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[Rockworm503]

[quote]mr_nameless wrote...




[/quote]1.base on the porcentage of players who played dwarves and elfs, humans dominated by more than 70% so it was not and never was the prominent aspect of origins

ROFL. Based on the percentage of people who plays RPGs, Boardgames, use film, drinks wine, paint..... we shoulnd't even have all these!!!!  Most people don't even know LOTR was a book before the movies. Frack percentages and mainstream. 



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I agree I met someone a while back went on a big rant about how much he hates LOTR because he hates things that rip off World of Warcraft.............. Yeah I was too stunned to respond.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 06 février 2011 - 06:42 .

[Falls Edge]

But I liked playing as a Dwarf Noble.

Edit: 70% played Human, but 30% liked the other, ergo you're pissing off 30% of your fanbase by making it pure-human.

Modifié par Falls Edge, 06 février 2011 - 06:52 .

[Addai]

Sorry OP. There are a lot of us who feel much like you do and don't like the changes. I've just decided not to dwell on it. It's still Dragon Age, there will be redeeming features- so I hope- and we'll just have to see where the franchise goes from here. I'm afraid that with the voiced PC we can probably kiss having a choice of races goodbye, though.

[Fenn_]

xnoxiousx wrote...

Fenn wrote...

I understand the point your trying to make but try the demo first then judge don't jump the gun.

Demo wont change that there 1 origin and you can only be human.

Yes I am well aware of that but who knows she may like it. I don't like some of the chages ethier , but I will reserve judgement for when I try it not like ranting is going to change anything at this point a month before the game comes out.

Modifié par Fenn , 06 février 2011 - 06:51 .

[AlanC9]

mr_nameless wrote...
1.base on the porcentage of players who played dwarves and elfs, humans dominated by more than 70% so it was not and never was the prominent aspect of origins

ROFL. Based on the percentage of people who plays RPGs, Boardgames, use film, drinks wine, paint..... we shoulnd't even have all these!!!!  Most people don't even know LOTR was a book before the movies. Frack percentages and mainstream. 

No percentages, no mainstream. Gotcha.

So the OP can declare anything at all, no matter how silly, to be the most prominent aspect of DAO. And anyone else can say that the OP is full of it because whatever the OP is talking about isn't actually important.

[Cazlee]

Falls Edge wrote...

But I liked playing as a Dwarf Noble.

Dwarf noble was the best!

Yeah, initially it seemed that the Grey Warden would not be involved because DA2 wouldn't be about a blight. Yet here we are still killing hordes of darkspawn.

[Addai]

AlanC9 wrote...

No percentages, no mainstream. Gotcha.

So the OP can declare anything at all, no matter how silly, to be the most prominent aspect of DAO. And anyone else can say that the OP is full of it because whatever the OP is talking about isn't actually important.

The mainstream is not always the best.  Is that really hard to follow?  If you play to the mass market, you end up with mediocre crap.  Sorry to those who actually like Shepard, but generic space hero with inflectionless voice is dull as rocks.  We'll see how generic medieval hero fares.

[Morning808]

Cazlee wrote...

Falls Edge wrote...

But I liked playing as a Dwarf Noble.

Dwarf noble was the best!

Yeah, initially it seemed that the Grey Warden would not be involved because DA2 wouldn't be about a blight. Yet here we are still killing hordes of darkspawn.

As we did in Awakening which was after the blight

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I agree, the Dwarven Noble origin was great, even better than the Human Noble (which I also enjoyed).



I wonder about that too Cazlee, how often Darkspawn play a role in DA 2 after the escape north, from Lothering. Hawke isn't protected from potential darkspawn corruption and there "shouldn't" be a Blight with the arch demon dead...unless it's canon that Ferelden falls to the Darkspawn OR, the Greywardens are wrong about their theories.



It would make more sense just to leave the numbers aside since this isn't a sequel and call it something like Dragon Age: Hawke's Night Out.

[Rockworm503]

Addai67 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

No percentages, no mainstream. Gotcha.

So the OP can declare anything at all, no matter how silly, to be the most prominent aspect of DAO. And anyone else can say that the OP is full of it because whatever the OP is talking about isn't actually important.

The mainstream is not always the best.  Is that really hard to follow?  If you play to the mass market, you end up with mediocre crap.  Sorry to those who actually like Shepard, but generic space hero with inflectionless voice is dull as rocks.  We'll see how generic medieval hero fares.

more dull than no voice I bet?

[AlanC9]

Addai67 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

No percentages, no mainstream. Gotcha.

So the OP can declare anything at all, no matter how silly, to be the most prominent aspect of DAO. And anyone else can say that the OP is full of it because whatever the OP is talking about isn't actually important.

The mainstream is not always the best.  Is that really hard to follow?  If you play to the mass market, you end up with mediocre crap.  Sorry to those who actually like Shepard, but generic space hero with inflectionless voice is dull as rocks.  We'll see how generic medieval hero fares.

Looks like you didn't follow what I was responding to, which was a post saying that we can't use what people actually did when playing DAO to determine what was important about DAO. If he wants no standards at all I'm fine with that, but then nobody gets to call any particular feature of DAO important relative to any other feature.

And you're wrong about ME, but that's not relevant here.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I'm not going to read all the many, many posts on here. My reply is just about the comments presented by the OP...

I think the problem the OP is having is thinking of the game as a Dragon Age: Origins sequel. In fact, it can hardly be called a sequel at all, as it seems more like... Well what The Force Unleashed is to KotOR. They inhabit the same world, but that's as far as it goes.

IMO it was a poor choice to name it Dragon Age 2 in the first place when it's not a direct continuation. I think that decision was just made from a marketing point of view given the success of DA:O. I remember reading a post about why they didn't want to go with a subtitle, I think they were having trouble with one that fit and thought it seemed easier to slap a 2 on there. Whatever, it's not what I would've done.

What Origins highlighted was in the title; the varied origins you can choose for your character. That's why this isn't Dragon Age: Origins 2, because it's not the same format and that's not what this game is about. I'd think the fact that Dragon Age: Origins made a point of putting 'origins' in the title and talking about how the origins were so important in -this- game would make one realize that this wasn't to be the standard.

As for alignment.. Let's face it, you could never be evil in Origins. You can't side with the darkspawn. Nor can you not fight Loghain and just say 'Hey man, let's join up! You seem awesome!'. The game decides that you want to be a Warden, that you must defeat Loghain at the Landsmeet and that you will kill the Archdemon and save Ferelden. You can be a jerk, but the big plot points will always paint your character a hero, however flawed a hero you may be.

RE: Varric looking like a short human... I agree. I'm not really sure what was with the whole thing about how 'this new style emphasizes the differences between races', considering they've made elf women have bigger boobs like human women and made dwarf women have smaller, more human-like facial features. So basically the different 'standards of beauty' for female dwarves, elves, qunari and humans are.... small button noses, pouty lips and hourglass figures. What variety!

It seems like the only change that made either race -less- like humans was giving elves anime eyes and making their ears bigger. Neither change I really approve of, honestly.

[Falls Edge]

Edit: Got it sorry for the misinterpretation.

Modifié par Falls Edge, 06 février 2011 - 07:10 .

[Morning808]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I agree, the Dwarven Noble origin was great, even better than the Human Noble (which I also enjoyed).

I wonder about that too Cazlee, how often Darkspawn play a role in DA 2 after the escape north, from Lothering. Hawke isn't protected from potential darkspawn corruption and there "shouldn't" be a Blight with the arch demon dead...unless it's canon that Ferelden falls to the Darkspawn OR, the Greywardens are wrong about their theories.

It would make more sense just to leave the numbers aside since this isn't a sequel and call it something like Dragon Age: Hawke's Night Out.

Darkspawn still come out of the deep roads to attack (Not in massive armys) and I think the game starts somewhere near the middle of the first game so we could be fighting darkspawn for the first half and then something else the next.
Well we don't really know what Hawke is. He could be some crazy as monster, could of gone though the Joining somehow, or is just a simple human...we shall see

Modifié par Morning808, 06 février 2011 - 07:08 .

[Riona45]

Addai67 wrote...
The mainstream is not always the best.  Is that really hard to follow?  If you play to the mass market, you end up with mediocre crap. 

DA:O was a mass-market game, and human does not equal "generic."

[ThatDancingTurian]

Falls Edge wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I'm not going to read all the many, many posts on here. My reply is just about the comments presented by the OP...

I think the problem the OP is having is thinking of the game as a Dragon Age: Origins sequel. In fact, it can hardly be called a sequel at all, as it seems more like... Well what The forced unleashed is to Kotor.

You did not do that, edit that this instant, I do not want these thoughts in my head, Dragon age will be good It has to be.

I'm not talking about quality. I could have just as easily said "What KotOR is to the Original Trilogy". The point I'm trying to make is the 'brand' is Dragon Age and they are within the same world. But DA2, despite the misleading title, is not a sequel.

[Collider]

How is this a Dragon Age: Origins sequel anymore?

Same universe.

You roleplay as a character whose decisions have an important effect on the world.

[Addai]

AlanC9 wrote...

Looks like you didn't follow what I was responding to, which was a post saying that we can't use what people actually did when playing DAO to determine what was important about DAO. If he wants no standards at all I'm fine with that, but then nobody gets to call any particular feature of DAO important relative to any other feature.

And you're wrong about ME, but that's not relevant here.

Yes I did follow.  Using the telemetry data to see what the majority played and tailoring the new game to fit that, while eliminating the other choices= mainstreaming.

I'm not "wrong" about ME.  It's my opinion.  Unless you're the sort who thinks yours is objective reality.

[Falls Edge]

I'm taking what I said back.

Still this poster feels like she's been shafted, and liked Dao for its D&D aspects so to speak, nothing wrong with that.
I'm just worried that Ea has been whispering in the developers ears the whole time, and we're going to have a worse game than under the conditions they had from before.

Modifié par Falls Edge, 06 février 2011 - 07:15 .

[Morning808]

Falls Edge wrote...

I'm taking what I said back.

Still this poster feels like she's been shafted, and liked Dao for its D&D aspects so to speak, nothing wrong with that.
I'm just worried that Ea has been whispering in the developers ears the whole time, and we're going to have a worse game than under the conditions they had from before.

I understand that people have well placed hate for EA but I could never say that EA makes game worst because I none of the games I've played from them were bad in the sense that they made it worst. EA is a very good company they are just very greedy. So I think this game is going to do very very good just all this crazy DLC being throwen around and the later 800-1200 DLC (Most likely will cost that much) is and will be EA's doing.

[Beerfish]

Addai67 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Looks like you didn't follow what I was responding to, which was a post saying that we can't use what people actually did when playing DAO to determine what was important about DAO. If he wants no standards at all I'm fine with that, but then nobody gets to call any particular feature of DAO important relative to any other feature.

And you're wrong about ME, but that's not relevant here.

Yes I did follow.  Using the telemetry data to see what the majority played and tailoring the new game to fit that, while eliminating the other choices= mainstreaming.

I'm not "wrong" about ME.  It's my opinion.  Unless you're the sort who thinks yours is objective reality.

You never stated it as your opinion, you stated it as an absolute, thus you are indeed 100% totally wrong.

I say 'the sky is green'  I am right because it's my opinion.  State things as an opinion and no one will take issue with it.  Make an absolute statement and don't be least bit surprised when someone tells you, you are wrong.  Which you certainly were in that case.

[KLUME777]

I agree with OP, im not looking particularly forward to DA2, even though i have it Pre-ordered.

[Addai]

@Beerfish, LOL I say "Shepard is dull as rocks" and you read that as a scientific assessment? It's obvious I was stating my opinion. Do we really need IMOIMOIMOIMO in every post? Speaking of dull...

Modifié par Addai67, 06 février 2011 - 07:31 .

[In Exile]

Addai67 wrote...
I'm not "wrong" about ME.  It's my opinion.  Unless you're the sort who thinks yours is objective reality.

What Alan is refering to is not your dislike of Shepard, but rather the generic component. At least, that would be my guess. Marine/soldier leads are actually atypical in most science fiction.

Modifié par In Exile, 06 février 2011 - 07:36 .

[Riloux]

 I wasn't taking a stab at Varric fans. I was just stating that he looks nothing like the dwarves from DA:O.

It's true, I haven't been fanatically following DA2 and I didn't have the time to go through every rebuttal and clarification made by Bioware for the complaints I listed. I was simply airing my grievances based on what I had read about the game. It was probably not the most up to date information, so I'm sorry that most of what I said has been refuted, but I still stand by my complaints.

I can't imagine I'm the only one that feels alienated because of these sweeping changes, even on this forum. I loved DA:O and DA:OA and when I heard there was going to be a DA2, I was excited to be getting more DA:O.

Modifié par Riloux, 06 février 2011 - 07:38 .