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[Whereto]

WOW, who cares its a bloody good game and something that may follow in countless other games/story foot steps, but is very well done. Like it or not, we live in the age of copying. You can look at the Japanese market, they pretty much make games with the exact same idea as the one that came out 2 days ago... EVERY good idea will soon be taken or done before, so get over mass effect not giving anything new to the genre. Mass Effect is a good game and depending on your point of view, can be slightly overrated. If you think just because it does something that was done before makes it less of a game, grow a brain.

[AlanC9]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

ApolloCloud wrote...
The value of art is subjective.

The definition is not.

The artistry behind a portrait is similar to the artistry behind photography (with the addition of there being a futher divide between portait and true image, allowing room for deviation from reality), where the originality of it lies in the original capture of an element of the real world, an element that will usually be of some intent of notability.

The definition of art is subjective. I look at pieces in museums of modern art, and immediately think "Thats crap, how can anybody call that art?"  I may not think its art, but others do.
Go have a look at Andres Serrano's work, and you tell me if its art of not. I say no.
http://en.wikipedia..../Andres_Serrano

No, that won't work. ApolloCloud's next move is simply to say that you're objectively wrong and Serrano's work is art. He could also push a theory that says that Serrano's work isn't art, which would make you right about Serrano by accident, but that would be a little more complex and not quite as rhetorically satisfying.

As for the troll issue.... crank, troll, what's the difference? As long as you're finding the thread entertaining, AC's motives aren't important.

[Toast120]

ArchDemonXIII wrote...

 Art is, and always will be, subjective. The fact that you're trying to define it using rigid structure shows you couldn't be missing the point more if you aimed in the opposite direction.

I could not agree more wholeheartedly. @ OP, You saying that art has to be defined and be done a certain way, argues against your own point of originality. Whether something isn't original or doesn't differentiate enough from reality doesn't make it unacceptable as an art form. I can not believe I even let this post get to me because you are more than likely nothing but a simple troll.

Modifié par Toast120, 09 février 2011 - 07:42 .

[KyleArcher]

Nope, Apollo's an exceptional troll.

[kidbd15]

Art is subjective. One man's old ugly portrait thrown in the trash is another man's beautiful protected treasure. One's man's complex engaging story and character is another man's trite convoluted boring story. Art is subjective. Get over it.

/thread

[Iwillbeback]

Lol I read the first post, well i didn't but i tried.



This is what i got from it



Good game + good idea's=Great game

Crap game + good idea's=Game few people know about.

[fromtheblackpast]

i always think its funny how people think that something like art, which is entirely made by humans, is a subject that can be defined like some sort of science. give it up apollodude. you can only experience or value art with your own mind, not some sort of scientific theory.

[fromtheblackpast]

i mean im really feeling sorry for you if you cant listen to a song or look at a picture without feeling what YOU make of it, but instead just thinking 'is this really objectively art? ill have to ponder about that'

[Ghost Warrior]

To the OP:
It's almost impossible for something to be original and without cliches today,so I think you're asking too much.It is a matter of personal opinion and you don't have to like the game,but you can't say it's nothing new because it is,despite all the cliches.When I first played ME1 I didn't expect it to take me where it did.ME2 was a little less original,but the important part is that most people could really enjoy in every second of both games.Also,ME has great characters,some of the best dialogs I've ever seen in games and movies,very good story and just an awesome SF atmosphere.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 09 février 2011 - 10:47 .

[Aggie Punbot]

Eh, give the guy/gal a break. Looks like people overhyped the game to the OP so much that it turned him/her into an insufferable douchebag who's only purpose is now to try to ruin an enjoyable game for other people.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 09 février 2011 - 10:54 .

[ApolloCloud]

It's almost impossible for something to be original and without cliches today

I think you truly undervalue the power of imagination.



I can name numerous movies from last year alone that feature original plots for you right now (plots, not even storylines). Inception. Black Swan. The Social Network. Devil. Enter the Void.



5, all of the top of my head.



There are still plenty of original plots out there.

[ApolloCloud]

gal btw

[Fiery Phoenix]

LOLZAO wrote...




This looks very like a hentai original doesn´t even look like any other JRPG. 

I swear to God, sometimes I can't even tell them apart!

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Jfyi Ever 17 isn't an RPG. It's a typical visual novel.

[TCBC_Freak]

ApolloCloud wrote...

It's almost impossible for something to be original and without cliches today

I think you truly undervalue the power of imagination.

I can name numerous movies from last year alone that feature original plots for you right now (plots, not even storylines). Inception. Black Swan. The Social Network. Devil. Enter the Void.

5, all of the top of my head.

There are still plenty of original plots out there.

First I do not disagree with you, but; original plots two of these are not. Black Swan is a remake of a play, the Social Network is a psydo-biography so the plot has very literaly happened before. Having not seen Devil or Enter the Void I can't say to their originality.

But as I said I do agree with you, Inception is amazingly good and original and there are may other examples out there.

[McBeath]

ApolloCloud wrote...

There are still plenty of original plots out there.

Not really.  You can relate nearly any story to another on a basic level.  It's the basic concepts that make a story good.... concepts like love, triumph over adversity, survival, revenge, rags to riches, ect. 

These have been done to death, but still make good storytelling because we as people can relate.

That's what Bioware did(and often does), makes a good game that we the audiance can relate to through it's characters and plot.

By the way, I think your just over analysing it, just enjoy it for what it is... entertainment.  A sunset isn't any less magical( or "unoriginal") just because you know how it sets, or have seen it before..... just enjoy it for what it is.

Cheers.  McBeath.

[Indigox]

ME2 story its just stupid, depleting all resources in galaxy to save ppl, lol@that.
Glad is just a game, one of the best games ive played.

Modifié par Indigox, 09 février 2011 - 05:34 .

[AlanC9]

ApolloCloud wrote...

I can name numerous movies from last year alone that feature original plots for you right now (plots, not even storylines). Inception. Black Swan. The Social Network. Devil. Enter the Void.

The Social Network? Seriously? If anything, that film should have been more original, but Sorkin forced it into a traditional narrative because he didn't like the real story.

[Canis_Major]

Ok i read the first posts and the conclusion was that in order to enjoy a videogame it has to be related with Oedypous complex and trascend into a next dimension of human-soul duality or...



What?



Story is compelling. Chars are deep and have their own charisma. Will not read Kant to value a game sorry.

[The_Biotic_God]

Canis_Major wrote...
Story is compelling. Chars are deep and have their own charisma. Will not read Kant to value a game sorry.

Agreed. And I guess Kant would think that those psychoanalysis concepts are just bizarre.  

[Goofy McCoy]

Read OP until he referenced metal gear solid as a good story.

lol'd, stopped reading, not mad anymore.



0/10

[Canis_Major]

Nightwriter wrote...

The story isn't really anything special, no.

But the universe!



So cool.

Naaaah thats New York. Not original.

Xwing, so hyped, is just the battle of london in space. Not original.

Etc.

[ApolloCloud]

lol I knew The Social Network reference was going to be questioned after posting that. XD



The beauty, and originality, behind The Social Network's plot was the irony behind friendships falling apart in the creation of a website designed to keep friends connected. A simple premise to be sure, but an entirely original one.



In the case of Black Swan, the originality lies in the manner in which the film told a story about the competitive and stressful nature of the world of ballet and all of the hardships and pressure associated with it, and did so by centering the story around the production of the great Swan Lake, and paralleled the themes of duality inherent within the ballet to the psychological breakdown of the star of the ballet who was playing both roles as the Swan Queen: The White Swan, and The Black Swan.



EL OH EL at it being a simple remake of the play haha... XD

[ApolloCloud]

Ever17 is anything but typical.

[SalsaDMA]

Never heard of the other titles you guys talked about, but regarding "Inception" and originality...



http://www.liveforfi...tion-years-ago/



Some more comparisons in the comments on that page too, so I would hardly call it original...