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[Tarahiro]

So in England, DA2 is an '18' just like Origins was.



Younger people will always play games that are rated too high for them. The same way they will always watch films they aren't supposed to. I did it myself before I was old enough but that doesn't mean that the demons and sex scenes need to be dumbed down. Parents shouldnt be saying 'why is this demon topless in my childs game' when the label on the box says '18'. If you buy a game that says 18 you expect it to be unsuitable for children. Therefore BioWare should be allowed to keep the granny panties lols from Origins and the original desire demons. Hell, maybe add some male desire demons in so people who like men are happy XD

[Ziggeh]

Tarahiro wrote...

So in England, DA2 is an '18' just like Origins was.

This is probably something of a generalisation, but we have different cultural standards of mature. You will, for the most part, find harsher judgement of violence in the UK classification than american, but less of sexual content and much less of profanity.

[Dubya75]

JohnEpler wrote...

I would point out that, as has been linked to previously in this thread, the ESRB does their descriptions and ratings based on what's submitted to them - this generally includes any particularly objectionable material, and is not necessarily indicative of everything that's in the game.

Again, some of you have already placed in the Olympic Long Jump to Conclusions, but I'd suggest waiting and seeing before you take anything written by the ESRB as 'oh my god BioWare is bowing to pressure from censors!'

Of course, you're all welcome to think what you wish! The glorious freedom of the internet.

Haha, nice!
This pretty much confirms that this thread is out on a wild goose chase! 

Modifié par Dubya75, 07 février 2011 - 02:45 .

[Nerevar-as]

So is it going to be requalified after realease as with Oblivion when people watch full content?

[Quercus]

Nah, it's Bioware after ME1 we're talking about. It's pretty much a given that they are dumbing down on sexuality, so the immature sexuality gets balance with a mature violence.



And before you comment with "X and Y arn't mature", I know that those aspects themselves arn't mature, but the things around them.

But also trust me when I say that the ESRB arn't rating games "M" for the though choices you make.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Bioware is still weak in this. They only make a big words, but in reality its pretty sucky, even DA:O was totally dumb. I mean dark medieval age, and girls are wearing underwear????(that did`t happen until 19th-20th century). It should either made it properly or don`t make it at all. In Mass Effect, it was still pretty weak, but at least Liara was`t wearing pants and bra during whole 'mating ritual'.



Bioware got a still much to learn from Witcher.

[Stanley Woo]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Bioware is still weak in this. They only make a big words, but in reality its pretty sucky, even DA:O was totally dumb. I mean dark medieval age, and girls are wearing underwear????(that did`t happen until 19th-20th century). It should either made it properly or don`t make it at all. In Mass Effect, it was still pretty weak, but at least Liara was`t wearing pants and bra during whole 'mating ritual'.

Bioware got a still much to learn from Witcher.

Dragon Age and Thedas is a fictitious setting, and doesn't necessarily have to conform to anyone's version of "reality" except ours.

[Indoctrination]

• Players can also initiate brief cutscene sequences in which couples
(male-female or same-sex) are shown kissing and embracing one another
in a bedroom as the screen fades to black.

That Fox News piece on Mass Effect's sex scenes really put BioWare into their place, it seems. Ever since then, they've toned down the sex scenes more and more with each major release. Maybe Fox will do a piece about Dragon Age II being too violent and BioWare's next games will be tetris like puzzle games. At least until the Fox News piece about how falling blocks ignores the plight of construction workers in unsafe work areas anyway.

[Ziggeh]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Bioware got a still much to learn from Witcher.

Yes, I think more games should approach the subject of sexuality from the perspective of a 13 year old boy.

[Apollo Starflare]

I wish we had body sliders too, but the amount of times I've seen people go too far the other way and begin suggesting a large breast size indicates low intelligence (or similar) is startling. From what we've seen of DA2 so far it is hardly shoving them in your face either, compared to some games it's positively tame (yes, even Isabela).



I really hope TW2 improves on the original and truly becomes something to take inspiration from (for everyone), however going by TW1 I think it is still very much CD Projekt who have a lot to learn from Bioware.

[ObserverStatus]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Bioware is still weak in this. They only make a big words, but in reality its pretty sucky, even DA:O was totally dumb. I mean dark medieval age, and girls are wearing underwear????(that did`t happen until 19th-20th century). It should either made it properly or don`t make it at all. In Mass Effect, it was still pretty weak, but at least Liara was`t wearing pants and bra during whole 'mating ritual'.

Bioware got a still much to learn from Witcher.

Dragon Age and Thedas is a fictitious setting, and doesn't necessarily have to conform to anyone's version of "reality" except ours.

It's fiction people, the denizens of Thedas can reproduce via binary fission if Bioware wants them too.

Modifié par bobobo878, 07 février 2011 - 06:20 .

[Deviija]

Ziggeh wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Bioware got a still much to learn from Witcher.

Yes, I think more games should approach the subject of sexuality from the perspective of a 13 year old boy.

A 13 year old hetero boy at that.  Because there is no other sexuality except that of a hetero dude from his POV.

At least in BioWare games I can choose to be a lady or, in some of their games, choose to play a non-hetero character.  That says a lot more to me by comparison. 

[Mihura]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Bioware is still weak in this. They only make a big words, but in reality its pretty sucky, even DA:O was totally dumb. I mean dark medieval age, and girls are wearing underwear????(that did`t happen until 19th-20th century). It should either made it properly or don`t make it at all. In Mass Effect, it was still pretty weak, but at least Liara was`t wearing pants and bra during whole 'mating ritual'.

Bioware got a still much to learn from Witcher.

Well I like The Witcher, love the books and I am now hype for the second but no, Bioware should never, never turn to the witcher for advise in that area. One of the bad things about the game to me was the sex cards which was pretty dumb and juvenile. Although not all the fans are 12 years old kids in the Witcher forum, some are not that friendly when you discuss this issue they really like to insult people if you do not agree with them. The only sex scene well done was the ME 1.

Modifié par Mihura, 07 février 2011 - 06:19 .

[Soul Reaver]

Ziggeh wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Bioware got a still much to learn from Witcher.

Yes, I think more games should approach the subject of sexuality from the perspective of a 13 year old boy.

As opposed to BioWare's approach of sexuality from the perspective of a 90 year old afraid of nudity and sex?

[Nerevar-as]

Mihura wrote...

Well I like The Witcher, love the books and I am now hype for the second but no, Bioware should never, never turn to the witcher for advise in that area. One of the bad things about the game to me was the sex cards which was pretty dumb and juvenile. Although not all the fans are 12 years old kids in the Witcher forum, some are not that friendly when you discuss this issue they really like to insult people if you do not agree with them. The only sex scene well done was the ME 1.

Or you could play without asking every woman around into bed. Although a few times not even that worked... hope TW2 is what they promise.
To me the best sex scene was The Prince and Farah from Sands of Time, and you saw less than ME1.

[Ziggeh]

Soul Reaver wrote...

As opposed to BioWare's approach of sexuality from the perspective of a 90 year old afraid of nudity and sex?

Yeah, see, my analogy wasn't an exaggeration, while yours is a massive one.

[Chaia]

Khayness wrote...

"although said in middle-earth-esque English accents, they come off a lot more sophisticated."
Stereotypes ftw.

LOL yeah, I didn't know know there were "sophisticated" ways of saying those words

Modifié par Chaia, 07 février 2011 - 06:36 .

[Mihura]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Mihura wrote...

Well I like The Witcher, love the books and I am now hype for the second but no, Bioware should never, never turn to the witcher for advise in that area. One of the bad things about the game to me was the sex cards which was pretty dumb and juvenile. Although not all the fans are 12 years old kids in the Witcher forum, some are not that friendly when you discuss this issue they really like to insult people if you do not agree with them. The only sex scene well done was the ME 1.

Or you could play without asking every woman around into bed. Although a few times not even that worked... hope TW2 is what they promise.
To me the best sex scene was The Prince and Farah from Sands of Time, and you saw less than ME1.

Well I played without asking every woman but that is not the point, the point is the concept behind the sex card not the nude pictures, the Pokemon feeling I got from them was really bad and hyper OOC for Geralt, at lest to me.

Modifié par Mihura, 07 février 2011 - 06:39 .

[Tamahome560]

I'm not going to comment much on this case but yeah after ME1 Bioware does seem to tone down the sexual content in their games however they did add things like homosexual relationships (at least in Dragon Age).

[Quercus]

I don't think it's Bioware's fault though, I believe it has to do with selling as many copies as possible. And even though it's M rated, parents in general are more inclined to let their child play the game if it just contains violence, while sexuality in games rubs them in the wrong direction.

That's also one of the reasons why I hope The Witcher 2 will become a major success with sales. because this might convince EA to loosen the rope a bit on Bioware.

The best games come from passionate developers, and while I'm not saying that Bioware is passionless (heck, I believe they burst with passion), they are limited to make use of it.

Modifié par Shiroukai, 07 février 2011 - 10:30 .

[Phoenixblight]

Shiroukai wrote...

I don't think it's Bioware's fault though, I believe it has to do with selling as many copies as possible. And even though it's M rated, parents in general are more inclined to let their child play the game if it just contains violence, while sexuality in games rubs them in the wrong direction.

Sorry Bioware is playing it as a safe M because they don't want to offend parents that allow their kid to play a rated M game which requires a people over the age of 17 to buy? Very unlikely.  


Rating M is a M is a M there are no tiers of it. There are no soft M to medium M or Hardcore M. And the last game had Broodmothers which had full frontal nudity not even a murmur about it from anyone. No one is playing it safe just for the sake of the kids that may play it. The Ratings are there for a reason if parents don't look at the ratings its their fault no matter how they slice it. 

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 07 février 2011 - 10:43 .

[AlanC9]

Tamahome560 wrote...

I'm not going to comment much on this case but yeah after ME1 Bioware does seem to tone down the sexual content in their games  

Of course,  ME1 was a huge step up from what was in earlier Bio games. Having done that once, should Bio have committed to doing it forever?

[Russalka]

Electronic Arts happened after Mass Effect.

[Quercus]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...

I don't think it's Bioware's fault though, I believe it has to do with selling as many copies as possible. And even though it's M rated, parents in general are more inclined to let their child play the game if it just contains violence, while sexuality in games rubs them in the wrong direction.

Sorry Bioware is playing it as a safe M because they don't want to offend parents that allow their kid to play a rated M game which requires a people over the age of 17 to buy? Very unlikely.  


Rating M is a M is a M there are no tiers of it. There are no soft M to medium M or Hardcore M. And the last game had Broodmothers which had full frontal nudity not even a murmur about it from anyone. No one is playing it safe just for the sake of the kids that may play it. The Ratings are there for a reason if parents don't look at the ratings its their fault no matter how they slice it. 

You tell it them parents.
No matter how hard you scream M is M, children get their hands on violents games easier then ones with sexual content. And the guys who sell it knows it too.