Im hoping Sniper in the ME3 teaser is an N7. That is if he is a squadmate. Something you have in common with instantly. It be good way to discuss Alliance military structuring in more detail and of course the details of Special Forces training.
As you say the information with have now is brief and there is a lot you can speculate from it.
How much do we know about N7?
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The Delta Force/Sayeret Matkal analogy is my personal fannon now. I've always felt Infiltrator Shepard is a bit like a Scout Sniper though - and Vanguard is more like a Search and Rescue commando.SandTrout wrote...
I always figured that N7 were more akin to Delta Force which recruits the best from all other SOCOM branches. The other N1-6 would make up the equivalent of modern day Rangers, EOD, Scout Snipers, Search and Rescue, SEALs and other elite occupations with varying levels of training. Special Forces is a very broad term, and has varying levels of competence within it.
Though not specifically mentioned, Alenko is probably an N(I'd guess 3-5), and Jenkins may have been an N(probably only 1-3) as well. Ashley Williams is probably infantry, not special forces, so she would not be an N designate.
For me Kaidan is N5 (sounds better than N6 for some reason). Ashley was definitely not spec ops - she's regular stationed on Eden Prime.
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From Mass Effect: Revelation I know that the N7 trained at Arcturus Accademy and that Captain/Councillor David Anderson was a graduate as a Lieutenant.
Thanks for the info! I assume the Arcturus Academy is on Arcturus Station? That could explain Shepard's close relationship with Admiral Hackett, who is stationed at the Station.
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Some of them got to be N1~6!Palathas wrote...
SAS, SEALS, etc, etc, are all Earth-centric. N7 is all of the above and more, a conglomerate of all special forces.
Alliance, all current special forces are the basis of N7.
That's very interesting! Did you get this from some acquaintances in the spec ops? How do they cross train? Is there some contest (like an Olympics) between those different branches?aeetos21 wrote...
According to current US army standards
Rangers fulfill the same role as SEALs do. Green Berets used to be more
of the special operations assault but now they are used more for
training foreign fighters. As for which is the best? They all special
warfare teams cross train with each other so who is better than who
comes down more to what they had for breakfast or how much sleep that
got the previous night. Simple.
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I do hope for an N7 squadmate too. But I thought Big Ben was confirmed to *not* appear as a squadmate?Captain Crash wrote...
Im hoping Sniper in the ME3 teaser is an N7. That is if he is a squadmate. Something you have in common with instantly. It be good way to discuss Alliance military structuring in more detail and of course the details of Special Forces training.
As you say the information with have now is brief and there is a lot you can speculate from it.
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Damn no love for PJs (Pararescue)? They're uzi packing brain surgeons. My buddy Bean is a PJ. And no there isn't an "Olympics", at the basic level all combat training is the same. What changes is what you're going into combat for. And cross training means your switching jobs.
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Yo. Just don't have us jury-rig a railgun to use a girder as ammo to break into a Reaper interstellar comm station.iOnlySignIn wrote...
Kai's name remind me of Kai Allard-Liao (anyone get the reference?).
From how it's described in the Codex, any Special Forces troops would be under the "N" designator. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of secondary code that gives you a closer career field. You'd have a slightly different ones for different enviroment, or mission.
For example, in the US Army, Military Occupational Specialty takes the form of a three chracter combination. The first two are numbers-the first one is roughly what general arm you're in (combat arms, combat support, combat service support), the second is more of a general area you're in, and the third is a specific code. As an exmple, 18A is a Special Forces Officer, while 68W is for enlisted combat medics.
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The Delta Force/Sayeret Matkal analogy is my personal fannon now. I've always felt Infiltrator Shepard is a bit like a Scout Sniper though - and Vanguard is more like a Search and Rescue commando.SandTrout wrote...
I always figured that N7 were more akin to Delta Force which recruits the best from all other SOCOM branches. The other N1-6 would make up the equivalent of modern day Rangers, EOD, Scout Snipers, Search and Rescue, SEALs and other elite occupations with varying levels of training. Special Forces is a very broad term, and has varying levels of competence within it.
Though not specifically mentioned, Alenko is probably an N(I'd guess 3-5), and Jenkins may have been an N(probably only 1-3) as well. Ashley Williams is probably infantry, not special forces, so she would not be an N designate.
For me Kaidan is N5 (sounds better than N6 for some reason). Ashley was definitely not spec ops - she's regular stationed on Eden Prime.
I want to say Ash is/was B4, so I guess 'B' is a line infantry soldier. I don't think Kaidan's designation was ever shown or talked about.
Now, that being said, based on the fact that the VS (be it Kaidan or Ash) was assigned to Horizion as part of a secret mission with broad espionage and political implications, I don't think it's out of line to assume that the VS made the switch to Special Ops/NX while Shepard was "asleep."
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Yay Battletech! [High Five]thompsmt wrote...
Yo. Just don't have us jury-rig a railgun to use a girder as ammo to break into a Reaper interstellar comm station.iOnlySignIn wrote...
Kai's name remind me of Kai Allard-Liao (anyone get the reference?).
For example, in the US Army, Military Occupational Specialty takes the form of a three chracter combination. The first two are numbers-the first one is roughly what general arm you're in (combat arms, combat support, combat service support), the second is more of a general area you're in, and the third is a specific code. As an exmple, 18A is a Special Forces Officer, while 68W is for enlisted combat medics.
The three letter designation is very interesting information. And my, the last digit go all the way to W?
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"X" seems to be the maximum in job code, but "Z" is used for Senior NCO's (i.e. Master Sergeants, First Sergeants, and Sergeant Majors).
The letter is just an identifier, with no real significance to the uninitiated.
The letter is just an identifier, with no real significance to the uninitiated.
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I wonder if the Virmire survivor will be N7 in ME3?
It's interesting that you should mention this......I heard people say that they have seen pics of Ashley Williams wearing N7 armor. I've also read various rumors about the VS being a SpecTRe in ME3....that would be very interesting indeed.
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It's interesting that you should mention this......I heard people say that they have seen pics of Ashley Williams wearing N7 armor. I've also read various rumors about the VS being a SpecTRe in ME3....that would be very interesting indeed
As Jenkins put it " When a Spectre goes rogue, the council sends another Spectre to take them down. That's Spectre justice!"
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In one of the news pieces, it is mentioned that an N7 strike team on the SSV Ain Jalut raid a batarian orbital mirror factory
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Nice! I wish we have the option to taken them out in that case. I like Ashley, but I like killing other SpecTRes (Saren, Vasir) a LOT more. Most satisfying kills ever. Perhaps the most satisfying moments ever. Beats killing a Thresher Maw or a Reaper by a million times in my book.Prince of Kemet wrote...
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I wonder if the Virmire survivor will be N7 in ME3?
It's interesting that you should mention this......I heard people say that they have seen pics of Ashley Williams wearing N7 armor. I've also read various rumors about the VS being a SpecTRe in ME3....that would be very interesting indeed.
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Has anyone noticed that "N7" is just 777?
N is the 14th letter in the alphabet and it is made up of two 7's.
N is the 14th letter in the alphabet and it is made up of two 7's.
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I don't think Kaidan's designation was ever shown or talked about.
I wonder if biotics have their own military occupational speciality within the Alliance military.
Unless of course they go on to become Spec Ops like Shep, in which case their speciality would change to N7.
It's interesting that you should mention this......I heard people say that they have seen pics of Ashley Williams wearing N7 armor. I've also read various rumors about the VS being a SpecTRe in ME3....that would be very interesting indeed
I think Shep should run into at least one Spectre who is an ally, whether or not that character is on his squad. So far every Spectre he has encountered since Nihlus has been an enemy. It would be cool to meet a Spectre who isn't a traitor for a change.
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Nice! I wish we have the option to taken them out in that case. I like Ashley, but I like killing other SpecTRes (Saren, Vasir) a LOT more. Most satisfying kills ever. Perhaps the most satisfying moments ever. Beats killing a Thresher Maw or a Reaper by a million times in my book.
I'd rather take the opportunity to **** about the Council with my fellow spectre
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777? The Boeing airliner?MrDizaztar wrote...
Has anyone noticed that "N7" is just 777?
N is the 14th letter in the alphabet and it is made up of two 7's.
Shepard can be a Biotic, but still N7.Aedan_Cousland wrote...
I wonder if biotics have their own military occupational speciality within the Alliance military. Unless of course they go on to become Spec Ops like Shep, in which case their speciality would change to N7.
I think Shep should run into at
least one Spectre who is an ally, whether or not that character is on
his squad. So far every Spectre he has encountered since Nihlus has been
an enemy. It would be cool to meet a Spectre who isn't a traitor for a
change.
I get the sense that SPECTREs always operate alone. Perhaps N7s do not. Anyways, Shepard seems to be the only SPECTRE who operates with specialists close to their own calibre around. Nihlus is certainly a loner, judging from Samara's description of him.
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Nice! I wish we have the option to taken them out in that case. I like Ashley, but I like killing other SpecTRes (Saren, Vasir) a LOT more. Most satisfying kills ever. Perhaps the most satisfying moments ever. Beats killing a Thresher Maw or a Reaper by a million times in my book
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I get the sense that SPECTREs always operate alone. Perhaps N7s do not. Anyways, Shepard seems to be the only SPECTRE who operates with specialists close to their own calibre around. Nihlus is certainly a loner, judging from Samara's description of him.
Nihlus seemed to accept the idea that Saren had been sent to help him out at Eden Prime. We know Spectre candidates seem to be sent out with an existing Spectre while being evaluated
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N is special forces, it only denotes what your specialization leans towards, not any sort of skill level. the way i see it, the letter says what you were trained to do it, the number says how well you did. I think that only academy grads get their code, folks who just enlisted don't. I want there to be a novel or something that follows a N7 squad. that'd be cool. also, I'd like the rest of the alphabet to be spoken for, it bugs me that it isn't. does anybody know why N7? there has to be a reason Bioware picked that letter and that number.
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I get the sense that SPECTREs always operate alone. Perhaps N7s do not. Anyways, Shepard seems to be the only SPECTRE who operates with specialists close to their own calibre around. Nihlus is certainly a loner, judging from Samara's description of him.
Spectres sometimes work groups of 2 or 3, according to the codex: http://masseffect.wi...ctic_Government
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Shepard can be a Biotic, but still N7.
If there is a seperate MOS for biotics, the way it would work is that upon graduation from the training program for his occupational speciality (combat biotic?) a biotic would be classified under the code denoting a biotic. If he or she then went on later to be selected for, and completed the Alliance Spec Ops training program, the MOS would change to denote that.
This is the way it works in the real world military.
For example in the US Marine Corps a basic infantryman is an 0311. 03 denotes infantry, and the 11 denotes a rifleman. If later on in his career the rifleman has met all the prerequisite qualifications for, and completes the training programs for both battalion Recon, and then Force Recon, his MOS would be 0326. 03 of course still represents infantry, and the 26 is the designation for Reconnaissance Man, Parachute and Combat Diver Qualified.
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Makes sense. Garrus can certainly qualify as Spectre, and there are other squadmates who can qualify (or should I say overqualify).AwesomeName wrote...
Spectres sometimes work groups of 2 or 3, according to the codex: http://masseffect.wi...ctic_Government
That's very interesting information. Also supports the notion of VS becoming an N7/Spectre.Aedan_Cousland wrote...
If there is a seperate MOS for biotics, the way it would work is that upon graduation from the training program for his occupational speciality (combat biotic?) a biotic would be classified under the code denoting a biotic. If he or she then went on later to be selected for, and completed the Alliance Spec Ops training program, the MOS would change to denote that.
This is the way it works in the real world military.
For example in the US Marine Corps a basic infantryman is an 0311. 03 denotes infantry, and the 11 denotes a rifleman. If later on in his career the rifleman has met all the prerequisite qualifications for, and completes the training programs for both battalion Recon, and then Force Recon, his MOS would be 0326. 03 of course still represents infantry, and the 26 is the designation for Reconnaissance Man, Parachute and Combat Diver Qualified.
