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[Siansonea]

ApolloCloud wrote...

To each their own, I guess. I enjoy both, but I prefer artistic realism.

The way I see it is that, as far as we know, realism is cursed with the imperfection of randomness, and by that I mean that we can't say for sure that what we see in this world of natural origin was created with any such intention or purpose of being great, whether its from a visual, audiological or any such perspective, but rather, that it may just be the way it is for no real, particular reason. Art, on the other hand, is usually created with such an intention or purpose, and by principle I feel that it has the potential to far surpass reality in that it is not faced by that same imperfection (though there are of course other limitations), so I feel that art, by good reason, should try to seperate itself from realism as much as it possibly can (though there are other issues to take into consideration, such as the person's ability to relate to the piece of art, where a certain degree of realism may be required). I guess I'd say a balance is required, but that I feel it should be leaning far more to the side of imagination than that of realism.

Good post btw.

THIS is the crux of your argument? "Too grounded in reality"?

Whatever.

I'll take based-on-reality 'art' over preposterous/pretentious abstract BS any day of the week, but Maybe I'm Just Not As Smart/Cultured As You.

[Slayer299]

I have to say ApolloCloud, you are pretty sad, seven pages of you attacking everyone who isn't bowing to your belief that all JRPG's are the pinnacle of gaming and wRPG's are uninspired/unoriginal dreck. You value no one else's opinion and put forth yours as the be all and end all' to all things. What is even more amusing is that according to you and your god-like status, no one is even allowed to have a different opinion, all must bow the the omnipotent and wise ApolloCloud. Good luck in your little world, I think I'll live in the real one.

[naledgeborn]

I'm going to keep it curt and ignorant - JRPGS are wack juice mixed with lame sauce. I wanted to get belligerent in this post but I'm trying to avoid the ban hammer.

[Siansonea]

The pomposity in this thread is beyond belief, that's for sure. But if you're gonna be trolled, be trolled by someone with a thesaurus.

[ApolloCloud]

The opinions of a God become the facts that mortal men are compelled to follow.

[ciel9]

ApolloCloud wrote...

To each their own, I guess. I enjoy both, but I prefer artistic realism.

The way I see it is that, as far as we know, realism is cursed with the imperfection of randomness, and by that I mean that we can't say for sure that what we see in this world of natural origin was created with any such intention or purpose of being great, whether its from a visual, audiological or any such perspective, but rather, that it may just be the way it is for no real, particular reason. Art, on the other hand, is usually created with such an intention or purpose, and by principle I feel that it has the potential to far surpass reality in that it is not faced by that same imperfection (though there are of course other limitations), so I feel that art, by good reason, should try to seperate itself from realism as much as it possibly can (though there are other issues to take into consideration, such as the person's ability to relate to the piece of art, where a certain degree of realism may be required). 

The "Are Video Games Art?" debate has been going on for a long time, so not everyone would even agree that games are art...

I guess I'd say a balance is required, but that I feel it should be leaning far more to the side of imagination than that of realism.

Again....opinion. And no amount of "objective" evidence can make this claim failproof. 

[AdmiralCheez]

ApolloCloud wrote...

The opinions of a God become the facts that mortal men are compelled to follow.

Too bad I'm an atheist, mate.

Seriously, bro, wut.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 07 février 2011 - 04:08 .

[Vena_86]

The epicsness of the story (ME1) is quite unique in my books. Never, in any other scifi story have I encountered a threat to all sentient life in massive circle of genocide as in Mass Effect. You don't fight for you family, for your country, your planet you fight for freakin everything.

The art design is inspired by old school scifi, which is totally fine. However it is unique enough to easily be recognizable. The art design is chracteristic, yet realistic (atleast until ME2). Armor that looks practical, yet visually very pleasing is just amazing.

The whole universe is ofcourse inspired by existing ideas, but it is very well developed and has enough of it's own flavour. Mass Effect lets you explore our galaxy in a more believable and engaging way than any other game I have seen.

I appear to be a victim of expectations that can hardly be fullfilled. Everyone is entitled to your opinion, but I think you are beeing way too harsh on many of the points you brought up.

[Siansonea]

ApolloCloud wrote...

The opinions of a God become the facts that mortal men are compelled to follow.

*laughs uncontrollably for several seconds*

Seriously, great trolling, kid. You win a cookie.

[Eshaye]

Overrated? No sir. I cannot pin point what it is about the series that I love but I will say these few things:

I had no interest in Mass Effect when it came out because it was a shooter in space. I don't like space as much as I love fantasy, I don't like guns as much as I love swords and magic staves. But someone raved on how great this game was and I got it for cheap about 2-3 years ago.

I had never played a shooter before, or played one and liked it, ME was a nice entry game for me. The story drew me in from the first cut scene and NEVER let go. The characters breathed like in a movie or tv series and I found myself totally engrossed in them. In the end I've cared more about Shepard then any character I've ever played in a single player game.

It's not really how the details make sense or not or if it's realistic or not, if it's been done or not, but how the whole comes together to create a story and a world where that story takes place that matters. Mass Effect's universe is growing and doing so well, it is FICTION and thus not without fault it is still a fun entertaining place to be and ask what if? Just like the TV series Bones frustrates many real life anthropologists and forensic experts but is still a joy to watch.

Every BW game I have played so far I have really enjoyed but to me nothing beats Mass Effect. The games are shorter but more memorable and leaving us wanting more. I hope they keep making games in this series for a long time, I kid not.

EDIT: Don't get into the west vs east debate, they are styles coming from two different angles entirely not even belonging in the same category of RPG in my opinion. You can prefer one over the other but you can't say one is superior, they are different beasts. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 07 février 2011 - 04:12 .

[HTTP 404]

different tastes for different people OP, if I liked spageti-Os. Well I shouldnt have to explain myself for liking anything really.

[D.Sharrah]

ApolloCloud wrote...

To each their own, I guess. I enjoy both, but I prefer artistic realism.

The way I see it is that, as far as we know, realism is cursed with the imperfection of randomness, and by that I mean that we can't say for sure that what we see in this world of natural origin was created with any such intention or purpose of being great, whether its from a visual, audiological or any such perspective, but rather, that it may just be the way it is for no real, particular reason. Art, on the other hand, is usually created with such an intention or purpose, and by principle I feel that it has the potential to far surpass reality in that it is not faced by that same imperfection (though there are of course other limitations), so I feel that art, by good reason, should try to seperate itself from realism as much as it possibly can (though there are other issues to take into consideration, such as the person's ability to relate to the piece of art, where a certain degree of realism may be required). I guess I'd say a balance is required, but that I feel it should be leaning far more to the side of imagination than that of realism.

Good post btw.

Really?  Are you saying that Michelangelo's David isn't masterful art because it simply shows the simple form of a man?  Art comes in many different forms and to say that something is limited artistically because of realism is simply short sighted,

[TowranPeter]

Edit your post and delete every carriage return after every sentence.

Are you talking about mass effect 1 or 2?  You need to treat them both separately.

Modifié par TowranPeter, 07 février 2011 - 04:11 .

[ApolloCloud]

Mass Effect 1

[SnakeSNMF]

Mass Effect was never overrated.

[AdmiralCheez]

ApolloCloud wrote...

Mass Effect 1

Ah, crap.  I referenced ME2.

Don't judge until you've played both, dude.  Completely different games.

[Tasuru]

Successful troll is successful.



Honestly it's a bit sad that everyone's knickers are in a twist over this. For his own reasons he has got it firmly stuck in his head that the Mass Effect series is not exceptional, while he has found other games to be. This is nothing earth shattering, and can happen with any medium imaginable.



I like oranges, but I find this orange unexceptional.



Now please, stop feeding the trolls.

[PiEman]

ApolloCloud wrote...
I came into
Mass Effect expecting great things based on the praise the series has
been getting and I can't help but feel almost annoyed at the people who I
feel were overhyping the game, as I wanted, and expected it to be at
least close to as great as people claim it to be, and from where I'm
standing it really isn't.

This was where I stopped reading...though, I caught a little more when I scrolled up and around on my phone earlier while trying to figure out how the hell I can select text, before eventually giving up and just using the netbook. But that's beside the point.

This game gets enough hate from its own fans, it doesn't need some random, stuck up **** wandering in and comparing it to a million other genres and calling it crap.

I don't have time to read the rest of the thread now, but when I come back later, I fully expect half the people in this thread to be directly opposed to my opinion that the game is near perfection. I expect a large amount of fans who scrutinize every detail, because they love the series, and hate to see it having too many faults.

As opposed to some ****** who thought it would be a good idea to berate one of the few truly great Sci-Fi gaming series to come out in the 2000s.

[Revan312]

Although Apollo is a jrpg snob and I despise most jrpgs minus a couple, I do agree somewhat about ME being overrated, let alone the second.. hoo boy that game is overhyped for what it is at the end of the day. Michael Bay meets generic space opera meets more Michael Bay..

Bioware aren't known for originality, they aren't great in any one area of rpgs, they simply create a solid product overall. Not amazing, not mediocre, just good, which dependability to me is better than massive amounts of hits and misses. VTM:B had amazing dialogue to me, the story was great and any random character in that game was ten times more memorable than everyone in ME combined, yet the gameplay was pretty iffy. Elder Scrolls games have great gameplay and yet completely forgettable characters and stories.. It's all balance really as very few can ever achieve greatness in all areas so I respect Bioware for sticking to just making solid titles and not neglecting any one aspect but instead spread the love so to speak.

Sometimes that love is a bit hollow *coughME2cough* but generally I trust Bioware for the most part. Dragon Age 2 might change that though as I'm not so sure about the changes and if not up to par will be two strikes in a row for me, which will make me a bit wary in the future with their games..

And finally @ Apollo, just get over yourself, as everyone said it's personal opinion and although I have criticized ME2 as being a pretty mediocre game, it doesn't change that fact that tons of people love it, so unless you want to objectively say that the majority is wrong and you, the minority, is right, then just stop..

Modifié par Revan312, 07 février 2011 - 04:54 .

[AlanC9]

Siansonea II wrote...
THIS is the crux of your argument? "Too grounded in reality"?

Thanks. Good thing I decided to start with page 7 -- you've saved me a bunch of time.

[Mister Mida]

ApolloCloud wrote...

The opinions of a God become the facts that mortal men are compelled to follow.

Jep. Now we're getting to the trolling.

[TwistedComplex]

"We have a cliched, formulaic plot set within the

confines of an unimaginative, unoriginal setting."



Stopped reading there

[aeetos21]

hooray another I hate mass effect 2 thread...

[Mister Mida]

aeetos21 wrote...

hooray another I hate mass effect 2 thread...

Uhmm... No it isn't.

[Katamariguy]

Oddly enough, my favorite points are the opposite of yours. Great art design, immersive music, imaginative univers, interesting plot...