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[PrinceOfFallout13]

Riloux wrote...

You take out elf and dwarf creation choices. (The most prominent aspect of Origins.) Why? Why, why, why, why, why, why? Why infinity? Why? Instead of giving us more options, you took them out entirely. Makes for terrific roleplaying.

You change the art style completely so there is no consistency between the games anymore. Dragon Age 2 doesn't even look like a part of Thedas anymore. And before you tell me it's not Ferelden, I will reply that I severely doubt the landscape and architecture would change so dramatically moving a little north of Ferelden. 

Varric. I don't understand the love for this character. He doesn't look anything like the dwarves we see in DA:O. He looks like a short stumpy human. His face is not dwarf-like in the least.

No aerial tactical camera. This tells me the game doesn't require much tactical management of your party members and will be more or less like a hack and slash game.

Dialogue Wheel; Paraphrasing. Taking the fun out of having to read through the choices, figure out the tones of each line and picking an option. Now, you have pretty colors telling you what's bad and what's good, your only two options. 

Approval. Either they love you or dislike you slightly. Can't be evil anymore.

Edit: One more point. You're not in charge of your character's destiny anymore. You're just watching the already established story of some random human unfold while your role is to fill it in with colorful dialogue.

There's more, but I'm tired of typing and each point is making me exponentially angrier. 

Why all these changes? You had a great thing going with DAO. Couldn't we just have more of that? With each new piece of news that informed me about features being stripped away or becoming less complex in Dragon Age 2, I became progessively less interested. It seems like you've just moved backwards. 

1.base on the porcentage of players who played dwarves and elfs, humans dominated by more than 70% so it was not and never was the prominent aspect of origins

2.the only thing that changed much was the darkspawn and kirkwall is different than ferelden, compare london to new york

3. hes a dwarf just not big nosed and not your typical stone stereotype dwarf he was raised in the surface and is from a family of merchants iirc

4.just so wrong in many levels i wont even waste my time with this one

5.you have more than 2 you have more options like good,bad,sarcasm,companion interruption,question,flirting etc...

6.and yes because being forced to being a warden and stop the blight was your choice of destiny

next time try to differentiate between sci fi and medieaval fantasy


EDIT:great first time being

Modifié par PrinceOfFallout13, 06 février 2011 - 06:04 .

[Rockworm503]

for every thread like this is made 7 more are created on the steam forums.

[OSUfan12121]

Maybe u should wait for the game to come out before making broad assumptions? Also debs will only lock the thread if people can't have a civil conversation.

[Emperor Mars]

I will only address a few of things the op said..I am tired and it would take me to long to state my argument....http://xkcd.com/386



It was said before.

This is Dragon Age 2, not Dragon Age: Origins 2.



A short stumpy human? I mean..the dwarves in Origins looked like that as well...



Try going a few hundred miles north of North Africa, know what you get? You get Italy...I would say those two areas are fairly different in geography. Go a few hundred miles south of South Africa and you get Antarctica...

Australia, China, Russia, Spain, California, Texas/Mexico...All these just to name a few have significant geographical changes within a few hundred miles. While the true distance is unknown in Thedas...one can assume that the writers can take creative liberty with geography/climate..http://tvtropes.org/...sionOfDisbelief



Uhm...We never had good or evil in Dragon Age...it was always the approval system....



There is no good vs bad, its Noble vs self interest...or flirty vs stern...



Yeah I'm done, I feel fairly satisfied with what I have said.

[namedforthemoon]

It's their game. They can do what they want with it.



Varric is a surface-born dwarf. He's adapted to the human environment that he grew up in. Mary Kirby has given us all sorts of interesting information about why he's different.

[Vicious]

What I have come to realize about DA:O and people who are sticklers for it, are that most of the things they most enjoyed about the game happened in their imagination.

[TheRevanchist]

DAO was called Dragon Age:Origins because it had...GASP...Origin stories! Even when DAO was being marketed it was never stated these games would be sequals...ever...from the beginning it was meant to be a collection of stories set in the same universe...seriously people need to understand this,

[Apollo Starflare]

Anarya wrote...

Just learn about DA2 today, did you? Ah this takes me back.

I'm having flashbacks, they're coming thick and fast. *flails*

But seriously, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this wasn't your intention (it's your opinion etc.) but this is essentially trolling a large portion of this forum and I dare not think of the direction this thread may soon take. I mean, some of those things have either been debunked or look a lot better than they did x amount of months ago (tactical combat for instance, do people really still think DA2 is going to be a hack and slash after all this time? What am I saying, of course they do.)

Anyway, I hope that you give the game a chance via demo or something and it turns out to be more to your liking than you think (if not, there are plenty of other fish in the sea), but I really can't say I agree with any of what you've said.

Especially the bit about Varric.

[DTKT]

Riloux wrote...

You take out elf and dwarf creation choices. (The most prominent aspect of Origins.) Why? Why, why, why, why, why, why? Why infinity? Why? Instead of giving us more options, you took them out entirely. Makes for terrific roleplaying.

You change the art style completely so there is no consistency between the games anymore. Dragon Age 2 doesn't even look like a part of Thedas anymore. And before you tell me it's not Ferelden, I will reply that I severely doubt the landscape and architecture would change so dramatically moving a little north of Ferelden. 

Varric. I don't understand the love for this character. He doesn't look anything like the dwarves we see in DA:O. He looks like a short stumpy human. His face is not dwarf-like in the least.

No aerial tactical camera. This tells me the game doesn't require much tactical management of your party members and will be more or less like a hack and slash game.

Dialogue Wheel; Paraphrasing. Taking the fun out of having to read through the choices, figure out the tones of each line and picking an option. Now, you have pretty colors telling you what's bad and what's good, your only two options. 

Approval. Either they love you or dislike you slightly. Can't be evil anymore.

Edit: One more point. You're not in charge of your character's destiny anymore. You're just watching the already established story of some random human unfold while your role is to fill it in with colorful dialogue.

There's more, but I'm tired of typing and each point is making me exponentially angrier. 

Why all these changes? You had a great thing going with DAO. Couldn't we just have more of that? With each new piece of news that informed me about features being stripped away or becoming less complex in Dragon Age 2, I became progessively less interested. It seems like you've just moved backwards. 

Its never really was a sequel. They simply took a name they had already established and ran with it.

Then, for reasons of accessibilty, marketing and customer feedback, they changed the mechanics of the game. Some of those change might not sit well with you but keep in mind that it's your very own opinion and probably not the general feeling about DAII.

[dreamextractor]

What does Varric having a fanbase have to do with anything about the topic title?

Also, it's not so much as watching an already established story unfold - from what I gather, you're the one deciding how Hawke gets there, much like how you're the one that, oh, decides on how the Warden gathers his army and stops the Blight.

It's not that much different because the Warden's destiny was ALSO set in stone due to his status as a Grey Warden. You could decide how to slay the Archdemon, maybe, but it's not like you could decide to not slay it in the end (well, you could make Alistair or Loghain do it, but...you couldn't decide that you didn't want to slay it at all.) 

You were never fully in charge of the Warden's destiny, whether good or evil. It will likely be the same for Hawke.

Modifié par dreamextractor, 06 février 2011 - 06:12 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I would love to see the real statistics on this supposed percentage of players who mostly only played human characters. I think it was a made up Bioware statistic just so they wouldn't have to make more than one race and incorporate the new love of voiced-protagonists. I can make up my own statistics too, let me just jump in Photoshop, Illustrator or some crap Office program and make a pie chart really fast...nah, nothing will come of it!

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 06 février 2011 - 06:11 .

[TJPags]

yukidama wrote...

TJPags wrote...

chiliztri wrote...

How can you NOT like Varric?

Yes, I'm ignoring most of your post to point out this one travesty.

Because he waddles.

Although, I'm sure plenty of people think it's cute.

BUT IT'S SO CUTE >.>

Thank you for validating my faith in humanity. 

[Riona45]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would love to see the real statistics on this supposed percentage of players who mostly only played human characters. I think it was a made up Bioware statistic just so they wouldn't have to make more than one race and incorporate the new love of voice protagonists. I can make up my own statistics too, let me just jump in Photoshop, Illustrator or some crap Office program and make a pie chart really fast...nah, nothing will come of it!

You make a good case for Bioware never showing you (and by extension, all of us fans) any statistics--if you don't like what they show, you'll just assume they are lying.

If you assume bad faith on their part, why should they show you anything?  It'd be a losing game for them.

Modifié par Riona45, 06 février 2011 - 06:13 .

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would love to see the real statistics on this supposed percentage of players who mostly only played human characters. I think it was a made up Bioware statistic just so they wouldn't have to make more than one race and incorporate the new love of voiced-protagonists. I can make up my own statistics too, let me just jump in Photoshop, Illustrator or some crap Office program and make a pie chart really fast...nah, nothing will come of it!

not everyone cared about dwarfes and elves just because you like elves doesnt  mean they are the most used race

[TheRevanchist]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would love to see the real statistics on this supposed percentage of players who mostly only played human characters. I think it was a made up Bioware statistic just so they wouldn't have to make more than one race and incorporate the new love of voiced-protagonists. I can make up my own statistics too, let me just jump in Photoshop, Illustrator or some crap Office program and make a pie chart really fast...nah, nothing will come of it!

This made me chuckle because everyone always assumes Bioware lies about everything lol.

[Falls Edge]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would love to see the real statistics on this supposed percentage of players who mostly only played human characters. I think it was a made up Bioware statistic just so they wouldn't have to make more than one race and incorporate the new love of voice protagonists. I can make up my own statistics too, let me just jump in Photoshop, Illustrator or some crap Office program and make a pie chart really fast...nah, nothing will come of it!

Surveys and statistics are incredibly useful.

Also, it really is that it's kind of ridiculous to question the veracity of a statistic that I can't even remember where I found it, maybe I'm wrong.

[Morning808]

I am sorry but as how PrinceOfFallout13 pointed out you have flaws with some of your points but I am happy the changed the dwarves they were ugly in Origins so to me the reasons why you are mad are invalid.

But I also but know why people love Varric so much but that might be because I don't like dwarves that much...and the game is not out so I have no clue how anyone can love a character they really know nothing about

[Rockworm503]

My troll sense is going off here.

[DTKT]

Riona45 wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would love to see the real statistics on this supposed percentage of players who mostly only played human characters. I think it was a made up Bioware statistic just so they wouldn't have to make more than one race and incorporate the new love of voice protagonists. I can make up my own statistics too, let me just jump in Photoshop, Illustrator or some crap Office program and make a pie chart really fast...nah, nothing will come of it!

You make a good case for Bioware never showing you (and by extension, all of us fans) any statistics--if you don't like what they show, you'll just assume they are lying.

If you assume bad faith on their part, why should they show you anything?  It'd be a losing game for them.

They did show stats for ME2:

http://kotaku.com/56...s-soldier-dudes

[Falls Edge]

Rockworm503 wrote...

My troll sense is going off here.

You'd unfortunately be wrong, though the heartland of the fanbase is not exactly the best place to post dissenting opinion.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Ah, everyone that quoted me just didn't get the message. If you read it to the end then you might realize you only succeeded in bumping this thread. Thanks for playing!

[UndercoverDoctor]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Klace wrote...

It's Dragon Age 2.
Not Dragon Age: Origins 2.

Where is Dragon Age 1 then?

On a side note: I can't belive Valve titled the first Gothic game, Gothic 1 on steam. Who does that!?

[Lord_Saulot]

Is it July again?

[AlanC9]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would love to see the real statistics on this supposed percentage of players who mostly only played human characters. I think it was a made up Bioware statistic just so they wouldn't have to make more than one race and incorporate the new love of voiced-protagonists. I can make up my own statistics too, let me just jump in Photoshop, Illustrator or some crap Office program and make a pie chart really fast...nah, nothing will come of it!

As already mentioned, if you think the devs are lying whenever they say something you don't like... well, there's really no point talking to you , is there?

Modifié par AlanC9, 06 février 2011 - 06:21 .

[Riona45]

DTKT wrote...
They did show stats for ME2:

Yes, and?  That has nothing to do with the point I was making.