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[Shinobu]

I've been wondering this for a while: do you think the things the NPCs could have said/done but didn't in your current playthrough are actual parts of their personalities or are they the actions of completely different alternate universe people?

Ugh, not explaining this properly. Okay, so I've seen people post stuff like "Eamon is a jerk because if you have Alistair executed he turns around and sucks up to Anora" or "Alistair is a prejudiced ***** because he'll break up with a non-HNF Warden over fertility issues but still marry a HNF Warden who has the same problem." Do you feel that these things that could have happened but didn't in your current playthrough affect how you feel about those NPCs? Or do you feel that the things that haven't been said or done don't exist? For example, sometimes the Warden is given dialog choices that are mutually exclusive (can't remember exactly but the elf mage could say she was from an Alienage or from a Dalish clan?) and I assumed the "not chosen" option was then invalidated. Do you feel the same occurs with NPCs? Or do you hold a grudge? "Zev betrayed me last time, so I'll never let him live!" or "I'll never romance Alistair again, stupid shem!"

I try to keep my playthroughs separate but sometimes have trouble forgetting that this NPC is not the same man as my previous playthrough.

[Addai]

Really only one- if there were more creative ways to deal with Vaughn Kendells, I'd use every one in the book.

[Verly]

yes, Vaughn dies in all my games. I don't care if the current character doesn't know what he did. *I* do.



I don't dislike Alistair due to the whole not marrying anyone that is not a noble thing. (he's right..the people would not stand for him marrying someone that is not of "proper" birth. ) , but I don't have my non-human noble characters romance him if I'm going to make him king. I just can't play the mistress route. (I know the characters are not *me*, but there are some things I just can't roleplay)

[Shinobu]

Yeah, I'm not sure I could ever let him live after playing a CE.

[Dark-sider77]

I also kill Vaughn even when my warden didnt witness his crimes. However, i always release soris from his cell first since he kinda explains what Vaughn did. that way my warden has a reason to execute him, and steal his secret stash of money as well.

[sylvanaerie]

I try to judge each NPC by their merits per game. With some exceptions.

Knowing how Sten feels about mages (and female adventurers in general) has unfortunately colored me to him per run. A lot of the time I never let him out of that cage in Lothering now. However, I have always been leery of letting him out in the first place. He isn't just an accused murderer, he's confirmed guilty, he'll confirm it by his own mouth. My female mages would leave him there for his nasty anti-mage comments anyway (so yea in a way I do that) but the whole 'child killer' kinda puts the nail in his coffin. Esp on my HN

As for Vaughan, if I don't need his vote (and I've finally figured out how to shaft Anora AND not have Vaughan's vote) he stays in his cage. I don't kill him, its funnier to watch him rant and rave behind the bars. Yea probably someone will let him out but I don't know how they will since my PC has the key. I wish there was a moment you could melt the lock too so you know he's gonna rot for a long long long time.

And for Alistair, I always romance him (when I play a female) whether I'm a Cousland or not. Half the time I leave Anora on the throne, half the time I put Alistair on it. So I don't hold Anora's actions in other game worlds against her since they don't 'happen' in my current games. Nor do I hold Alistair's against him by thinking "OMG he totally dumped me in the last game, so I'm having him executed this time".

Howe never gets spared on any of my PC's (because it's built into the game to kill him) but killing him lacks the venom on a mage or an elf since I really have no personal grudge against him (unlike the Cousland who takes unholy glee at finally having his corpse at his/her feet).

Loghain always dies in my games, I have yet to find an origin who (in my head) doesn't mind all the crap he pulls in game. However some Origins take more pleasure out of killiing him (my CE in particular does). Maybe if I can ever finish the game on a dwarf I can finally. She would be the most removed from the concerns of Ferelden since Orzammar is so insular, but it's really not in my head to let a menace like that run amuck without holding him accountable for his actions.

So probably not.

[mousestalker]

Vaughan died in all but one of my playthroughs (My Aeducan left him to rot, one of my better fanfics came from that). Also, I always, always , always plan out whether or not I'm romancing Alistair and how.



Other than that, I try very hard to let each playthrough begin fresh.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

No, I start fresh each time.



eg. Vaughan has both lived and died in my playthroughs. First HN left him to rot, and like in mousestalker's reply he's come back in a fanfic. My CE playthrough Vaughan was killed in the Origin. On my current one (HN again) I'll probably let him out in exchange for a Landsmeet vote.

[Mariefoxprice83]

I didn;t know Vaughan could ever be in a cage! My first character who made it to the end killed him at the beginning for raping Shianni and I don't remember even meeting him with the 2nd character. I kinda want to do that to him. How do you make that happen?

Modifié par Mariefoxprice83, 06 février 2011 - 12:48 .

[Shinobu]

I haven't gotten that far with anyone other than the CE, but I believe with other origins he and Soris are in the dungeon of Arl Howe's Denerim estate. You can free Vaughn in exchange for a Landsmeet vote, kill him, leave him or (I've heard) intimidate him into joining the Chantry.

[Mariefoxprice83]

Ah cool. Ihave rescued Soris from the dungeons twice as well as Riordan and some other guy but definitely didn't see Vaughan last time.

[mousestalker]

Vaughan should be in a cell next to the lyrium addled templar.

[Mariefoxprice83]

I will look for him next time!

[Mykel54]

I let Vaughan free becasue my warden doesn´t know what he did, and even if he knew, winning the landsmeet is a hell of a lot more important for your cause that getting pretty revenge.

[Mariefoxprice83]

Hmm. I think I will kill Marjolaine next time I come across her because I just finished Leliana's Song and Tug's death hit me hard. I let her live the first time I came across her. As for Vaughan, it will depend on how I feel next time I see him! The next character is going to be human noble so she won't know about the City Elf situation.

[Aran Linvail]

Vaughan - he stays in his cage and i get the key for his money , if im a Dalish elf he dies.
I always romance Morrigan and Leliana.
I never kill the mages or side with the wolfs against the Dalish , i cure the curse with all my chars.

Only time i change this is for achivments , aside for that always the same ... lol

Modifié par Baldurs Gate Fanboy, 06 février 2011 - 04:16 .

[errant_knight]

I play fresh, and sometimes while 'I' might want something, my characters don't do it. Vaughn, fo instance. My city elf killed him in the Origin, but my Cousland isn't the type to shiv hin through the bars, so he stays in the cage, much as she has the impression that he's rotton an knows he's a bigot. Sadly, she wouldn't blackmail him, either, so we don't get the money.

[Zjarcal]

When it comes to Vaugh, I admit that knowing who he is does slightly influence my decision to kill him (after blackmailing him for the money of course ), but since Soris tells you about him and Vaughn makes that racist comment against elves, it's not that hard to justify his death for any of my characters.

Aside from Vaughn though, I do keep a neutral attitude towards all other NPCs.

[Janni-in-VA]

It's hard not to metagame, but I do try to keep each playthrough separate. The question becomes, "What would this character do in this situation?". For example, I've killed Zevran (he attacked the wrong dwarf), let him live, romanced him and not, and sometimes not even bothered to make him a friend. I must say, however, that like Sylvanaerie, I've never found a reason to let Loghain live. I've seen it handled very well in fanfictions, but I've never yet been able to do it. I've never yet been able to kill the Dalish, sacrifice the captured elves, kill the mages or keep the Anvil either. I keep vowing that I'm going to do a dark side playthrough just to make all those decisions I don't normally make, but I've not been able to do it yet. I just can't seem to put myself in the proper frame of mind. Yeah, even though my PCs aren't me, they are reflections of me, I guess.

Modifié par Janni-in-VA, 06 février 2011 - 09:06 .

[Mariefoxprice83]

Hmm...I let Loghain live last time because I was going to make him kill the ARchdemon but I changed my mind and sacrificed myself in the end so I will have to let him live one more time just to get the Achievement...otherwise I won't. Plus I want to get the dialogue where Zevran tells him he failed the mission!



I will never kill Zevran if I can help it and I think I will always recruit all the party members when the chance comes even if only so I can mix and match them for the general wandering about between the big fights. I do find it hard to make the least moral chohices delberately though - chickened out of it when I tried with my last character but I will try to do it again and stick with it!

[Shinobu]

I also have problems doing the renegade choices. I just don't think I'll enjoy killing the Dalish or Connor or Leliana.

[sylvanaerie]

heh even my current PC (who is very dark) is still making the morally 'white' choices in the game (Ending the curse, sparing the tower mages and he will be doing the Circle option for Connor). The only things I have never been able to do in game is Defile the Ashes (that's just a personal anathema to me to defile someone's final remains) and to spare Loghain (cause I don't put up with crap from idiots).

I will be killing Zev in Denerim this time (something I have yet to do and its KILLING me not to talk to him cause I really love the character). I have killed Connor (on my Dalish) sided with the wolves and killed the Dalish (for the achievement and reloaded), I've sided with the templar (my first playthrough and I didn't know what I was doing...OOOPS Sorry guys). I abandoned Redcliffe once on an old save just to see what happens. (Angry Teagan is freaking HOT! But I couldn't make that part of my playthrough, Teagan is just so brokenhearted that he failed to protect those poor people). I sided with Branka but then got her to let me destroy it and she threw herself into the lava. Poor Shale didn't like me doing that and she died that run.

I've done different things with Jowan. I've betrayed him to Irving, helped him as a friend, let him redeem himself in Redcliffe entering the Fade (that was something I will NEVER do again. Jowan sucks in there and died 3 times on easy trying to fight that demon). I've let him sacrifice Isolde, and I've left him to rot in the dungeon, and let him out to advise the PC and the Guerrins on what can be done to help. All depends on which PC is doing the run through that time. My Cousland is inclined to leave a known blood mage/maleficar where he is. My canon (mage) who helps him as a friend usually lets him go cause I love it when he shows up and Isolde has her fit and Teagan snaps at her that its all HER fault. heheh

[HolyAvenger]

Nah, I try not to meta-game. My HNM let Vaughan out as he didn't know any reason not to. My city elf female killed him in the origin. Anora is a huge one, I try to forget how she threw me to Cauthrien in the first playthrough...anyway, the answer is no, I like to RP fresh characters.

[Gilsa]

I keep my games separate and consider what my character would know. I've released Vaughn on my politically ambitious dwarf noble because a vote in the Landsmeet was the more pressing goal. My dwarf commoner didn't try to bring peace between the werewolves and Zath because Zath was the one that struck a bargain to commit troops to the cause if she agreed to his task. The werewolves offered nothing in return, not even troops for the Blight so the DC was pragmatic and finished the job she signed on for with Zath. Of course, it was revealed that he had hoped to not fulfill the contract after all that so harsh words were exchanged.



I automatically killed Marjolaine in every game so she'd leave Leliana alone no matter what, but once I saw Leliana's song, yeah, I started to kill her in the name of Tug the dwarf. =p

[sylvanaerie]

Gilsa wrote...

I keep my games separate and consider what my character would know. I've released Vaughn on my politically ambitious dwarf noble because a vote in the Landsmeet was the more pressing goal. My dwarf commoner didn't try to bring peace between the werewolves and Zath because Zath was the one that struck a bargain to commit troops to the cause if she agreed to his task. The werewolves offered nothing in return, not even troops for the Blight so the DC was pragmatic and finished the job she signed on for with Zath. Of course, it was revealed that he had hoped to not fulfill the contract after all that so harsh words were exchanged.

I automatically killed Marjolaine in every game so she'd leave Leliana alone no matter what, but once I saw Leliana's song, yeah, I started to kill her in the name of Tug the dwarf. =p

hehe I kill her for that awful fake accent.  if I could do the same to Erlina I would  It really grates on the ears.