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Stinkface27

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Sorry for the vague title, I didn't want to make it too spoiler-y!

I am just having a hard time understanding what happened in my epilogue, and I was hoping somebody here might know. I've read every relavent Wiki page and I've had a look through the forums and I still can't really figure out what I've done wrong.

I've just completed a play-through where I have tried to set Alistair up as sole monarch, no Queen. According to everything I've read, I've taken the right steps. I backed Alistair and I had him kill Loghain himself. After the Landsmeet, Alistair imprisoned Anora and that was that.

Yet in my Epilogue, it still reads:
"Alistair remained in Denerim with his love for a time, much to Queen Anora's dicomfort.."

:?
What did I do wrong? Or is this just always how it is phrased?

Thank you in advance for any help!

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It's bug with the eppy cards. (there are quite a few) If you have the game on PC then there are mods that can fix them for you. my recommendation: ZDF dialog fix.

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Thank you, Verly! I will definitely grab that mod. This isn't the first play through that I've thought some things were really off, so that'd be really handy.



I was planning on continuing on to Awakenings with this play-through so I hope the bug is just in the cards and not the data? I don't want Anora turning up again...she should..stay in her dungeon. >_>

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I think it's only in the eppy card. I don't think she'll show up (I can't be totally sure because I don't have the expansion)

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I'll know for sure soon enough! Thanks again for your help :)

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Yeah, that seems to be the Alistair's mistress epilogue.

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Stinkface27 wrote...

Thank you, Verly! I will definitely grab that mod. This isn't the first play through that I've thought some things were really off, so that'd be really handy.

I was planning on continuing on to Awakenings with this play-through so I hope the bug is just in the cards and not the data? I don't want Anora turning up again...she should..stay in her dungeon. >_>

I got the bugged epilogue slide and Anora was nowhere to be seen in Awakening.

Thank the Maker!  LOL

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I married Alistair and somehow this also appeared, random is random. Everything was fine in Awakening for me as well. ;)

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Stinkface27 wrote...

I'll know for sure soon enough! Thanks again for your help :)


She won't show up. She only shows up if she is solo queen or married to the Warden.

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I think Cmess' IRS-Alistair fixed this bug for me months ago so I haven't seen it in a long, long time. I concur. My mage mistress never saw hide nor hair of the harpy. I'm hoping she decided not to accept him as king and he had to queen of hearts the witch but most likely she saw the wisdom of admitting she lost and went back with her tail tucked between her legs to Gwaren.

No sign of her in Amaranthine and no epilogue card either.

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Wow......so much hatred for one woman. Even wishing execution upon her. Charming.

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Persephone wrote...

Wow......so much hatred for one woman. Even wishing execution upon her. Charming.


And yet... somehow I doubt Anora's feelings will be hurt... ;)

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Sabariel wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Wow......so much hatred for one woman. Even wishing execution upon her. Charming.


And yet... somehow I doubt Anora's feelings will be hurt... ;)


That wasn't my point. I am sure that Anora couldn't care less, as a good ruler should. I simply find it telling that people wish they could execute her, yet condemn her for executing Alistair. (With good reasons)

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Persephone wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Wow......so much hatred for one woman. Even wishing execution upon her. Charming.


And yet... somehow I doubt Anora's feelings will be hurt... ;)


That wasn't my point. I am sure that Anora couldn't care less, as a good ruler should. I simply find it telling that people wish they could execute her, yet condemn her for executing Alistair. (With good reasons)


And I've seen just as much venom and hypocrisy come from people who like to crab about Wynne and Loghain being hypocritical/venomous/jerks. Hypocrisy rules among the fans and the anti-fans. Indifference to or acceptance of this fact will make life much easier.

Modifié par Sabariel, 07 février 2011 - 05:46 .


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Thanks for the help, everyone! :) I'm relieved I didn't mess something up along the way. And even more relieved that I won't be bumping into Anora in Awakenings ;)



Sorry, but I don't like her at all and I don't feel bad about it at all. lol

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Persephone wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Wow......so much hatred for one woman. Even wishing execution upon her. Charming.


And yet... somehow I doubt Anora's feelings will be hurt... ;)


That wasn't my point. I am sure that Anora couldn't care less, as a good ruler should. I simply find it telling that people wish they could execute her, yet condemn her for executing Alistair. (With good reasons)


I had a good reason, i was working with her then the stupid woman decided to side back with her dad. Reload and with my new powers of perception and foresight had her imprisoned, after which i assume the tower was knocked over by the arch demon or something.

Anora is a scheming manipulator, why wouldn't you put her out of the picture if you had half a brain and was poised to run a kingdom. 

Plus its pretty contrite to condemn someones character for something they did in a game and you have a serious lack of reality if you think its in anyway indicative of what that person is like. If anything all I read in this thread is that some people have problems with the game not matching up with how they played it/wanted it to go and 1 person who's character I can accurately assess as judgemental and narrow minded, neither of which assumptions made from any in game decision they have made


PS Im a Vorcha and I know Gavorns tricks

Modifié par Stranglebat, 07 février 2011 - 08:52 .


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Stranglebat wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Wow......so much hatred for one woman. Even wishing execution upon her. Charming.


And yet... somehow I doubt Anora's feelings will be hurt... ;)


That wasn't my point. I am sure that Anora couldn't care less, as a good ruler should. I simply find it telling that people wish they could execute her, yet condemn her for executing Alistair. (With good reasons)


I had a good reason, i was working with her then the stupid woman decided to side back with her dad. Reload and with my new powers of perception and foresight had her imprisoned, after which i assume the tower was knocked over by the arch demon or something.

Anora is a scheming manipulator, why wouldn't you put her out of the picture if you had half a brain and was poised to run a kingdom. 

Plus its pretty contrite to condemn someones character for something they did in a game and you have a serious lack of reality if you think its in anyway indicative of what that person is like. If anything all I read in this thread is that some people have problems with the game not matching up with how they played it/wanted it to go and 1 person who's character I can accurately assess as judgemental and narrow minded, neither of which assumptions made from any in game decision they have made


PS Im a Vorcha and I know Gavorns tricks


She only turns on you in that regard if you tell her you won't support her and/or kill her father. Or if you don't talk to her at all. She is a politician as well as a loving daughter, I cannot blame her for either. I always make her queen because she knows how to scheme and manipulate.

Condemn whose character? I'm not condemning anyone's character as this isn't about them personally but in game behavior.

And I love Vorchas!!:happy::lol:

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Same way potential energy turns into kinetic energy, potential betrayal turns into kinetic betrayal.



I don't want none of Anora's kinetic betrayal.

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I think it's not a matter of whom you like more, but who would make a better ruler. Ferelden had been stable before the blight -- no warring factions, good diplomatic relations with other countries... Anora was a good ruler. I think pairing her with Alistair makes for a good kingdom as he is more compassionate towards the people (even hardened he gets to know his subjects personally) whereas Anora can run the country well.



Best pairing, I hate to say, is Anora + HNM. Alistair + HNF seems to be a feel good, but I don't get a sense that Ferelden is run well, just that Alistair knows his people and either everyone knows how much he adores his bride or everyeone sees his wife as their savior and ruler and love her.

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I can hate Anora, (she is in fact one of those 'fun to hate' npcs for me). Didn't stop me from marrying her twice, hitching her to Alistair twice (once on a mistress, once on a HNM). Nor does it stop me on half my playthroughs leaving her on the throne the other half put Alistair there (as solo rulers). She makes an excellent queen once Loghain is removed from the equation (either as a GW or executed).

It really doesn't matter which monarch holds the reins of the kingdom. In the end, Ferelden is pretty okay after the game events. I certainly didn't see anything about it becoming a smoking ruin in the epilogue on my games so i am going to assume everything went okay.

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Hmmm, while no mention is made anywhere of a smoking ruin, Anora's solo slides and Anora+HNM slides all seem to be more positive for Ferelden. I think there's civil war coming no matter what, though.



Going from the WH map, it seems that what will end up giving the most stability to Ferelden is destroying both Redcliff and sending Eamon back there.



I'm sure none of it makes a real difference, though.



Oh, and just to veer back OT, the mention of Queen Anora in the epilogue slide where Alistair's in love and you stay in Denerim, while not technically a bug as there IS no alternative slide so that is the slide meant to trigger, I did fix in ZDF.

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Haven't played any of the DLC past Awakenings so I can't really say what's going on in them. For me (since I only have played a Queen Cousland and an Orlesian in Awakenings) the game usually 'ends' with the Post Coronation scene where you say goodbye to all your friends.

And those slides were all positive for either ruler, neither does a 'bad job' though admittedly Anora + Alistair or Anora solo are the best. I think one line is rather telling in the HNM paired with Anora in that 'they will usher in a golden age IF they can keep from fighting over the throne' kind of keeps in the back of my head that the future isn't as rosy on that combo as it seems.

I can't imagine any Alpha male just sitting back and being eye candy at political functions and letting his wife run the show cause she sure as heck isn't going to budge an inch off that throne once she has it let alone share ruling responsibilities. I can't see any Cousland who marries Anora for the purpose of ruling with her as being an Omega.

Hence, makes me believe things won't be as rosy with a male Cousland. Esp if the prince consort ends up following a certain swamp witch through the looking glass.

But then, it's all speculation anyway I could be barking up the wrong tree totally, just the impression I get from the events of the game. When DA2 comes out I think my first run won't be an import but a completely virgin game so I can see what Blizzard's "canon" take on everything is going to be.

It's also why I played an Orlesian in Awakenings, just to see what their world would be if PC hadn't affected things.

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I agree, no one does a bad job -- I don't think I said that either. I said the best seems to be Anora+HNM and Alistair+Anora. Anora solo is also positive. Alistair is more focused on the individual people while Anora is more focused on Ferelden as a whole.

Anora+HNM do have a good slide, possibly Ferelden entering a new Golden Age if they don't fight too much over power. Nothing suggests, though, that a male CousCous is going to be just eye candy -- just that things will be fantastic if they can find that balance between them.  People wouldn't be speculating about it being a new golden age if things weren't going really REALLY well, even with the power push between them.

Now, if you do go to WH, then the mirror ending, especially with a HNM, ends up the same as Anora solo. Though honestly, a King CousCous makes no sense going through the mirror if you look at the Origins epilogue cards.

Then again, they didn't care much about the epilogue cards.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 février 2011 - 05:57 .


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sylvanaerie wrote...
I can't imagine any Alpha male just sitting back and being eye candy at political functions and letting his wife run the show cause she sure as heck isn't going to budge an inch off that throne once she has it let alone share ruling responsibilities. I can't see any Cousland who marries Anora for the purpose of ruling with her as being an Omega.


A false dichotomy, based on the simplistic categorization of males into two groups.

One can be ambitious without being excessively so and realize that Anora is good at her job. If one only cares about ambition, then yea I wouldn't expect much cooperation. But if it's ambition mixed with a genuine concern for Ferelden's interests, then cooperating with Anora is much more likely to happen and the awakening epilogue hints at a rapprochement. 

Cooperation is possible between two ambitious leaders who both care about their country and are allied by marriage. It will require an informal and formal division of labor.  Anora is good at administration and bureaucratic affairs, something that a Cousland is less likely to be good at. My Cousland, though highly ambitious, has no problems admitting that. The Cousland's forte however is the army.  

In addition, the Cousland Consort can be the Teyrn of Gwaren, making the only 2 Ternirs Cousland possessions. That is a lot of power and a perfect backup to make sure that Anora wouldn't just ignore the Cousland. She can't affored to lose support from those 2 Ternirs. Add the fact that the Cousland can go to Awakening and can amass not only huge popularity, but can also clean house and eventually have his friend Nathaniel put in place as an important bann (since Esmerelle dies, he can have Amaranthine city).

So even if Anora doesn't want to share any sort of power whatsoever (At least initially), she wouldnt' be stupid enough not to realize that alienating the immensely popular Cousland is not in her interests. So I do not see any indication whatsoever that Anora wouldn't want to share some power with the Cousland  (then again, those who say that generally percieve Anora as being purely motivated by ambition only).  Not only does the Awakening epilogue hint at a possible rapprochement, the political situation in Ferelden virtually removes the option of alienating the Cousland (if he isn't stupid and weak).  She can't afford it when Redcliffe is increasing in power and the Bannorn is still being the troublesome thorn in Ferelden's back. Unless of course the Cousland is an unsubtle impatient greedy brute.

Furthermore, the Cousland + Anora Origins epilogue says that if they cooperate, they are going to usher in a Golden Age. It says cooperate, not "Cousland has to bend to her will on everything and let her run the show". If the Coulsand does nothing, then it's the Anora solo epilogue, which does not mention a golden age like the Cousland + Anora. So evidently cooperation is more than just Anora on her own.  
Anora will always have more formal power than the Cousland, she is the Queen regnant. However, the Cousland can have a substantial amount of formal power (2 Ternirs, Consort, army..etc) AND informal power (connections with various groups / nobles, if played correctly economic leverage, popularity...etc) and can be very active. 

So the Anora + Cousland pairing does not necessarily need a passive "omega" Cousland for it to work. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 08 février 2011 - 03:43 .


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ejoslin wrote...
Now, if you do go to WH, then the mirror ending, especially with a HNM, ends up the same as Anora solo. Though honestly, a King CousCous makes no sense going through the mirror if you look at the Origins epilogue cards.

Then again, they didn't care much about the epilogue cards.


If you check Vigil\\'s keep in the WH map, it says that WH is happening 2 and a half years after Awakening (yes not what they originally said). It's not implausible that the Cousland gets some work done, gets closer to anora, sets up good foundations and then leaves.

But then again, a King Cousland still disapears in the Awakening epilogue, so meh. Better leave with Morrigan and try to alter the future, then just disapear for no reason.