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[Jonp382]

Jorina Leto wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is the worst BioWare game, I've played.

Agreed. I really didn't like any of the changes that were made in ME2, except for the removal of the inefficient and probably unrealistic inventory. The music is good though. I prefer ME1's but it's still good.

[Swordfishtrombone]

Jonp382 wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is the worst BioWare game, I've played.

Agreed. I really didn't like any of the changes that were made in ME2, except for the removal of the inefficient and probably unrealistic inventory. The music is good though. I prefer ME1's but it's still good.

I'm just playing ME2 for the first time, right after finishing ME1, and haven't yet formed a clear opinion on it - it's not a bad game though, that much I can tell.

It's funny that you mention the inventory, because that is one of the things I miss from ME1 - I'm still getting used to the new system, and so far not so fond of it. I'm liking that you can research upgrades though, and that you now have a use for the rare elements you find.

Oh, and the new ship has toilets! No need to pee in the corner anymore... :innocent:

I'm also liking the companion interactions so far, and the voice acting and writing is of high quality - I wouldn't expect anything less from Bioware. Annoying though that just as I got used to the ME1 controls, they switch things up for me. <_<

I'll have to get a lot further in the game before I can rank ME2 on my list of Bioware games....

[Moondoggie]

Somebody misses the inventory from ME1? That thing was bloody awful lol. Was a pain in the ass trying to find the weapon i want from a huge list that's in no sort of order and the upgrade i need for the combat situation i am in. It really slowed down the game i prefer the simple quick and easy upgrade and weapon select. And the item limit was a pain if you forgot to sell weapons to make room and you find a really cool gun you can't replace something else for it you just have to destroy the gun and turn it to omni gel it made zero sense.

[Noilly Prat]

I haven't played Shattered Steel, MDK 2, or the Sonic game.  Or the Mass Effect iPhone game.

Of the ones that I have played, the only ones that really disappointed me to any significant degree were NWN (which I actually quite enjoyed, though I didn't care for the lack of real companions and the story and characters never got interesting) and DA: Awakening.

Concerning Awakening: I think I'm one of the apparent minority who actually liked it quite a bit for what it was.  Maybe my expectations weren't what everyone else's were, but I thought it did a fine job at what it set out to do, and certainly wasn't anywhere below the standards of the NWN expansions.  Where this one disappointed me was in the bugginess and near unfinished state of certain bits.  I actually have a pretty high tolerance for bugginess and lack of polish-- I play Obsidian games-- but when I later found out that I missed out on half of the companion quests in Awakening due to bugs, it was a little hard to overlook that.

One more thing, to the people who've played Shattered Steel: I've seen this on GOG.com... do you think it's worth the download?

[Swordfishtrombone]

Moondoggie wrote...

Somebody misses the inventory from ME1? That thing was bloody awful lol. Was a pain in the ass trying to find the weapon i want from a huge list that's in no sort of order and the upgrade i need for the combat situation i am in. It really slowed down the game i prefer the simple quick and easy upgrade and weapon select. And the item limit was a pain if you forgot to sell weapons to make room and you find a really cool gun you can't replace something else for it you just have to destroy the gun and turn it to omni gel it made zero sense.

The reason it didn't annoy me that much was probably because I rarely adjusted my ammo to fit the enemy - I generally just went with a particular kind of ammo and stuck with it. That translated into very rare hassles with the inventory. The lack of sorting was annoying though - there was just sorting by the level of the item, not secondary sorting by type. Really odd that they wouldn't have added that in a patch - doesn't seem like a very difficult thing to do, and would have improved inventory management much.

Also, the inventory could have been improved by having items stack - if you've got 5 identical items, why not just list it once, and give the number?

But other than that, I really didn't have that much trouble with it - would have liked to see it back, with practical convenience improvements for ME2.

I think that the lack of a conventional inventory that would allow you to collect equipment, and sell what you don't need for cash, kinda made ME2 take a step away from the traditional RPG format.

[Jonp382]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

It's funny that you mention the inventory, because that is one of the things I miss from ME1 - I'm still getting used to the new system, and so far not so fond of it. I'm liking that you can research upgrades though, and that you now have a use for the rare elements you find.

The inventory in ME1 was way more informative, so I can see why someone would prefer it. But imo it was a PITA.

[Moondoggie]

I think taking steps away from the traditional RPG format is probably a good thing. They make enough traditional RPG's so why not try to be unconventional and appeal to a bigger audience. I know the RPG die hards love tons of loot with items that 90% of which they'll never actually use but i guess average joe doesn't want the hassle. I hope they find the happy medium with ME3 that appeals to the mainstream audiences but also keeps the RPG fans happy.

[mopotter]

Zevais wrote...

Sonic Chronicles did not feel like a proper Sonic game... being a Sonic fan... I didn't enjoy it.

Neverwinter Nights had some story flow points that I didn't like often. It is not that I am hung up on Elder Scrolls sort of free roam sort of story... I am definitely not. I like some more structure. NWN just didn't have an overall good flow to me, and I got bored of it quickly. It took me multiple playthroughs of Balders Gate and Dragon Age games to get to that same point.

For some reason, I have held off a bit on Mass Effect. I haven't played it because it seemed more like a shooter before. I am not into shooters. From some of the feedback I've been reading, I think I may pick up the games at some point and play them.

I do not play shooters. I do not play any on line game.   I've tried them and don't like them.  I was very concerned about ME but I do tend to trust Chris and got it.  It's actually my 2nd favorite BW game.  KOTOR is #1 and ME1 is #2.  I loved the story, I liked all of the characters and enjoyed the romance.  

I do play Fall Out 3 and NV  which I don't consider a shooter, probably becuase I can play it and I like exploring.  Morrowind with guns and no magic.  But even that one I didn't get it till it had been out for a year or so.

Since ME1 is now fairly cheap, I'd say try it.  

[mopotter]

Moondoggie wrote...

I wasn't so keen on Jade Empire. The controls for combat are stiff as hell. You can only perform a single attack, It';s very repetative in that aspect. And the last boss is pathetic. The story is decent enough but the side quests are really half assed.

A lot of people like it though so i guess it can't suck that much. I guess on the X Box it didn';t have much competition so was good. I played on PC so i guess i had already played much better games.

It's strictly personal choice, not suckiness.    Personally I don't buy their games for the combat.  I buy them for the story.  I liked the story in JE and I still play it once in a while between other games.  
I replay all of BioWare games that are on the xbox.  I don't replay the ones on the pc very often, becuase it's too much of a hassel to uninstall what I've got on it and reinstall something else, then putting the mods on them, becuase that's the one thing I like about the pc - the mods.  But that's just me.

[vometia]

Jonp382 wrote...

The inventory in ME1 was way more informative, so I can see why someone would prefer it. But imo it was a PITA.

Blimey, that brings back bad memories of trying to optimally equip my squad aboard the Normandy: going through endless, convoluted inventories and add-on menus became quite tedious after just a short while.  It worked well for one character, but not with endless trekking between the lockers and the resident salesdude.

[hangmans tree]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Have they?

Not yet, but they try really hard

[mopotter]

fchopin wrote...

Yes, ME2 was very bad. Very weak story with no substance.

If it was done by another game company i may have said it was an ok game but not from Bioware.

Liked ME2 as a game.   If it had been made by another company they probably would have left out some of the things I actually liked about ME2.  Is it my favorite game, no.  Could it have been better, definitely.  But for me it's still a good game.  I'm still playing it and I'm still having fun.  

My definition of a good game is one I like enough to replay, your's may be different.

[mopotter]

Deathwurm wrote...

Like someone else mentioned: this is purely subjective...
For me, they've pretty much been involved somehow in all of my favorite Games...even the gang at CDProjekt Red used Bioware's Aurora Engine in The Witcher.
Everyone's going to find one they don't like, for me it was NWN2 and that had more to do with graphics issues than anything.

Someone has probably said this allready, but I'll say it too.   :happy: They didn't do NWN2 Obsidian did this and KOTOR2.

[In Exile]

I thought the NWN OC was poor and the first expansion was mediocre, but I did really like HoTU.

I found BG/BG 2 to just poor-to-mediocre. I played them later than released, based on all they hype they seemed to be getting as "Greatest Of All Time!". In this respect, I am speaking abou the story/characters exclusively; I dislike D&D as a ruleset, so I can't judge gamplay. But in terms of the story and characters, short of Irenicus, all I see are characters & implementations Bioware did better in their future games. It's reading a first draft of something. You can see where all the parts are going, but it needs a lot of work before it's presentable.

[lazuli]

In terms of gameplay, both ME1 and Knights of the Old Republic are train wrecks, but I don't think I'd call them bad games.

[Ryzaki]

If Jade Empire felt slow that's probably because you didn't remove the frame limiter that limited it to 30FPS.

[DukeOfNukes]

ME2 is quite possibly my second least favorite BioWare game. That said...I played it twice, and plan on playing it more in the future.



My least favorite was Sonic Chronicles...which was by no means a BAD game, but not as amazing as everything else.

[Swordfishtrombone]

I'm far enough into ME2 now to have formed somewhat of a better opinion - I definitely enjoy the game. There are some plusses, one BIG minus and some changes I'm not sure about compared to ME1:

Plusses:
+ Better implementation of the paragon/renegade thingy - liking the optional conversation interrupts.
+ More dynamic combat - I think the companion AI is better than in ME1, and actually surpricingly good.
+ Improved graphics
+ Better "mining", and now you can put the mined minerals to use.

Negative:
---- Severely pruned customization of... almost everything, from skills to weapons

Not sure about:
+- The thermal clips, instead of overheating and unlimited ammo. I hate running around picking up dropped thermal clips, but on the other hand, I tend to use a wider variety of weapons in ME2 than I did in ME1 - being forced to do so because of running out of "ammo". I'm not sure whether the balance goes to negative or positive.

+- The "mission" format. Feels somewhat out of place in an RPG.


Overall, the writing is good, as usual with Bioware, I like the companions, and I'm enjoying playing the game. Isn't my favorite Bioware game, but a very good one nevertheless.

[Deathwurm]

mopotter wrote...

Deathwurm wrote...

Like someone else mentioned: this is purely subjective...
For me, they've pretty much been involved somehow in all of my favorite Games...even the gang at CDProjekt Red used Bioware's Aurora Engine in The Witcher.
Everyone's going to find one they don't like, for me it was NWN2 and that had more to do with graphics issues than anything.

Someone has probably said this allready, but I'll say it too.   :happy: They didn't do NWN2 Obsidian did this and KOTOR2.

Ohh...shoot...you're right!
That explains a LOT!
I uninstalled NWN2 and threw it on the "shouldn'ta" pile as soon as I finished it  so I didn't have it in front of me when Posting...

[Busomjack]

No, Bioware has never made a bad game.  Even it's first game shattered steel was ahead of it's time.  Even though I was just 13 at the time I remember enjoying Shattered Steel more than Mechwarrior 2 mercenaries which was the huge mech game at the time.  Some people have mentioned Sonic Chronicles but lets consider what we're dealing with here for a second.

It's a Sonic RPG. The fact that the game is even tolerable is a remarkable achievement on Bioware's part.  To be honest, I am a big Sonic fan and I really liked it.

My least favorite Bioware game is Jade Empire.  I thought the storyline was good but the gameplay was too simplistic and boring.

It's far from being a bad game but it is probably the only Bioware game I think that is merely good but not great.

Mass Effect 1 had some major design problems such as it's broken inventory, mediore cover/shooting mechanics, weak AI, and a worthless currency system but it was saved by it's incredible story, dialogue system, and sense of scale.

Mass Effect 2's gameplay is vastly superior to the first games and just feels like a much more polished and cohesive game overall.

If I had to say what the best Bioware game is I would say that the best Bioware game is Dragon Age:Origins even though my personal favorite is Mass Effect 2.  I know that doesn't make much sense but the way I feel is that Dragon Age:Origins has the most depth and gameplay variety but I prefer the gameplay style and setting of Mass Effect 2 more.

Modifié par Busomjack, 10 février 2011 - 11:35 .

[Marixus99.9]

I haven't played a bad game from Bioware yet. Mass effect 2's gameplay is superior to its predecessor, but one problem...

Mass Effect 1: "Revelation on Reapers"
Me: *shock*

Mass Effect 2: "Collectors are ****"
Me: Meh...

Thanks to Mass Effect 2, I don't care about the reapers .. now I'm only going to play ME3 for my character's story. Maybe it was the presentation, maybe too much info was given early, or that stupid final boss ...

I remember when I played ME2 the 2nd time and once more saw Jacob explaining who the collectors were .. I wondered why they didn't make you find that info on your own... It felt like ME2 just traded the central story for better gameplay. I don't know how to explain it .. or it could just be the nature of sequels.

Modifié par Marixus99.9, 10 février 2011 - 08:49 .