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[Augustei]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Problem with Bhelen is he is a very cruel man. Harrowmont seems to be sticking up for Tradition which is not a good thing but you cannot really determine he is an evil or bad person unless you give him the anvil.

I wouldn't say "cruel." Ruthless? Murderous? Yes. But do we ever see him enjoying someone else's pain? I can't remember any instances.

You witness his henchmen killing someone as soon as you enter Orzammar, his right hand man has papers that are forged, without metagaming, it's not logical to select him for the throne.  When you make Harrowmount king, Bhelem attacks you which is even more proof that he's a bastard and that Harrowmount was the right choice, without metagaming of course.

Yeah I agree

[ArawnNox]

XxDeonxX wrote...

My Charecter wont commit evil himself, but is willing to let things slide that will have an evil outcome.. Sounds weird I know. Im sort of basing him off Bailian from Kingdom of Heaven... I know he was a person in real life but im reflecting my charecter of the fictional Bailian

So which King would someone chose if they cannot do any evil. But are willing to accept Evil outcomes

Actually, the history is surprisingly accurate. The court DID try to marry historical Balian to the Queen of Jerusalam, but not because Guy was a warmonger. Guy was a weak willed man controled by his mother and Ranald de Chatillion.


Onto the topic in question:
Before this turns into a Behlen vs. Harrowmont debate, if you look at what is given to you, without knowing the outcome, Harrowmont comes off as the guy you want to work for since, he himself is lauded as a decent and honorable man. Digging deeper makes you realize that he supports a system that is choking Orzammar militarily and socially. Which is where some of the awesome moral ambiguity comes in.

On the topic of running to the Tower for the Fade Ritual is tough. It makes sense to deal with it then and there since it's dicey to run off when the demon possessed Connor could do almost anything (this would have been a moment for a cut-scene where you leave some members on guard and then get the mages). However, the thing that irked me to no end was Alistair chewing you out for anything other than getting the mages. Its a total "I read the script" moment in the dialogue that made me mad.

I think the Ultimate Sacrifice is probably the "more noble" option for an ender, but then, in my "straight arrow good guy" game I let Loghain kill the archdemon because of the plea he made ontop of Fort Drakon.

just my 2 coppers

[Chigusa]

My first Warden, who was a "good alignment" Dalish elf, started working for Bhelen but then found out that the documents given by him are false, that he's a playboy and that the last King's words about Bhelen not taking the throne were true. So when she came with the crown she chose Harrowmont.

My second Warden, a human mage, saw how H. fled during the confrontation with Bhelen and chose Bhelen over Harrowmont as he looked more strong-willed than his rival. He's ruthless, but he can achieve what he wants. Apart from that tradition etc (she accepted to become a Warden just to get out from the tower)is something which makes my mage puke (tooo tired of Templars, Circle-prison etc).