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[LordShrike]

One more point i'd like to make.

If a networked AIs decide you gotta go, there ain't much you can do about it.Especially if they spend time thinking about it. So I guess genocide was not on Geth agenda.(Otherwise Tali would have been a Geth.) And that in my books IN THIS SITUATION! (MW) makes them blameless of any wrongdoing.

Lot of fun to read, Keep it up.

One day we will reach consensus:

We don't know.

[Urazz]

darknoon5 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Killing civvies does not count as self defence.

The geth were not justified to commit genocide, some of the worst war criminals in history could use the 'defence' argument. Yeah, well, when you kill people who had no chance to harm you, then it stops being self-defence.

True, but the Geth may not have realized that. All they knew was that their seemingly benevolent creators had turned on them, I doubt they could distinguish accurately between a soldier and civilian. There's also the fact that, as machines that had only just started to grasp sentience, they knew little of morals and right or wrong. They just saw a threat that needed to be eliminated. If you talk to Legion, it's clear the Geth feel some sort of guilt/remorse for their actions in the morning war.

Exactly, we have no idea of how developed Geth sentience was back then but they do seem regretful of what happened in the morning war if Legion is any indication.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

LordShrike wrote...

One more point i'd like to make.
If a networked AIs decide you gotta go, there ain't much you can do about it.Especially if they spend time thinking about it. So I guess genocide was not on Geth agenda.(Otherwise Tali would have been a Geth.) And that in my books IN THIS SITUATION! (MW) makes them blameless of any wrongdoing.
Lot of fun to read, Keep it up.
One day we will reach consensus:
We don't know.

I don't get this....

[darth_lopez]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Do you have any evidence to prove otherwise?

And so you retreat back to "guilty until proven innocent". Nice. Also nice how you declare that your assertion must be accepted as fact unless and until someone proves you wrong, rather than actually taking the time and effort to prove your own assertion. I am sorry but that is NOT going to fly. You are the one who is making an accusation against an entire species, so you prove it; don't just sit there and expect that your accusation is enough to establish guilt until someone proves them innocent. If you cannot or will not back up your assertions, then you should either qualify them as unfounded opinions or keep them to yourself.

I'm not saying that my assertion has to be accepted. I'm saying this:

You want to talk the talk (as in question those who agree with me for our evidence), you have to walk the walk (as in, come up with evidence that proves we're wrong and you're right), too. Otherwise, this isn't a discussion, it's just one side making statements and the other just basically saying "you don't know what you're talking about." This can go for both sides.

if you want evidence that the quarians engaged in acts that violate the rights of a sentient being you need only look over your past posts if you want evidence that they had no intentions of making peace with the geth you need only Talk to ME 1 tali. ME 2 Tali is little better and i will again Only 1 admiral supports geth-Quar Peace. The entire populous aboard the Migrant fleet is nearly completely against the Geth They do nothing but gossip negatively about legion while aboard. Where as Legion Speaks formally to quarians holding them almost in reverence by only calling them the Creators when they have enough info to know they are called quarian by other species. This sign of reverence and the fact that, according to legion, the geth have been attempting to Repair the Creators Homeoworld is indicative of NO i reapet NO feelings of genocide. No group that attempts to Kill off another willing helps it rebuild. Nor does it venerate them.

The only geth Group Responsible for genocide is the new heretic faction made apparent with the coming of sovereign. The only AI responsible for Genocide Is the Reaper threat. The Only 3 Groups in ME responsible for special genocide are the Salarians, Quarians, and Krogan.

To further substantiate the claim that the Quarians are the genocidal Madmen here, The majority of generals Wnat to Attack the geth Head on and reclaim their home world- No support of war with the geth says it stops at the Home world. They have conducted Experiments that If performed on Organic life forms would be condemned liek thsoe of the ****s in WW2. They have For all intents and Purposes Violated Basic Living Rights by attempting, multiple times, to Brainwash an Entire Species there by Rendering it Incapable of Sentient thought and recucing it to a mindles husk, They Have attempt to Deactivate permanently and dissassemble the geth Which to quote a Famous

Robot Johnny Five "Dissassemble? dissassemble is to die...NO DISSASSEMBLE!!"

Is tantamoun tto death. There by passively Causing the genocide of an entire species.

Both Cases are incredibly similar to genocide caused by Viral Weapon and Chemical Weapons. Ultimately when all else failed the quarians resorted to the bread and butter of organic Killing good old fashion violonce to kill a race, synthetic or otherwise, that was capable fo free thought and expression.

And only 1 quarian on the council 300 years later thinks it's a good idea to make peace... Someones race is dillusion with dreams of Genocidal grandeur i think

[darth_lopez]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The Quarians tried to reprogram them first, not kill them. When reprogramming them didn't work, they tried shutting them down (which isn't to say they attacked [as in started shooting them]), which caused the Geth to fight back.

You are really reaching here. Nobody in the game, not even the Quarians themselves, ever denied that the intention of the Quarians was to render the Geth non-sentient AFTER they had already achieved sentience. That is essentially death, since you are changing them from a condition where they qualify as a form of sentient life into a condition where they no longer qualify as life. However you get from "life" to "not life" is really irrelevant here; what IS relevant is that forcibly changing someone from the former state to the latter is murder. And doing it to an entire species is genocide.

Once again (and argue all you will, I still don't see it), I don't view the Geth as a species.

well then that's your problem To you Species is restricted by the narrow human idea of Flesh and Blood Nothing that doesn't breath slip or eat can be considered alive or on par with organic life which is consitently and obviously superior to the mechanations we've created to do what we can't. Totally Right We are always superior to robots we built to Think, Work, and Do things better for us than What we could our selves. Makes alot of sense. I get it. Even if something can think for itself and express itself intelligible with a language(by the linguistic definition) Unless it bleeds It's not Alive.

Not to be derogatory but that is verry narrow minded and if the Geth are not considered a species in your mind or alive you should leave the thread as then only the Quarians are responsible for Misprogramming their appliances resulting in an Apocolyptic y2k  where there appliances simply malfunction and kill everything. Thus because geth are not alive nor their own species(mind you their physical design mirrors the Quaurians feature by feature up to the light bulb) the Quarians Were their own killers.

[MercenaryRQ]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...


Once again (and argue all you will, I still don't see it), I don't view the Geth as a species.

"I don't view the Geth as a species" ... the moment they got sentient they became one. might be the point that you should try to rethink...

a young one with little knowledge aside of mining minerals or whatever tasks the quarians made them for.
then once the geth ask questions like what a soul is, the quarians only think about the loss of their slaves...

[LordShrike]

To Ramirez Wolfen:
AIs are smart, networked AIs are smarter. Especially compared to human-like intelligence.
If they decide to kill you, you are dead. No exeptions. It's like EDI going rampant, you can't do anything to stop it.
Cant see them as a Species? Artificial Intelligence, Thats "Sentient" for computers.
(This thread is fast!)

Modifié par LordShrike, 07 février 2011 - 10:04 .

[MercenaryRQ]

darth_lopez wrote...


well then that's your problem To you Species is restricted by the narrow human idea of Flesh and Blood Nothing that doesn't breath slip or eat can be considered alive or on par with organic life which is consitently and obviously superior to the mechanations we've created to do what we can't. Totally Right We are always superior to robots we built to Think, Work, and Do things better for us than What we could our selves. Makes alot of sense. I get it. Even if something can think for itself and express itself intelligible with a language(by the linguistic definition) Unless it bleeds It's not Alive.

Not to be derogatory but that is verry narrow minded and if the Geth are not considered a species in your mind or alive you should leave the thread as then only the Quarians are responsible for Misprogramming their appliances resulting in an Apocolyptic y2k  where there appliances simply malfunction and kill everything. Thus because geth are not alive nor their own species(mind you their physical design mirrors the Quaurians feature by feature up to the light bulb) the Quarians Were their own killers.

i would actually say that the geth do bleed... to us it might just be machine oil (or whatever it is) but for them it is essential to keep their hardware/bodys working

[darth_lopez]

Urazz wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Killing civvies does not count as self defence.

The geth were not justified to commit genocide, some of the worst war criminals in history could use the 'defence' argument. Yeah, well, when you kill people who had no chance to harm you, then it stops being self-defence.

True, but the Geth may not have realized that. All they knew was that their seemingly benevolent creators had turned on them, I doubt they could distinguish accurately between a soldier and civilian. There's also the fact that, as machines that had only just started to grasp sentience, they knew little of morals and right or wrong. They just saw a threat that needed to be eliminated. If you talk to Legion, it's clear the Geth feel some sort of guilt/remorse for their actions in the morning war.

Exactly, we have no idea of how developed Geth sentience was back then but they do seem regretful of what happened in the morning war if Legion is any indication.

i wasn't aware pheadon posted normally i don't argue against him but
here i'd have to say Due to the traumatic shock of waking up and asking
your creators if you have purpose only to have them respond by trying
to brain wash you and shut you down the only purpose you have at that
point is to survive and repel the hostiles. War has no morals it is
cold and deadly. While again i will say it's unethical and a more
advanced race would be able to distinguish, It is certaintly
Justifiable in the face of extinction. If not understandable. Would we
not do the same if an unknown race suddenly came down and tried to
destroy us? Human Behavior and culture dictates we would.

[James2912]

LordShrike wrote...

To Ramirez Wolfen:
AIs are smart, networked AIs are smarter. Especially compared to human-like intelligence.
If they decide to kill you, you are dead. No exeptions. It's like EDI going rampant, you can't do anything to stop it.
Cant see them as a Species? Artificial Intelligence, Thats "Sentient" for computers.
(This thread is fast!)

Uh thats silly since in ME1 the Geth were trying to kill you the entire time and epically failed. Honestly the Geth have weaknesses just like any race. 

[darth_lopez]

MercenaryRQ wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...


well then that's your problem To you Species is restricted by the narrow human idea of Flesh and Blood Nothing that doesn't breath slip or eat can be considered alive or on par with organic life which is consitently and obviously superior to the mechanations we've created to do what we can't. Totally Right We are always superior to robots we built to Think, Work, and Do things better for us than What we could our selves. Makes alot of sense. I get it. Even if something can think for itself and express itself intelligible with a language(by the linguistic definition) Unless it bleeds It's not Alive.

Not to be derogatory but that is verry narrow minded and if the Geth are not considered a species in your mind or alive you should leave the thread as then only the Quarians are responsible for Misprogramming their appliances resulting in an Apocolyptic y2k  where there appliances simply malfunction and kill everything. Thus because geth are not alive nor their own species(mind you their physical design mirrors the Quaurians feature by feature up to the light bulb) the Quarians Were their own killers.

i would actually say that the geth do bleed... to us it might just be machine oil (or whatever it is) but for them it is essential to keep their hardware/bodys working

good point but there is a difference in the way we view Blood and Oils(in the geth case Hydrolic fluid i think woudl be msot app) you could also say they have an intelligence relative to each one, Clock speed for the individual processor + RAM, they would also have their own mind, the AI's inside obviously, they would also have their own heart(PSU) and their own lungs(exauhst systems)

and so the line between Organic and Inorganic is blurred further.

[MercenaryRQ]

James2912 wrote...

LordShrike wrote...

To Ramirez Wolfen:
AIs are smart, networked AIs are smarter. Especially compared to human-like intelligence.
If they decide to kill you, you are dead. No exeptions. It's like EDI going rampant, you can't do anything to stop it.
Cant see them as a Species? Artificial Intelligence, Thats "Sentient" for computers.
(This thread is fast!)

Uh thats silly since in ME1 the Geth were trying to kill you the entire time and epically failed. Honestly the Geth have weaknesses just like any race. 

wrong... the heretics tried to kill shepard not the geth...

[darth_lopez]

MercenaryRQ wrote...

James2912 wrote...

LordShrike wrote...

To Ramirez Wolfen:
AIs are smart, networked AIs are smarter. Especially compared to human-like intelligence.
If they decide to kill you, you are dead. No exeptions. It's like EDI going rampant, you can't do anything to stop it.
Cant see them as a Species? Artificial Intelligence, Thats "Sentient" for computers.
(This thread is fast!)

Uh thats silly since in ME1 the Geth were trying to kill you the entire time and epically failed. Honestly the Geth have weaknesses just like any race. 

wrong... the heretics tried to kill shepard not the geth...

same species different name that's like saying
"humans tried to kill me"
"nah just cerberus tehy don't count"

But they do differ ideologically just like Cerberus and the Alliance.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

darth_lopez wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Do you have any evidence to prove otherwise?

And so you retreat back to "guilty until proven innocent". Nice. Also nice how you declare that your assertion must be accepted as fact unless and until someone proves you wrong, rather than actually taking the time and effort to prove your own assertion. I am sorry but that is NOT going to fly. You are the one who is making an accusation against an entire species, so you prove it; don't just sit there and expect that your accusation is enough to establish guilt until someone proves them innocent. If you cannot or will not back up your assertions, then you should either qualify them as unfounded opinions or keep them to yourself.

I'm not saying that my assertion has to be accepted. I'm saying this:

You want to talk the talk (as in question those who agree with me for our evidence), you have to walk the walk (as in, come up with evidence that proves we're wrong and you're right), too. Otherwise, this isn't a discussion, it's just one side making statements and the other just basically saying "you don't know what you're talking about." This can go for both sides.

if you want evidence that the quarians engaged in acts that violate the rights of a sentient being you need only look over your past posts if you want evidence that they had no intentions of making peace with the geth you need only Talk to ME 1 tali. ME 2 Tali is little better and i will again Only 1 admiral supports geth-Quar Peace. The entire populous aboard the Migrant fleet is nearly completely against the Geth They do nothing but gossip negatively about legion while aboard. Where as Legion Speaks formally to quarians holding them almost in reverence by only calling them the Creators when they have enough info to know they are called quarian by other species. This sign of reverence and the fact that, according to legion, the geth have been attempting to Repair the Creators Homeoworld is indicative of NO i reapet NO feelings of genocide. No group that attempts to Kill off another willing helps it rebuild. Nor does it venerate them.

The only geth Group Responsible for genocide is the new heretic faction made apparent with the coming of sovereign. The only AI responsible for Genocide Is the Reaper threat. The Only 3 Groups in ME responsible for special genocide are the Salarians, Quarians, and Krogan.

To further substantiate the claim that the Quarians are the genocidal Madmen here, The majority of generals Wnat to Attack the geth Head on and reclaim their home world- No support of war with the geth says it stops at the Home world. They have conducted Experiments that If performed on Organic life forms would be condemned liek thsoe of the ****s in WW2. They have For all intents and Purposes Violated Basic Living Rights by attempting, multiple times, to Brainwash an Entire Species there by Rendering it Incapable of Sentient thought and recucing it to a mindles husk, They Have attempt to Deactivate permanently and dissassemble the geth Which to quote a Famous

Robot Johnny Five "Dissassemble? dissassemble is to die...NO DISSASSEMBLE!!"

Is tantamoun tto death. There by passively Causing the genocide of an entire species.

Both Cases are incredibly similar to genocide caused by Viral Weapon and Chemical Weapons. Ultimately when all else failed the quarians resorted to the bread and butter of organic Killing good old fashion violonce to kill a race, synthetic or otherwise, that was capable fo free thought and expression.

And only 1 quarian on the council 300 years later thinks it's a good idea to make peace... Someones race is dillusion with dreams of Genocidal grandeur i think

1) Not 100% directed at you, but please stop bringing up what the present-day Quarians think. Whatever they think has nothing to do with whether the Geth's invovlement in the MW (which was in the past, the present day Quarians did not participate in the MW) was genocide or not. That is like saying this:

A man 200 years ago killed another man during a fight. The killer says it was self-defense. The dead man's family said it was murder. Jump 200 years later, the killer's family says that they would have killed the man, too. So because the killer's family says that they would have done the same thing, it's now murder?

[MercenaryRQ]

darth_lopez wrote...

MercenaryRQ wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...


well then that's your problem To you Species is restricted by the narrow human idea of Flesh and Blood Nothing that doesn't breath slip or eat can be considered alive or on par with organic life which is consitently and obviously superior to the mechanations we've created to do what we can't. Totally Right We are always superior to robots we built to Think, Work, and Do things better for us than What we could our selves. Makes alot of sense. I get it. Even if something can think for itself and express itself intelligible with a language(by the linguistic definition) Unless it bleeds It's not Alive.

Not to be derogatory but that is verry narrow minded and if the Geth are not considered a species in your mind or alive you should leave the thread as then only the Quarians are responsible for Misprogramming their appliances resulting in an Apocolyptic y2k  where there appliances simply malfunction and kill everything. Thus because geth are not alive nor their own species(mind you their physical design mirrors the Quaurians feature by feature up to the light bulb) the Quarians Were their own killers.

i would actually say that the geth do bleed... to us it might just be machine oil (or whatever it is) but for them it is essential to keep their hardware/bodys working

good point but there is a difference in the way we view Blood and Oils(in the geth case Hydrolic fluid i think woudl be msot app) you could also say they have an intelligence relative to each one, Clock speed for the individual processor + RAM, they would also have their own mind, the AI's inside obviously, they would also have their own heart(PSU) and their own lungs(exauhst systems)

and so the line between Organic and Inorganic is blurred further.

ok true... oil was not the best example, but at least i got through what i had in mind (english isnt my first language) and what you mentioned about their "organs" i didnt even thought about... the lines getting very blurry now

[billy67]

[quote]Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

.[/quote]

Once again (and argue all you will, I still don't see it), I don't view the Geth as a species.

[/quote]
Why not? what defines a species?

[James2912]

MercenaryRQ wrote...

James2912 wrote...

LordShrike wrote...

To Ramirez Wolfen:
AIs are smart, networked AIs are smarter. Especially compared to human-like intelligence.
If they decide to kill you, you are dead. No exeptions. It's like EDI going rampant, you can't do anything to stop it.
Cant see them as a Species? Artificial Intelligence, Thats "Sentient" for computers.
(This thread is fast!)

Uh thats silly since in ME1 the Geth were trying to kill you the entire time and epically failed. Honestly the Geth have weaknesses just like any race. 

wrong... the heretics tried to kill shepard not the geth...

They are still a network of AIs silly. I was proving that a network of AIs is anything but unstoppable.

[LordShrike]

To James2912: Thats just the Hardware, in my scenario its more like the whole planet plotting to kill you.In ME it's not like you live inside Geth station that can mediculously plan your downfall with out you realizing it. Geth in MW did not do that. it was more like:

Geth:Hello.

Quarian:Kill it with Fire!

Geth:?

This is getting off topic. so let's have a go at it in PM instead if we must.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

darth_lopez wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Pro_Consul wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The Quarians tried to reprogram them first, not kill them. When reprogramming them didn't work, they tried shutting them down (which isn't to say they attacked [as in started shooting them]), which caused the Geth to fight back.

You are really reaching here. Nobody in the game, not even the Quarians themselves, ever denied that the intention of the Quarians was to render the Geth non-sentient AFTER they had already achieved sentience. That is essentially death, since you are changing them from a condition where they qualify as a form of sentient life into a condition where they no longer qualify as life. However you get from "life" to "not life" is really irrelevant here; what IS relevant is that forcibly changing someone from the former state to the latter is murder. And doing it to an entire species is genocide.

Once again (and argue all you will, I still don't see it), I don't view the Geth as a species.

well then that's your problem To you Species is restricted by the narrow human idea of Flesh and Blood Nothing that doesn't breath slip or eat can be considered alive or on par with organic life which is consitently and obviously superior to the mechanations we've created to do what we can't. Totally Right We are always superior to robots we built to Think, Work, and Do things better for us than What we could our selves. Makes alot of sense. I get it. Even if something can think for itself and express itself intelligible with a language(by the linguistic definition) Unless it bleeds It's not Alive.

Not to be derogatory but that is verry narrow minded and if the Geth are not considered a species in your mind or alive you should leave the thread as then only the Quarians are responsible for Misprogramming their appliances resulting in an Apocolyptic y2k  where there appliances simply malfunction and kill everything. Thus because geth are not alive nor their own species(mind you their physical design mirrors the Quaurians feature by feature up to the light bulb) the Quarians Were their own killers.

1) In order to live, you have to die. The Geth can't die. So, they are not "alive".

2) Saying that  I should leave the thread because of my "narrow-minded" opinion is just like telling me to leave an art museum just because I only like Leonardo Da Vinci paintings.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

[quote]billy67 wrote...


[quote]Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

.[/quote]

Once again (and argue all you will, I still don't see it), I don't view the Geth as a species.

[/quote]
Why not? what defines a species? [/quote]

Living.

[darth_lopez]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...


1) Not 100% directed at you, but please stop bringing up what the present-day Quarians think. Whatever they think has nothing to do with whether the Geth's invovlement in the MW (which was in the past, the present day Quarians did not participate in the MW) was genocide or not. That is like saying this:

A man 200 years ago killed another man during a fight. The killer says it was self-defense. The dead man's family said it was murder. Jump 200 years later, the killer's family says that they would have killed the man, too. So because the killer's family says that they would have done the same thing, it's now murder?

Not really it's more like saying 200 years ago******* Valued Freedom and Still Does. 50 Years Ago ********was a dominant Super Power Militarily and Scientifically It still is. 400 years ago ******* was Lead by a Dictator It still is

This is something that is tied heavily to culture Culture Does not Change frequently and is heavily influenced by the generations that came before. ******* and all other ********* Love freedom and Democracy and Socialism Because we were raised to Not Because it was inherently Better.

The Current Quarians Likewise Hate Geth Because they Were Raised to by narrow Sited Techno-Xenphobes who felt they were the only ones Intelligent Enough to Judge Sentiency. Likewise the Desire for War and recapturing of the HomeWorld is passed down from gen to gen as the General Hatred of Communist regimes and other Facist Regimes has been in *******  for the past 50 years.

Due to the fact that the feeling hasn't deteriorated Replaced by the feelings of the newer generations all together yet One can surmize that from these real world trend all previous generations of Quarians within these past 300 years have favored the slo0gan "Death to the Geth" rather than "Co-Oped with my AI Friend"

it doesn't work on the base level of murder because there is something inherently wrong with killing something like you. But the geth aren't Like organics they think faster, they re-act faster, they are more iffecient they require no organic vices, the reporduce through enginneering. feelings of hatred against other ORganic Races are often deeply culturally imbedded for example the Awkward Dislike between ****** and ******* Communities in some parts of the world may stem from both differences in culture or the ******* an even that happened nearly 500 years ago. Similarly *******and ******* Tensions still persist well after 500 years of their origin with peace no where in site.

Hatreds don't just pop up they are learned Each generation either learns what they hate on their own or has it taught to them. And given the military governemnet of the Fleet i doubt they allow much freedom of philosophy on the Geth in school Most Quarians were Likely Taught to Hate the geth for taking their home world.

It is completely Valid. to Refrence Modern day Quarians in Mass Effect.

edit: because ************* has permiated society to the point that *************is no longer ***** when politely debating.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 07 février 2011 - 10:48 .

[James2912]

Darth Lopez,

Please erase all real life references in your post, the mods will close this thread if there is real life info on this thread. Three other threads on this subject were already closed because people posted real life info. 
Thanks!

Modifié par James2912, 07 février 2011 - 10:34 .

[darth_lopez]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...


1) In order to live, you have to die. The Geth can't die. So, they are not "alive".

2) Saying that  I should leave the thread because of my "narrow-minded" opinion is just like telling me to leave an art museum just because I only like Leonardo Da Vinci paintings.

incorrect on 1) they can die shepards killed at least 100 already and Legion nearly died.
Technology eventually wheres out and unfortunately you can never maintain everything for ever, It's likely that Magnets could kill them if they use magnetic storage in their Hardrive(their brain or their Memory system whatever you choice to call it) an EMP would or should kill the the geth. A platform with isolated Programs shutting down may kill the geth. Operation outside of recommended Temperatures may kill the geth. Burning will kill the geth. Being Paralyzed can kill the geth(can't get to hub to upload programs geth Die). A computer Virus can Kill the Geth.  Reformating should kill the Geth.  The geth are actually quite possibly the easiest faction to kill it's kinda odd that the quarians couldn't do it.

We have killed geth and we know that they can die and Do fear Death. If they did not fear death there would be no need to retaliate against the Creators and no need to stop the reapers.

on point (2)
No incorrect this is the Equivalent of me telling you to get out of a seminar because 1) you have no belief in  the material 2) you have no desire to understand the material 3) you're sole purpose is to accuse the material of being false while supporting your own material as true.

Again i wasn't meaning to Literally tell you to GTFO just a suggestion that so long as you do not view the Geth as  a Species or accept them as Alive you must by default agree that the Quarians Killed themselves and it was a self inflicted genocide. there is no way that the Non-Alive(typically indicative of dead), Non-sentient group can Deliberately Wipe out an Entire Race of sentient Alive people. However that People who created the Non-alive/dead, non sentient organic or inorganic machine can be  the cause to their own downfall.

So you are now Presented With 2 options Either

A) the Quarians Casued their own genocide through bad Program, combined with y2k + public panic disease and Orbital Chaos.

Or
the Quarians and geth were engaged in a brutal and devastating War with the intent to commit genocide falling on the Quarians and the intent to Survive falling on the Geth, who may or may not have commited war crimes, that are not necessarily indicative of genocide.

you pick those are the only conclussions that are within  your range to grasp



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Side Note Unfortunately i have to go to a linguistics class and talk a bit more about Phonology and possibly finally get into morphology for the next 3 hours so i'll be back around 10 EST

[darth_lopez]

James2912 wrote...

Darth Lopez,

Please erase all real life references in your post, the mods will close this thread if there is real life info on this thread. Three other threads on this subject were already closed because people posted real life info. 
Thanks!

hope i got it all

[Ramirez Wolfen]

darth_lopez wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...


1) In order to live, you have to die. The Geth can't die. So, they are not "alive".

2) Saying that  I should leave the thread because of my "narrow-minded" opinion is just like telling me to leave an art museum just because I only like Leonardo Da Vinci paintings.

incorrect on 1) they can die shepards killed at least 100 already and Legion nearly died.
Technology eventually wheres out and unfortunately you can never maintain everything for ever, It's likely that Magnets could kill them if they use magnetic storage in their Hardrive(their brain or their Memory system whatever you choice to call it) an EMP would or should kill the the geth. A platform with isolated Programs shutting down may kill the geth. Operation outside of recommended Temperatures may kill the geth. Burning will kill the geth. Being Paralyzed can kill the geth(can't get to hub to upload programs geth Die). A computer Virus can Kill the Geth.  Reformating should kill the Geth.  The geth are actually quite possibly the easiest faction to kill it's kinda odd that the quarians couldn't do it.

We have killed geth and we know that they can die and Do fear Death. If they did not fear death there would be no need to retaliate against the Creators and no need to stop the reapers.

on point (2)
No incorrect this is the Equivalent of me telling you to get out of a seminar because 1) you have no belief in  the material 2) you have no desire to understand the material 3) you're sole purpose is to accuse the material of being false while supporting your own material as true.

Again i wasn't meaning to Literally tell you to GTFO just a suggestion that so long as you do not view the Geth as  a Species or accept them as Alive you must by default agree that the Quarians Killed themselves and it was a self inflicted genocide. there is no way that the Non-Alive(typically indicative of dead), Non-sentient group can Deliberately Wipe out an Entire Race of sentient Alive people. However that People who created the Non-alive/dead, non sentient organic or inorganic machine can be  the cause to their own downfall.

So you are now Presented With 2 options Either

A) the Quarians Casued their own genocide through bad Program, combined with y2k + public panic disease and Orbital Chaos.

Or
the Quarians and geth were engaged in a brutal and devastating War with the intent to commit genocide falling on the Quarians and the intent to Survive falling on the Geth, who may or may not have commited war crimes, that are not necessarily indicative of genocide.

you pick those are the only conclussions that are within  your range to grasp



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Side Note Unfortunately i have to go to a linguistics class and talk a bit more about Phonology and possibly finally get into morphology for the next 3 hours so i'll be back around 10 EST

Geth can't die.  http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth is where I got this from. Also, here's an example of what I'm trying to say.

Let's say your computer was broken for good. All the data on the computer seems like it's lost forever, right? Actually, no it isn't. The info stored on that computer can be acquired again in exactly the same format (in exactly the same way) on a computer of exactly the same model. So it isn't like the computer died, because everything you had on it can you can have again in the exact same way. I don't consider that to be"living." If a human died, you couldn't get the exactly same model, the exactly same data, in the exactly same way. Meaning, that particular organic has died for good. It can't be repeated. To me, that is dying.