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[JKoopman]

I've got three characters. I'd like for at least one of them to side with Morinth over Samara for the sake of variety but, for the life of me, I just can't figure any logical RP reason to do so. Even for my Renegade Shepard, it just seems irrationally evil.

They're both evenly matched in strength, so Morinth isn't bringing anything extra to the team, and Samara is already sworn to your service via her Oath (and will be doubly loyal once you help her complete her mission) whereas Morinth's motivations and loyalty are questionable at best. She's also proven herself to be a homocidal sociopath, and the Normandy only has room for one of those. *cough* You might as well bring a rabid varren aboard and expect it to behave itself.

It just seems like a completely unnecessary and nonsensical risk no matter which way I look at it.

[Harmless Crunch]

Because she is a more interesting character ?

[Rogue Unit]

Other than to be a dick or for the lolz? No.



I've never killed Samara, even on my renegade runs.

[Katamariguy]

Just for the sake of having dominate.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Just to be a complete and utter douche.... I believe.



But perhaps if you kill Samara, the Asari find out about it somehow in ME3, and because Shepard purposefully contributed to the death of one of their justicars, they become rather reluctant to help out humanity against the Reapers? Just speculating...

[Khayness]

If you are Renegade, Samara will go after you, Morinth aswell (if you know what I mean), but you can counter her easily.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Katamariguy wrote...

Just for the sake of having dominate.

^This

Dominate is a very fun and amusing power and is well worth it. I think you can unlock it then re-load and pick samara and it stays unlocked but I never verified this.

Also she has some dialog on the SR2 as well where she explains a bit about how she sees things.

[jeweledleah]

didn't Samara also swear to you that once her prior oath to you is discharged, she will kill you? (assuming you're playing a renegade) I figured that was a good enough reason to get rid of her before it comes to that and just figure out what to do about Morinth afterwards?

[Captain_Obvious_au]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Just to be a complete and utter douche.... I believe.

Pretty much, at least for my renegade Shep. Mind you, I felt really, really bad about it since Samara is a very well-written and sympathetic character.

Of course in terms of loyalty etc it doesn't really matter, since the aim of my renegade Shep is to get all but two of my squaddies killed in the final mission anyway.

[Ileanos07]

Samarra also promised that if you dont "behave" she will kill you after the mission... So it is actually logical to kill her if you play extremely renegade.

[PauseforEffect]

DarkSeraphym had an interesting argument for choosing Morinth in the "Which Renegade choices are likely to bite you" thread. The reasoning is as people have already stated, but also the danger Samara might pose towards teammates of questionable intent. Also, though I don't believe it, there was a thought that Morinth will only go after Shepard instead of the teammates and with looser morals will have no reason to hunt them down later.

Personally, would you want a serial killer who's made a 400 year practice of lying and manipulating an art form on your ship?

[volus4life]

morinth is funnier. thats about it.

[CroGamer002]

If you are Renegade Samara says to you she will kill you after of she meets you ever again once her oath is over.

[terrordactyl1]

jeweledleah wrote...

didn't Samara also swear to you that once her prior oath to you is discharged, she will kill you? (assuming you're playing a renegade) I figured that was a good enough reason to get rid of her before it comes to that and just figure out what to do about Morinth afterwards?

That's a very good reason to pick Morinth.

[caradoc2000]

Morinth is romanceable unlike Samara.

[Hathur]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Morinth is romanceable unlike Samara.

As long as you don't mind an instant-death STD...

[Bogsnot1]

Dominate. Just like AI hacking, but works on meatbags.

[Zacarius2]

From a role playing point of view: only if you are a truely evil bastard and believe Samara will come after you. But even she has no problem simply murdering criminals, so the occasional renegade response doesn't bother her.

From a gameplay point of view: dominate is a cool, if somewhat limited power to play with. Group dominating collectors on a platform and watching three of them turn on Harbringer is hilarious. I always shout " ASSUMING CONTROL" when I do that to them.

But honestly I have only picked Morinth once in all my play throughs. I honestly believe she is one of those too dangerous to live type characters.

[naledgeborn]

When does Samara threaten to kill you? My Renegade meter is pretty high ~ 95% but my Paragon is at ~ 110% taking inflation into account. Do I have to be more Renegade than Paragon? She also says that were friends and that she'll come for me when I call assuming she survives the mission.

[desonnac00]

If you're into dominatrix...

Or if you're naive and think Bio will let you 'Know' Samara.

[philiposophy]

naledgeborn wrote...

When does Samara threaten to kill you? My Renegade meter is pretty high ~ 95% but my Paragon is at ~ 110% taking inflation into account. Do I have to be more Renegade than Paragon? She also says that were friends and that she'll come for me when I call assuming she survives the mission.

Yes, it's only determined by having a higher renegade score than paragon. Which is kinda silly since Samara's code judges purely by actions and the game implements this... by supposed ideology. A predominantly paragon could make a choice (or choices) that violate the code and still get the "I'll come for you when you need me" speech. Shame.

Anyway as for the topic, the conversation about Samara warning or commending Shepard only occurs after her loyalty mission, iirc, thus invalidating that as an excuse to pick Morinth. Shepard might be wary of Samara but won't have anything concrete at this point. Which is annoying because I wouldnt mind at least one game to import with Morinth in but I just can't rationalize it. Grr.

[Bogsnot1]

She does give you a warning during her recruitment mission, just after she swears fealty to you. You know, when she's glowin, down on one knee, and you're thinking to yourself "While you're down there hur hur hur"

[F00lishG]

No, there is no exact reason to get Morinth, but if you're Renegade, keeping Samara around would be bad business for your health in ME3.



For me I don't like the idea of Space Vampires running around for another 600 years so for my Renegade playthrough I was going to kill them both. Kill Samara/replace Morinth, and have Morinth offed on the Suicide Mission. See, you can still be a hero!

[LordJeyl]

Morinth murdered Nef. I would never choose her.

[Haristo]

Morinth is a good character to choose if you are a Renegade.