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[wulfsturm]

Ziggeh wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Does anyone have the link to the UK-based version of the ESRB? I can't remember what its called but I think you'd all be amused by its ruling for DA2 in comparison to the ESRB's.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ADM276072

There it is, thank you...and I quote:

Contains strong bloody violence

And you people thought the ESRB rating was bad. 

[Feraele]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Shifty Assassin wrote...

awwwwwww thats just 2 bad the games really changing in terms of maturity

Nudity does not equal maturity.

Yes cause not showing nudity is a sign that the company is not all intimidaded by censoring orginizations and is just editing it cause they make a point....sure.

That still has nothing to do with maturity.

I would say showing two people in bed fully clothed post-sex displays a certain degree of immaturity or silliness towards th subject. 

I'd have to agree William, and I don't know what the censors are censoring..all love scenes in DA: O pretty much took place with granny underwear prominent..so why are they censoring that?    Makes me giggle.

[Zevais]

JohnEpler wrote...

I would point out that, as has been linked to previously in this thread, the ESRB does their descriptions and ratings based on what's submitted to them - this generally includes any particularly objectionable material, and is not necessarily indicative of everything that's in the game.

Again, some of you have already placed in the Olympic Long Jump to Conclusions, but I'd suggest waiting and seeing before you take anything written by the ESRB as 'oh my god BioWare is bowing to pressure from censors!'

Of course, you're all welcome to think what you wish! The glorious freedom of the internet.

You still don't seem to realize that I don't care about the censoring. I would be ok with a more modest Desire demon and more modest Broodmother as long as they are still in the game. I am worried that you are removing interesting creatures. You have not clarified that subject matter.

[FiveThreeTen]

The M rated games amuses me as most of them are still marketed towards 13 years old . ( see Dead Space 2 ad campaign )

Modifié par FiveThreeTen, 07 février 2011 - 06:46 .

[Phoenixblight]

Zevais wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I would point out that, as has been linked to previously in this thread, the ESRB does their descriptions and ratings based on what's submitted to them - this generally includes any particularly objectionable material, and is not necessarily indicative of everything that's in the game.

Again, some of you have already placed in the Olympic Long Jump to Conclusions, but I'd suggest waiting and seeing before you take anything written by the ESRB as 'oh my god BioWare is bowing to pressure from censors!'

Of course, you're all welcome to think what you wish! The glorious freedom of the internet.

You still don't seem to realize that I don't care about the censoring. I would be ok with a more modest Desire demon and more modest Broodmother as long as they are still in the game. I am worried that you are removing interesting creatures. You have not clarified that subject matter.

And he's not going to. There are things he is and is not allowed to talk about and those two things are part of them apparently. Wait it out play DA 2 and find out if there is or isn't any Broodmothers or Desire demons. 

As he said and as I have posted before ESRB doesn't actually play the game they accept from the publisher an outline or manuscript of what is in the game. So there will be things they feel that do not need to be mentioned. 

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 07 février 2011 - 06:45 .

[The Elder King]

As Epler said, the ESRB rating isn't necessarily indicative of any content that are in the game.
For me, I will be very glad if the Desire Spirits are returning, of all the creatures of the Fade we have encountered they are probably the most interesting for their intelligence (the only two Pride demons, Uldred and the Baroness, we met are idiot imho), but I'll not care if we'll not meet any broodmother. The game isn't supposed to be focused on darkspawn, so even if we're going in the Deep Roads when we are in Krikwall, we don't have to meet them. I don't think that the broodmothers can be meet in every parts in the Deep Roads. In my opinion the possible lack of genlock or shrieks are more important than the lack of a broodmother.

Modifié par hhh89, 07 février 2011 - 06:55 .

[Zevais]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Zevais wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I would point out that, as has been linked to previously in this thread, the ESRB does their descriptions and ratings based on what's submitted to them - this generally includes any particularly objectionable material, and is not necessarily indicative of everything that's in the game.

Again, some of you have already placed in the Olympic Long Jump to Conclusions, but I'd suggest waiting and seeing before you take anything written by the ESRB as 'oh my god BioWare is bowing to pressure from censors!'

Of course, you're all welcome to think what you wish! The glorious freedom of the internet.

You still don't seem to realize that I don't care about the censoring. I would be ok with a more modest Desire demon and more modest Broodmother as long as they are still in the game. I am worried that you are removing interesting creatures. You have not clarified that subject matter.

And he's not going to. There are things he is and is not allowed to talk about and those two things are part of them apparently. Wait it out play DA 2 and find out if there is or isn't any Broodmothers or Desire demons. 

As he said and as I have posted before ESRB doesn't actually play the game they accept from the publisher an outline or manuscript of what is in the game. So there will be things they feel that do not need to be mentioned. 

So, instead of upsetting people directly before the game actually releases... they follow a script that allows them to use PR as an excuse for letting us find out if something is not included until we play the game.

Honestly, it is quite a load that people are prevented from telling us what is NOT in the game. I can guarantee that the contracts (or whatever form of paperwork they use for control) only mention what parts of the game cannot be confirmed before certain dates. There is no list of creatures, people, and things (that don't happen to be in Dragon Age 2) that the dev's look at and see that they can't mention that those things are not in the game.

[Phoenixblight]

Zevais wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Zevais wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I would point out that, as has been linked to previously in this thread, the ESRB does their descriptions and ratings based on what's submitted to them - this generally includes any particularly objectionable material, and is not necessarily indicative of everything that's in the game.

Again, some of you have already placed in the Olympic Long Jump to Conclusions, but I'd suggest waiting and seeing before you take anything written by the ESRB as 'oh my god BioWare is bowing to pressure from censors!'

Of course, you're all welcome to think what you wish! The glorious freedom of the internet.

You still don't seem to realize that I don't care about the censoring. I would be ok with a more modest Desire demon and more modest Broodmother as long as they are still in the game. I am worried that you are removing interesting creatures. You have not clarified that subject matter.

And he's not going to. There are things he is and is not allowed to talk about and those two things are part of them apparently. Wait it out play DA 2 and find out if there is or isn't any Broodmothers or Desire demons. 

As he said and as I have posted before ESRB doesn't actually play the game they accept from the publisher an outline or manuscript of what is in the game. So there will be things they feel that do not need to be mentioned. 

So, instead of upsetting people directly before the game actually releases... they follow a script that allows them to use PR as an excuse for letting us find out if something is not included until we play the game.

Honestly, it is quite a load that people are prevented from telling us what is NOT in the game. I can guarantee that the contracts (or whatever form of paperwork they use for control) only mention what parts of the game cannot be confirmed before certain dates. There is no list of creatures, people, and things (that don't happen to be in Dragon Age 2) that the dev's look at and see that they can't mention that those things are not in the game.

You can whine and moan all you like but thats just the way is. It sucks we have to wait it out but the game will be out in exactly a month. 

[Osena109]

arthurbuck wrote...

http://kotaku.com/57...demonic-breasts

Gives some details about certain things ESRB thought made this game M-rated

 

meh the brodmother in awakening 6 nipples showing am  not sure why there going off the deep end  for the desire demon flashing some nipple you see wrose on cable tv i esrb are a pack of prudes if you ask me

[Phoenixblight]

Osena109 wrote...

arthurbuck wrote...

http://kotaku.com/57...demonic-breasts

Gives some details about certain things ESRB thought made this game M-rated

 

meh the brodmother in awakening 6 nipples showing am  not sure why there going off the deep end  for the desire demon flashing some nipple you see wrose on cable tv i esrb are a pack of prudes if you ask me

ESRB does not censor or make the publisher/ develop change content they simply look at the content of the game and rate it accordingly. If a publisher/developer don't like the rating they can add/ remove stuff to get the rating they desire.  This needs to get across ESRB DOES NOT CENSOR, they meerly just rate games for parents to look at. 

[PoiSIN-XIII]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

arthurbuck wrote...

http://kotaku.com/57...demonic-breasts

Gives some details about certain things ESRB thought made this game M-rated

 

meh the brodmother in awakening 6 nipples showing am  not sure why there going off the deep end  for the desire demon flashing some nipple you see wrose on cable tv i esrb are a pack of prudes if you ask me

ESRB does not censor or make the publisher/ develop change content they simply look at the content of the game and rate it accordingly. If a publisher/developer don't like the rating they can add/ remove stuff to get the rating they desire.  This needs to get across ESRB DOES NOT CENSOR, they meerly just rate games for parents to look at. 

True  -but- anything over M gets AO and AO will not be sold in any retail stores and as  I am sure you know that would have a horraible effect on any game no game wants an AO its undoable for a proffiatable game really so in a sense they pretty much do censor they put a cap on what is allowed.

[Zevais]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

arthurbuck wrote...

http://kotaku.com/57...demonic-breasts

Gives some details about certain things ESRB thought made this game M-rated

 

meh the brodmother in awakening 6 nipples showing am  not sure why there going off the deep end  for the desire demon flashing some nipple you see wrose on cable tv i esrb are a pack of prudes if you ask me

ESRB does not censor or make the publisher/ develop change content they simply look at the content of the game and rate it accordingly. If a publisher/developer don't like the rating they can add/ remove stuff to get the rating they desire.  This needs to get across ESRB DOES NOT CENSOR, they meerly just rate games for parents to look at. 

ESRB previously rated Dragon Age: Origins, so it does make sense that the publisher may wish the sequal to fall under a lesser offensive rating. The publisher may pressure the creators. You'll notice even in some Hollywood movies how sequals can often become less offensive because of pressure. If you want to broaden your fanbase, it is often wise to have a more friendly rating. That pressure is often felt very strongly.

Parents really should just watch and play movies, music, and games before their children. The parent should be able to determine what mature content their child can handle. If the parent cannot, they should not be the parent of said child.

[Phoenixblight]

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

arthurbuck wrote...

http://kotaku.com/57...demonic-breasts

Gives some details about certain things ESRB thought made this game M-rated

 

meh the brodmother in awakening 6 nipples showing am  not sure why there going off the deep end  for the desire demon flashing some nipple you see wrose on cable tv i esrb are a pack of prudes if you ask me

ESRB does not censor or make the publisher/ develop change content they simply look at the content of the game and rate it accordingly. If a publisher/developer don't like the rating they can add/ remove stuff to get the rating they desire.  This needs to get across ESRB DOES NOT CENSOR, they meerly just rate games for parents to look at. 

True  -but- anything over M gets AO and AO will not be sold in any retail stores and as  I am sure you know that would have a horraible effect on any game no game wants an AO its undoable for a proffiatable game really so in a sense they pretty much do censor they put a cap on what is allowed.

Thats not ESRB but the retailers and society saying its not ok. Blame them. 

[PoiSIN-XIII]

It is indeed the retailers that block AO games but its the ESRB that stamps it thus I would maybe call it a joint effort but the point is the ESRB dose have a rule in the censorship of such things

Modifié par PoiSIN-XIII, 07 février 2011 - 07:19 .

[Osena109]

Zevais wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

arthurbuck wrote...

http://kotaku.com/57...demonic-breasts

Gives some details about certain things ESRB thought made this game M-rated

 

meh the brodmother in awakening 6 nipples showing am  not sure why there going off the deep end  for the desire demon flashing some nipple you see wrose on cable tv i esrb are a pack of prudes if you ask me

ESRB does not censor or make the publisher/ develop change content they simply look at the content of the game and rate it accordingly. If a publisher/developer don't like the rating they can add/ remove stuff to get the rating they desire.  This needs to get across ESRB DOES NOT CENSOR, they meerly just rate games for parents to look at. 

ESRB previously rated Dragon Age: Origins, so it does make sense that the publisher may wish the sequal to fall under a lesser offensive rating. The publisher may pressure the creators. You'll notice even in some Hollywood movies how sequals can often become less offensive because of pressure. If you want to broaden your fanbase, it is often wise to have a more friendly rating. That pressure is often felt very strongly.

Parents really should just watch and play movies, music, and games before their children. The parent should be able to determine what mature content their child can handle. If the parent cannot, they should not be the parent of said child.

that was my takee ESRB could make DA2 not to be bought and places like gamestop ESRB is real pain we got a butche Witcher  cos there was to much  nudity in it the sex cards we pretty much its issue i desided to wait a year and get the enhaced copy meh i can't spell to well pretty sleepy ill fix my typos when i get up lol

[Phoenixblight]

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...

It is indeed the retailers that block AO games but its the ESRB that stamps it thus I would maybe call it a joint effort but the point is the ESRB dose have a rule in the censorship of such things

I agree they play a part but there are plenty of games out there that have had nudity and still receive a M so its not like Bioware chose to be a safe M. A rating of M is the same one way or another minors still have to be carded. I honestly think ESRB just didn't list all the content in their article just the highlights that they feel parents should know about.  

[PoiSIN-XIII]

Phoenixblight wrote...

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...

It is indeed the retailers that block AO games but its the ESRB that stamps it thus I would maybe call it a joint effort but the point is the ESRB dose have a rule in the censorship of such things

I agree they play a part but there are plenty of games out there that have had nudity and still receive a M so its not like Bioware chose to be a safe M. A rating of M is the same one way or another minors still have to be carded. I honestly think ESRB just didn't list all the content in their article just the highlights that they feel parents should know about.  

Oh I agree bioware could get away with -so- much more and still get an M  plenty of games have and do I really think fox news left a mark on them and made them...not fearful but more careful with what they do and I really don't think they need to be.  I often qustion why they still feel strongly the need to be this way the game is indeed not out yet so maybe wrong but with the info we have it just seems this way no?  In any event I did not mean to blame the ESRB if that seemed the case though I do think they play a vital part in if a game can be made or not depending on the rating they give it.

[Phoenixblight]

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...

It is indeed the retailers that block AO games but its the ESRB that stamps it thus I would maybe call it a joint effort but the point is the ESRB dose have a rule in the censorship of such things

I agree they play a part but there are plenty of games out there that have had nudity and still receive a M so its not like Bioware chose to be a safe M. A rating of M is the same one way or another minors still have to be carded. I honestly think ESRB just didn't list all the content in their article just the highlights that they feel parents should know about.  

Oh I agree bioware could get away with -so- much more and still get an M  plenty of games have and do I really think fox news left a mark on them and made them...not fearful but more careful with what they do and I really don't think they need to be.  I often qustion why they still feel strongly the need to be this way the game is indeed not out yet so maybe wrong but with the info we have it just seems this way no?  In any event I did not mean to blame the ESRB if that seemed the case though I do think they play a vital part in if a game can be made or not depending on the rating they give it.

M will drive the sales because all the teeny boppers will want it because of the rating. If it so Bioware covered or felt desire or broodmothers were not needed its because they chose to and thats my point. There are plenty of developers and publishers who get hit by the media for the violence and sex in game and they continue on with what they do for example Midway, Sony with God of War, Rockstar minus the whole hot coffee mod. 

[PoiSIN-XIII]

Phoenixblight wrote...

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...

It is indeed the retailers that block AO games but its the ESRB that stamps it thus I would maybe call it a joint effort but the point is the ESRB dose have a rule in the censorship of such things

I agree they play a part but there are plenty of games out there that have had nudity and still receive a M so its not like Bioware chose to be a safe M. A rating of M is the same one way or another minors still have to be carded. I honestly think ESRB just didn't list all the content in their article just the highlights that they feel parents should know about.  

Oh I agree bioware could get away with -so- much more and still get an M  plenty of games have and do I really think fox news left a mark on them and made them...not fearful but more careful with what they do and I really don't think they need to be.  I often qustion why they still feel strongly the need to be this way the game is indeed not out yet so maybe wrong but with the info we have it just seems this way no?  In any event I did not mean to blame the ESRB if that seemed the case though I do think they play a vital part in if a game can be made or not depending on the rating they give it.

M will drive the sales because all the teeny boppers will want it because of the rating. If it so Bioware covered or felt desire or broodmothers were not needed its because they chose to and thats my point. There are plenty of developers and publishers who get hit by the media for the violence and sex in game and they continue on with what they do for example Midway, Sony with God of War, Rockstar minus the whole hot coffee mod. 

Agree to a point anyhow most go on their way without any thought on the manner but bioware seems to have taken it to heart. If mothers and desire are not in the game so be it but ever sense mass effect 1 they seem to be more... clothed? I suppos having a hard time coming up with the right word at the momment alot more fade to black and such at that. Maybe I look to much into it but to me it just seems dragonage for a dark fantasy that had a blood and sex trailer was vary tame on the sex with people dry humping and what not me2 not bad but seemingly more tame still then befor all of it and now with da2 it -seems- even more so

[wildannie]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

arthurbuck wrote...

http://kotaku.com/57...demonic-breasts

Gives some details about certain things ESRB thought made this game M-rated

 

meh the brodmother in awakening 6 nipples showing am  not sure why there going off the deep end  for the desire demon flashing some nipple you see wrose on cable tv i esrb are a pack of prudes if you ask me

ESRB does not censor or make the publisher/ develop change content they simply look at the content of the game and rate it accordingly. If a publisher/developer don't like the rating they can add/ remove stuff to get the rating they desire.  This needs to get across ESRB DOES NOT CENSOR, they meerly just rate games for parents to look at. 

I agree with Phoenixblight, any changes to the design of demons and level of nudity are desicions that were taken by BIOWARE.  ESRB just categorize games by their content, they don't care what's in the game.  If it's toned down from DAO then why would this have anything to do with ESRB, was there a problem with getting DAO rated?

[Phoenixblight]

PoiSIN-XIII wrote...



Agree to a point anyhow most go on their way without any thought on the manner but bioware seems to have taken it to heart. If mothers and desire are not in the game so be it but ever sense mass effect 1 they seem to be more... clothed? I suppos having a hard time coming up with the right word at the momment alot more fade to black and such at that. Maybe I look to much into it but to me it just seems dragonage for a dark fantasy that had a blood and sex trailer was vary tame on the sex with people dry humping and what not me2 not bad but seemingly more tame still then befor all of it and now with da2 it -seems- even more so

I don't play bioware games for the envelope pushing but the story. I would say this game having more demons in it would seem very odd skipping an entire class of demons that were prevalent in the original. Doesn't make sense just because they want to be "tamer" and ME2 was not that tame, the sex scenes were a lot more intense especially with Jack imo. 

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wildannie wrote...



I agree with Phoenixblight, any changes to the design of demons and level of nudity are desicions that were taken by BIOWARE.  ESRB just categorize games by their content, they don't care what's in the game.  If it's toned down from DAO then why would this have anything to do with ESRB, was there a problem with getting DAO rated?

Not that I am aware of and I regularly check these type of things. Honestly don't know why Bioware would tone it down if this is so, there is no reason for it FOX or any media didn't attack them for DAO or Mass Effect 2. 

EA practically ripped FOX a new one after their attack.
http://kotaku.com/34...ct-inaccuracies

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 07 février 2011 - 08:17 .

[PoiSIN-XIII]

Ah good ol jack what a gal she was I hope so hard she makes it to 3 but onto topic again. Agreed once more! story is where it is at and wile many might not give them credit bioware is indeed known for pushing the envelope in many things! story being one of them I think and romance in games is another not just same sex romances but the fact that its there at all not even the sex part they romances are deep and meaningful and their intercourse in me1 and 2 so emotion. I still have a complaint of me2 being slightly guilty of clothed dry humping/ quickly fading to black at points witch takes it out I think.



Dragon age a fantastic game and I -loved- morrigan romance it was fantastically done but then for such a passionate and strong woman the moment was surprising to say the lest of it. What we seem to see going into da2 seems better then Da but just slightly off maybe? I just feel like they can do more maybe they don't think they should but I think it adds greatly to the romance as a whole.

[Apollo Starflare]

JohnEpler wrote...

I would point out that, as has been linked to previously in this thread, the ESRB does their descriptions and ratings based on what's submitted to them - this generally includes any particularly objectionable material, and is not necessarily indicative of everything that's in the game.

Again, some of you have already placed in the Olympic Long Jump to Conclusions, but I'd suggest waiting and seeing before you take anything written by the ESRB as 'oh my god BioWare is bowing to pressure from censors!'

Of course, you're all welcome to think what you wish! The glorious freedom of the internet.

Worth re-quoting.

A note about the UK ESRB: They do say they will be adding to the games description from the first of March so it won't stay that spartan.

[Gabriel S.]

There's something awfully funny about "sh*t", "a*s" and "bastard" in the same sentence.