort of, yes, but I think it was Shepard killing Sovereign's avatar that really did it. And Shepard is far from a representative of baseline humanity, especially after the Lazarus Project.

QFT

[Lotion Soronarr]

That poster lacks TIM and Kelly...and Joker...and Chakwas...and Anderson.



Back on track....For humanity!!!



Life is a struggle. Kill or be killed. Survival is all that matters.

Whatever it takes to save humanity (and the universe).



But if there is ever a choice between humantiy and another race...there's no contest.

[Xilizhra]

exoskeleton

Yeeeaaahhh... you may want to brush up on your anatomical definitions there.

[Lord Zeuss]

Xilizhra wrote...

exoskeleton

Yeeeaaahhh... you may want to brush up on your anatomical definitions there.

I don't think that invalidates her point, however.

[Xilizhra]

It's true, but I don't think humanity as a whole can be fully credited for Shepard's awesomeness. Someone of any species could have been at the right place at the right time for it; if Nihlus hadn't run into Saren, the odds are high that he would have been the savior of the galaxy.