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[rabidhanar]

HopHazzard wrote...

It's more my eyes that were offended really. It's not about getting off or not, it's about looking on something that's supposed to be the embodiment of desire and finding it repugnant and unappealing.

That's the thing, as the warden was never truly affected by a desire demon, we have no idea what they would look like to us.

Most likely, desire demons look like the person you love, and can create illusions that lead people to happiness.
Remember the demons who changed form for a disguise, imagine that but with the most beautiful or handsome person you have ever seen talking to you in a very seductive voice.

[wulfsturm]

WTB a mature game that actually has mature content.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 07 février 2011 - 03:11 .

[Ziggeh]

wulfsturm wrote...

WTB a mature game that actually has mature content.

It's certainly a rare commodity.

I have to say that I love the general implication in this thread that the ESRB rating implies a positive or negative value. As if, even in the absence of context, more explicit sexual content is inherently positive.

Modifié par Ziggeh, 07 février 2011 - 03:22 .

[wulfsturm]

scyphozoa wrote...

I don't really care about the ESRB rating. Probably because I didn't expect anything else. Bioware is a pretty puritan company when it comes to sexuality and nudity, and I don't think that is going to change any time soon. They have clearly determined how they want to deliver mature themes such as romance, sexuality and nudity.

To delve into this topic would require too much effort and ultimately just result in being a discussion of values and cultures. I am not really interested in that, but I will say this. There have been dozens, if not hundreds of games that have proven you do not need sex, nudity, violence, gore or any of these hot taboo themes in order to make a great, mature game.

When I was ten years old, I loved playing Crash Bandicoot on my Playstation, now that I'm a little older I find that I desire to play games that match my phsyical and psychological maturity. That doesn't change the fact that Crash Bandicoot was a great game as it suited me just fine at the time, it's just not the game for me now.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 07 février 2011 - 03:18 .

[Zevais]

JohnEpler wrote...

You folks are really reading quite a bit into an ESRB rating. I'd suggest waiting until the product's out and you've actually seen the stuff you're complaining about before declaring that we've sold our souls to the censors.

Though, you know, the overreaction and claims of bowing to pressure are cool too. You know. Your choice.

I am not upset that you are censoring anything. I am upset that you are not including Desire Demons and Broodmothers. That upsets be very much. I enjoy those two creatures very much. I definitely think Maria Caliban will back me up on the Desire Demon and much of them Desire Demon fan group.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

JohnEpler wrote...

You folks are really reading quite a bit into an ESRB rating. I'd suggest waiting until the product's out and you've actually seen the stuff you're complaining about before declaring that we've sold our souls to the censors.

Though, you know, the overreaction and claims of bowing to pressure are cool too. You know. Your choice.

We're desperate for information.  Stuff like this is a pizza crust tossed to a starving man.  Of course we're going to think of it like a meal.

That's not a criticism of you guys at all.  There's nothing short of the full game going to satisfy us.  :D:D

Five weeks....  :O:O

[slimgrin]

I just want dismemberment, foul language, and unbridled orgies.

I know you won't disappoint Bioware.

Oh....and nipples. I want to see nipples.

Modifié par slimgrin, 07 février 2011 - 03:38 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

slimgrin wrote...

I just want dismemberment, foul language, and unbridled orgies.

I know you won't disappoint Bioware.

Oh....and nipples. I want to see nipples.

We'll see dismemberment before we see nipples.  Because the censors here are nuts like that.  :lol:

[sevalaricgirl]

kylecouch wrote...

The DAO scenes? GOOD? hahahahahaha! those were the worst romance scenes I've ever seen in a game...I honestly prefer some of ME2's scenes to those...

DAO's were much better than ME2's even without mods, of course I added Improved Romance Scenes because the hug and kiss are just really nice and there's also special time that I'm sure we're not getting in DA2, of course not.

[PoiSIN-XIII]

Hm I don't think bioware has sold their soul to the censors or anything anywhere near that line it's just some odd seeming choices for a "dark" fantasy I recall the trailer for the first dragon age being called blood sex and violence. So when we see them stepping back like them being fully clothed it makes us question why? There's really no need -besides- censorship seems ever sense me1 its been fairly on the safe side of what happens.

Its easy to say wait till the game comes out but untill that time all we have to go off of is the info that has been shown to us. Asking people on the forums not to guess or speculate about the game seems almost counter productive sense that seems to be on of the major reasons for it in the first place a gather of people interested in the game talking about it with what info we have. Giving suggestions for it guess in what might be or reflecting on what we know.

Modifié par PoiSIN-XIII, 07 février 2011 - 03:52 .

[sevalaricgirl]

Mike2640 wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

That is not the article I was referring to. Unfortunately I can't seem to find it (I read it in Dec 09 or something like that) but if I track it down again, I can show you.

I'd be glad to see it. The article I showed was from 2008, so it'd be interesting to see what made him think so negatively of steam. Perhaps he was referring to DRM in general? That seems to be more along the companies line of thought.

And about the cards, yah they were silly and the Devs agree. That's why they aren't in The Witcher 2. Still, it was an experiment, even if it wasn't a good one it's far more interesting and unique then granny panties or a fully clothed sex scene. They started there, saw what parts of that worked and what didn't and now appear to have refined it for the sequel.

Yup, the fully clothed sex scenes were ridiculous. 

[Ziggeh]

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...
So when we see them stepping back like them being fully clothed it makes us question why? There's really no need -besides- censorship seems ever sense me1 its been fairly on the safe side of what happens.

Maybe they don't have clotheless (is that a word? adjective: lacking in clothes) textures? We can't visually change their gear, maybe they can't take it off and so creating naked models purely for the purposes of presenting nooky becomes a financial decision.

[Rykn]

O_o just so I can be clear on the subject are people complaining because there aren't any evil bare breasted broodmothers in DA 2?

[Zevais]

Rykn wrote...

O_o just so I can be clear on the subject are people complaining because there aren't any evil bare breasted broodmothers in DA 2?

Actually, the specific reference was to demonic ta tas. That means Desire Demons are out. Broodmothers may still remain because they are not demons and there was no reference to their ta tas. I doubt they will return either. I am upset about both... mostly Desire Demons.

[Ziggeh]

demonic ta tas, haha. I positively demand demonic ta tas.

Modifié par Ziggeh, 07 février 2011 - 04:08 .

[-Skorpious-]

Rykn wrote...

O_o just so I can be clear on the subject are people complaining because there aren't any evil bare breasted broodmothers in DA 2?

No, we are complaining that if Broodmothers are in the game that they better have a damn good reason for deciding to wear clothing; wearing clothes doesn't seem to be the norm for giant, mindless flesh creatures. 

[Ziggeh]

-Skorpious- wrote...

No, we are complaining that if Broodmothers are in the game that they better have a damn good reason for deciding to wear clothing; wearing clothes doesn't seem to be the norm for giant, mindless flesh creatures.

I would love it if they made it clear that the ones we encountered in DA:O were part of a specific subset of darkspawn known for their lack of modesty.

[Yrkoon]

Ziggeh wrote...
Maybe they don't have clotheless (is that a word? adjective: lacking in clothes) textures?

The word you're looking for is "nude".

Yes, I imagine  the fans will need an update to the toolset to  make such textures avaliable for mods and such.

[Apollo Starflare]

Y'know, the ESRB site even says that 'Sexual content' can include 'partial nudity'. None of this can be called definitive yet as far as I can tell.

[WingsandRings]

JohnEpler wrote...

You folks are really reading quite a bit into an ESRB rating. I'd suggest waiting until the product's out and you've actually seen the stuff you're complaining about before declaring that we've sold our souls to the censors.

Though, you know, the overreaction and claims of bowing to pressure are cool too. You know. Your choice.

In the board's defense, no one was complaining when you guys were letting us giggle about oral sex.  So apparently you have two options: uncontrolled whininess, or immature hur hur hurring about boy and girl parts.

Modifié par WingsandRings, 07 février 2011 - 05:16 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Khayness wrote...

"although said in middle-earth-esque English accents, they come off a lot more sophisticated."
Stereotypes ftw.

I know, right? 

[wulfsturm]

Does anyone have the link to the UK-based version of the ESRB? I can't remember what its called but I think you'd all be amused by its ruling for DA2 in comparison to the ESRB's.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 07 février 2011 - 05:14 .

[John Epler]

I would point out that, as has been linked to previously in this thread, the ESRB does their descriptions and ratings based on what's submitted to them - this generally includes any particularly objectionable material, and is not necessarily indicative of everything that's in the game.



Again, some of you have already placed in the Olympic Long Jump to Conclusions, but I'd suggest waiting and seeing before you take anything written by the ESRB as 'oh my god BioWare is bowing to pressure from censors!'



Of course, you're all welcome to think what you wish! The glorious freedom of the internet.

[Ziggeh]

wulfsturm wrote...

Does anyone have the link to the UK-based version of the ESRB? I can't remember what its called but I think you'd all be amused by its ruling for DA2 in comparison to the ESRB's.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ADM276072