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[Atakuma]

Russalka wrote...

Electronic Arts happened after Mass Effect.

Dante's Inferno was an EA game, and there was tons of nudity in that, so I don't see how EA has anything to do with this.

Modifié par Atakuma, 07 février 2011 - 10:48 .

[Phoenixblight]

Shiroukai wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...

I don't think it's Bioware's fault though, I believe it has to do with selling as many copies as possible. And even though it's M rated, parents in general are more inclined to let their child play the game if it just contains violence, while sexuality in games rubs them in the wrong direction.

Sorry Bioware is playing it as a safe M because they don't want to offend parents that allow their kid to play a rated M game which requires a people over the age of 17 to buy? Very unlikely.  


Rating M is a M is a M there are no tiers of it. There are no soft M to medium M or Hardcore M. And the last game had Broodmothers which had full frontal nudity not even a murmur about it from anyone. No one is playing it safe just for the sake of the kids that may play it. The Ratings are there for a reason if parents don't look at the ratings its their fault no matter how they slice it. 

You tell it them parents.
No matter how hard you scream M is M, children get their hands on violents games easier then ones with sexual content. And the guys who sell it knows it too.

Again they aren't going to start making a softer version of Ms to protect kids that may play it. THats the reason why the rating system was created to INFORM parents about the content if their child somehow gets a violent or a game with partial nudity thats simply parents not doing their jobs. It is in no way or form the publisher/developers job to protect those kids.  

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 07 février 2011 - 10:53 .

[NKKKK]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Bioware is still weak in this. They only make a big words, but in reality its pretty sucky, even DA:O was totally dumb. I mean dark medieval age, and girls are wearing underwear????(that did`t happen until 19th-20th century). It should either made it properly or don`t make it at all. In Mass Effect, it was still pretty weak, but at least Liara was`t wearing pants and bra during whole 'mating ritual'.

Bioware got a still much to learn from Witcher.

Dragon Age and Thedas is a fictitious setting, and doesn't necessarily have to conform to anyone's version of "reality" except ours.

Look at stanley being all "your face"

[Quercus]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...

I don't think it's Bioware's fault though, I believe it has to do with selling as many copies as possible. And even though it's M rated, parents in general are more inclined to let their child play the game if it just contains violence, while sexuality in games rubs them in the wrong direction.

Sorry Bioware is playing it as a safe M because they don't want to offend parents that allow their kid to play a rated M game which requires a people over the age of 17 to buy? Very unlikely.  


Rating M is a M is a M there are no tiers of it. There are no soft M to medium M or Hardcore M. And the last game had Broodmothers which had full frontal nudity not even a murmur about it from anyone. No one is playing it safe just for the sake of the kids that may play it. The Ratings are there for a reason if parents don't look at the ratings its their fault no matter how they slice it. 

You tell it them parents.
No matter how hard you scream M is M, children get their hands on violents games easier then ones with sexual content. And the guys who sell it knows it too.

Again they aren't going to start making a softer version of Ms to protect kids that may play it. THats the reason why the rating system was created to INFORM parents about the content if their child somehow gets a violent or a game with partial nudity thats simply parents not doing their jobs. It is in no way or form the publisher/developers job to protect those kids.  

Lad, read my first post again. I never said that Bioware is protecting the little sweeties. I said that EA makes more money with toned down sexuality. Because children gets their hands on violence games easier then ones that contains sexuality. here a little schematic; adult + dragon age = 1 sold copy.  adult + kid + dragon age = 2 sold copies. Although I know not every kid will get it, it should still however bring the point across. And just because you start with the M rating again. M ratings don't magicaly stop children from playing it. They are just a warning.

Modifié par Shiroukai, 07 février 2011 - 11:03 .

[Phoenixblight]

Shiroukai wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...

I don't think it's Bioware's fault though, I believe it has to do with selling as many copies as possible. And even though it's M rated, parents in general are more inclined to let their child play the game if it just contains violence, while sexuality in games rubs them in the wrong direction.

Sorry Bioware is playing it as a safe M because they don't want to offend parents that allow their kid to play a rated M game which requires a people over the age of 17 to buy? Very unlikely.  


Rating M is a M is a M there are no tiers of it. There are no soft M to medium M or Hardcore M. And the last game had Broodmothers which had full frontal nudity not even a murmur about it from anyone. No one is playing it safe just for the sake of the kids that may play it. The Ratings are there for a reason if parents don't look at the ratings its their fault no matter how they slice it. 

You tell it them parents.
No matter how hard you scream M is M, children get their hands on violents games easier then ones with sexual content. And the guys who sell it knows it too.

Again they aren't going to start making a softer version of Ms to protect kids that may play it. THats the reason why the rating system was created to INFORM parents about the content if their child somehow gets a violent or a game with partial nudity thats simply parents not doing their jobs. It is in no way or form the publisher/developers job to protect those kids.  

Lad, read my first post again. I never said that Bioware is protecting the little sweeties. I said that EA makes more money with toned down sexuality. Because children gets their hands on violence games easier then ones that contains sexuality. here a little schematic; adult + dragon age = 1 sold copy.  adult + kid + dragon age = 2 sold copies. Although I know not every kid will get it, it should still however bring the point across.

And what I said is relevant. EA is not going to tone it down to sell to kids. DO I have bring up Dead Space 2 ad campaign thats clearly aimed for 13 year old and the game is obviously not for kids. They didn't tone anything down, infact they turned up the violence from the first one. 
Same goes for Dante's Infernal lots and lots of nudity in that. 

[Russalka]

Atakuma wrote...
Dante's Inferno was an EA game, and there was tons of nudity in that, so I don't see how EA has anything to do with this.

They have different markets.

[Merci357]

Russalka wrote...

Atakuma wrote...
Dante's Inferno was an EA game, and there was tons of nudity in that, so I don't see how EA has anything to do with this.

They have different markets.

There are plenty of recent and upcoming EA games with nudity or partial nudity rating. DA2 is not among them. I'd say it's a deliberate design decision by BioWare, EA clearly has no problem with it.

[Atakuma]

Edit: refer to Merci's post

Modifié par Atakuma, 07 février 2011 - 11:15 .

[Russalka]

Do boobies really hurt the sales, then?



Ugh, now I imagined them investing all those resources into the huge cleavages human women now have.

[JrayM16]

Merci357 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Atakuma wrote...
Dante's Inferno was an EA game, and there was tons of nudity in that, so I don't see how EA has anything to do with this.

They have different markets.

There are plenty of recent and upcoming EA games with nudity or partial nudity rating. DA2 is not among them. I'd say it's a deliberate design decision by BioWare, EA clearly has no problem with it.

QFT

[Phoenixblight]

Russalka wrote...

Do boobies really hurt the sales, then?

Ugh, now I imagined them investing all those resources into the huge cleavages human women now have.

No if anything it does the opposite. When FOX attacked Bioware it infact increased the sales for Mass Effect. 

[Angel of Nessus]

I think I finally have an explanation for why parents are so against sexuality in video games when violence is so much more deserving of scorn.



You see, people are cheap by nature- they don't usually want to spend any more on something than they absolutely have to (some individuals may be spendthrift, but they are irrelevant here).



Now, the theory is that offering exposure to controversial actions and topics in most any media will have some adverse effect on young minds, yes? GTA will make kids want to kill hookers, Talia romance in ME1 would make people want to gay sex everything (I'm not kidding, look up some of the criticisms), etc. I think that from a parent's viewpoint, violent themes might culminate in a school fight for the kid. Kid gets suspended, parent grounds them and tells them violence is bad, yaddayaddayadda. Easy to fix, right?



Well, with SEXUAL themes made available to youngsters, a parent is probably afraid that instead of a schoolyard fight, the kid will be getting into something considerably more fun and probably involving another young member of the opposite sex. The kid is unaware of the risks, and BAM- Johnny Jenkins is stuck with 18 years of responsibility, and he aint even 18 yet.



And the parents are the ones who have to provide for it.



/thread

[AustinKain]

I am just glad to see that DA2 is getting a M rating and not something lower.

[NKKKK]

Angel of Nessus wrote...

I think I finally have an explanation for why parents are so against sexuality in video games when violence is so much more deserving of scorn.

You see, people are cheap by nature- they don't usually want to spend any more on something than they absolutely have to (some individuals may be spendthrift, but they are irrelevant here).

Now, the theory is that offering exposure to controversial actions and topics in most any media will have some adverse effect on young minds, yes? GTA will make kids want to kill hookers, Talia romance in ME1 would make people want to gay sex everything (I'm not kidding, look up some of the criticisms), etc. I think that from a parent's viewpoint, violent themes might culminate in a school fight for the kid. Kid gets suspended, parent grounds them and tells them violence is bad, yaddayaddayadda. Easy to fix, right?

Well, with SEXUAL themes made available to youngsters, a parent is probably afraid that instead of a schoolyard fight, the kid will be getting into something considerably more fun and probably involving another young member of the opposite sex. The kid is unaware of the risks, and BAM- Johnny Jenkins is stuck with 18 years of responsibility, and he aint even 18 yet.

And the parents are the ones who have to provide for it.

/thread

It's a good thing they're not allowed to buy till seventeen right?

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Great. Can't wait to see FOX News blow this out of proportion.





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Modifié par xXSnak3Eat3rXx, 08 février 2011 - 02:47 .

[marshalleck]

You did what I see there, and I smirked.

[elearon1]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...Bioware is still weak in this. They only make a big words, but in reality its pretty sucky, even DA:O was totally dumb. I mean dark medieval age, and girls are wearing underwear????(that did`t happen until 19th-20th century). It should either made it properly or don`t make it at all. In Mass Effect, it was still pretty weak, but at least Liara was`t wearing pants and bra during whole 'mating ritual'. 

The best love scenes done in a Bioware game to date were in ME1, agreed.

But, are you seriously complaining because you didn't get to see fully nude versions of your companions in Dragon Age?  You cannot honestly tell me this is an issue of historical accuracy - it is not like they were wearing wrist watches ... they were wearing undergarments, because the only real purpose to providing fully nude models is to excite the eager young male audience who just can't wait to see Leliana's "boobs".  (Not to say I would have minded, either, but it was hardly an issue)

Besides which, you know if the models don't come out nude it'll take a week before someone provides a mod to fix that - and there you go.  In the mean time, the erotic fan art will be coming out just about as fast, so you will not have to go without. (heck, you can probably find some floating around already) 

Being mature enough not to fear nudity also means your mature enough not to demand it be provided for you on tap.  (though, with the internet, it basically is ... man, when I grew up we had to learn about these things the old fashioned way - by stealing our parents' adult magazines) 

[Nic-V]

Angel of Nessus wrote...

I think I finally have an explanation for why parents are so against sexuality in video games when violence is so much more deserving of scorn.

You see, people are cheap by nature- they don't usually want to spend any more on something than they absolutely have to (some individuals may be spendthrift, but they are irrelevant here).

Now, the theory is that offering exposure to controversial actions and topics in most any media will have some adverse effect on young minds, yes? GTA will make kids want to kill hookers, Talia romance in ME1 would make people want to gay sex everything (I'm not kidding, look up some of the criticisms), etc. I think that from a parent's viewpoint, violent themes might culminate in a school fight for the kid. Kid gets suspended, parent grounds them and tells them violence is bad, yaddayaddayadda. Easy to fix, right?

Well, with SEXUAL themes made available to youngsters, a parent is probably afraid that instead of a schoolyard fight, the kid will be getting into something considerably more fun and probably involving another young member of the opposite sex. The kid is unaware of the risks, and BAM- Johnny Jenkins is stuck with 18 years of responsibility, and he aint even 18 yet.

And the parents are the ones who have to provide for it.

/thread

This is probably true, at least in America, land of the paranoid parents o_O