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[James2912]

Yeah that frustrated me it seems no matter what Xen sends you a nasty email. I hope Overlord and all the DLCs have a big effect on gameplay but thats far from certain. I do think it is possible that we will be given an option to side with the Quarians against the geth and that might involve enslaving/brainwashing them. It seems this is foreshadowed a lot in ME2. Unfortunately I don't think the Geth will become Cerberus stormtroopers, I mean I hope for the option (imo the more options in ME3 the better) but you don't usually get 3 choices for a big decision.

[jbblue05]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Xen is unsupportable in ME2 and will thus likely become a villain. Overlord is non-bridging DLC and the odds of it playing a major role seem low.

Daro'Xen has one of the sexiest voices out there. I don't think she'll be a villian. I actually understand her views on Geth.

She sends you an antagonistic and ominous email no matter what you do. She doesn't exactly scream "Friend" to me.

In my dreams she does. LOL I'm just messing around, but I wish we could have sided with her in Tali's Loyalty mission.

You sort of can. Hand over the evidence and tell the judges they should still use the data.
Dano Xen will later tell you "I see you remember our talk and favor success for the Quarian race".
It might be a bug because she sends you the same  e-mail no matter what

[Xilizhra]

LOTSB is going to play a huge role. I wouldn't be suprised if Project Overlord does also

LotSB is bridging DLC, intended to show what happens in ME3. Overlord is not.

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

LOTSB is going to play a huge role. I wouldn't be suprised if Project Overlord does also

LotSB is bridging DLC, intended to show what happens in ME3. Overlord is not.

Project Overlord is a HUGE decision. It might be canon that you Rescue David but you don't get an e-mail if you didn't purchase Overlord.

LOTSB only has one ending so it won't matter if you buy it or not..

[Aigyl]

Xen is certainly going to be a bad egg in ME3.

I will not be surprised however if she gives the option to turn the Geth into mindless slaves all over again.

Guarantees their co-operation against the Reapers just to be sure, more effective as dispensable shock troopers as they're not going to be concerned about being put into certain-death scenarios, and strengthens humanity's place in the galaxy if the Quarians can be persuaded to share.

But alas, Legion. I just know that lovable Geth Infiltrator is going to persuade me that the Geth should keep their awesome factor. I'll guess I'll have to shoot Morrigan Xen. Bah.

[Xilizhra]

Exactly; you won't have to play the extra content to enjoy ME3. Overlord would be another choice, and harder to add for those who are buying ME3 alone; I don't think Overlord will have any importance. I think that canonically, the research will be a useless dead end.

[AdmiralCheez]

OP: Naw, bro. Geth are tricky little bastards and attempting to mind-control stuff tends to end badly. Better to blow them up and take their weapons.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I don't think humanity deserves the Geth as tools. I think the Quarians should have them back.

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

Exactly; you won't have to play the extra content to enjoy ME3. Overlord would be another choice, and harder to add for those who are buying ME3 alone; I don't think Overlord will have any importance. I think that canonically, the research will be a useless dead end.

Its possible Bioware could crap on that decision and make it irrelevant.  It would ****** a lot of people off that pay $7 on Overlord only for it to have no relevance to the plot.
I don't think the research will be a dead end they were making breakthroughs.  But its Bioware's story not yours or mines 

[James2912]

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

James2912 wrote...

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

For me, the Geth belong to the Quarians (who know them best). The humans might make the same mistake as the Quarians did, while the Quarians, who already went throught that, more than likely won't.

[James2912]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

For me, the Geth belong to the Quarians (who know them best). The humans might make the same mistake as the Quarians did, while the Quarians, who already went throught that, more than likely won't.

Well its certainly your choice in your playthrough, in mine though I would keep them for humanity. 

[Xilizhra]

jbblue05 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Exactly; you won't have to play the extra content to enjoy ME3. Overlord would be another choice, and harder to add for those who are buying ME3 alone; I don't think Overlord will have any importance. I think that canonically, the research will be a useless dead end.

Its possible Bioware could crap on that decision and make it irrelevant.  It would ****** a lot of people off that pay $7 on Overlord only for it to have no relevance to the plot.
I don't think the research will be a dead end they were making breakthroughs.  But its Bioware's story not yours or mines 

They did it for Bring Down the Sky.

[jbblue05]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

For me, the Geth belong to the Quarians (who know them best). The humans might make the same mistake as the Quarians did, while the Quarians, who already went throught that, more than likely won't.

This is why I think Cerberus should try to recruit Dano Xen.
Cerberus has a different approach to controlling the Geth and sdoes Dano Xen.  Best of Both Worlds

[Vaenier]

James2912 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

For me, the Geth belong to the Quarians (who know them best). The humans might make the same mistake as the Quarians did, while the Quarians, who already went throught that, more than likely won't.

Well its certainly your choice in your playthrough, in mine though I would keep them for humanity. 

I wonder. Would you consider the Heretics evil? The Reapers? Would you consider the Geth evil for enslaving the galaxy and using humans as slaves for manual labor?

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Exactly; you won't have to play the extra content to enjoy ME3. Overlord would be another choice, and harder to add for those who are buying ME3 alone; I don't think Overlord will have any importance. I think that canonically, the research will be a useless dead end.

Its possible Bioware could crap on that decision and make it irrelevant.  It would ****** a lot of people off that pay $7 on Overlord only for it to have no relevance to the plot.
I don't think the research will be a dead end they were making breakthroughs.  But its Bioware's story not yours or mines 

They did it for Bring Down the Sky.

Or they could be saving it for ME3 or VS DLC.
Project Overlord has a bigger impact on stopping the Reapers and human dominance.  While BDTS is something post reaper-war like the Alliance going to war with the Batarian Hegemony

[James2912]

Vaenier wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

For me, the Geth belong to the Quarians (who know them best). The humans might make the same mistake as the Quarians did, while the Quarians, who already went throught that, more than likely won't.

Well its certainly your choice in your playthrough, in mine though I would keep them for humanity. 

I wonder. Would you consider the Heretics evil? The Reapers? Would you consider the Geth evil for enslaving the galaxy and using humans as slaves for manual labor?

No because I consider such labels as evil useless. What one being person considers evil the next considers necessary. My job is to look out for me and mine. There job is to look out for them and theres. Evil is a relic, its a religious term signifying that there is a real truth out there. Who decides what is good and evil the answer is its subjective which makes the term useless. Unless you believe God decides which is within your right but you can't expect everyone to believe what you and I believe. Added on to that the Geth are machines if I don't brainwash them the Reapers or the Quarians will. 

Especially since this is a fantasy world. 
If this were the real world... well that doesn't matter because its not.

Modifié par James2912, 08 février 2011 - 01:36 .

[Vaenier]

James2912 wrote...

No because I consider such labels as evil useless. What one being person considers evil the next considers necessary. My job is to look out for me and mine. There job is to look out for them and theres. Evil is a relic, its a religious term signifying that there is a real truth out there. Who decides what is good and evil the answer is its subjective which makes the term useless. Unless you believe God decides which is within your right but you can't expect everyone to believe what you and I believe.

Yay, agreement. Respect +5.

Added on to that the Geth are machines if I don't brainwash them the Reapers or the Quarians will.

Still think you are racist though.

[James2912]

Vaenier wrote...

James2912 wrote...

No because I consider such labels as evil useless. What one being person considers evil the next considers necessary. My job is to look out for me and mine. There job is to look out for them and theres. Evil is a relic, its a religious term signifying that there is a real truth out there. Who decides what is good and evil the answer is its subjective which makes the term useless. Unless you believe God decides which is within your right but you can't expect everyone to believe what you and I believe.

Yay, agreement. Respect +5.

Added on to that the Geth are machines if I don't brainwash them the Reapers or the Quarians will.

Still think you are racist though.

haha:P well my shep is "racist" towards the geth.

thanks for the +5

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[Ramirez Wolfen]

James2912 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

For me, the Geth belong to the Quarians (who know them best). The humans might make the same mistake as the Quarians did, while the Quarians, who already went throught that, more than likely won't.

Well its certainly your choice in your playthrough, in mine though I would keep them for humanity. 

And that's totally fine. Actuallly, I can see it your way and mine.

[James2912]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

For me, the Geth belong to the Quarians (who know them best). The humans might make the same mistake as the Quarians did, while the Quarians, who already went throught that, more than likely won't.

Well its certainly your choice in your playthrough, in mine though I would keep them for humanity. 

And that's totally fine. Actuallly, I can see it your way and mine.

Yes it is! and  I can see it your way too, its just I romanced Liara, if I romanced Tali then yeah her homeworld would take the place of a ring lol!

[Stryfe16]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Life is not about what you deserve its about what you can take especially if you are not born as part of the top 10% of the galaxy or if you are a nation/species.

For me, the Geth belong to the Quarians (who know them best). The humans might make the same mistake as the Quarians did, while the Quarians, who already went throught that, more than likely won't.

Well its certainly your choice in your playthrough, in mine though I would keep them for humanity. 

And that's totally fine. Actuallly, I can see it your way and mine.

Even with the Overlord project I seriously doubt humanity could ever possess the Geth. Even worse Wolfen, you say that the Quarian are not destined to make the same mistakes in trying to reclaim their now sentient former servants. Merely by trying to reclaim them or destroy them, they are repeating the mistakes of the past. Daro'Xen is a madwoman, even Tali can see that. Most likely any experiments she tries to perform will end up much like Rael'Zorah, with nothing to show for it but more dead quarians. I have huge doubts about the Bioware even giving you the choice to enslave the Geth, really wouldn't make much sense. If anything the story probably would center around Daro'Xen attempting that, becoming a villain (or hero, I suppose, if you feel that sentient machines deserve to be enslaved). Either way enslaving the Geth seems like a poor idea overall, and one destined to end in failure, as the term evil probably could apply to enslaving a sentient race.

[Blansten]

Vaenier wrote...

Actually, it is not fact that any virus would even work. All testing has been done on small scale groups of Geth, not an entire collective. The Geth have enough computing power between them to beat anything, and their super structure, even partly completed, would be more powerful than the rest of the galaxy's computers combined. Even the Reaper virus is not absolute, and is actually the easiest of them all to beat.
Anyway, no. Killing an entire race and replacing them with slaves is so far beyond evil that it is no where close to Renegade. That option should never even be presented because of how blatently evil it is. Renegade was suposed to be about getting the job done, making the hard choices. Not killing trillions of sentient beings in order to turn them into slaves to make humans the rulers of the galaxy... What has happened to this game...

This. The idea of enslaving a sentient group to serve our own needs is not a Renegade choice it is a Sith choice and belongs in a different game ... The Old Republic maybe.

[V-rex]

.... aaaaaaannnnd any argument you guys ever had to demonize the geth for 'not trusting' organics just fell down fifty three stories and landed on its head.



No, I would NOT enslave them. They are machines, but they are also sentient, capable of complex thought and are eager to learn about the galaxy as well as developing genuine signs of emotion. Geth are not just mindless drones or tools to be used. Not anymore, and I'm actually kind of disgusted that people talk about them as such.



I see no reason why the Geth wouldn't be willing to help Shepard in the fight against the Reapers, Legion came along for that exact reason. The Geth have just as much to lose if the Reapers win as any other race in the galaxy, and they know that. Hence I see no reason why we have to brainwash them or enslave them at all.

They are ready and willing, if Legion is any indication, I'd rather see them join us because of free will, not because we forced them to.



Brainwashing and enslavement is NOT a justifiable thing to do. And I know that I'm a paragon so my opinion might be coming from an admitted philanthropic bias but still here's a logical reason to go with it as well:

The Geth would fight back. Any attempt to brainwash a race on as massive a scale as the population of the True Geth would only result in the complete destruction of the people trying to do it. If billions of Quarians couldn't succeed at doing it, what honest chance do you think you have?

The Geth would fight back, having now learned once and for all that they should only ever regard organics with fear and distrust.



All that we will have done is lost a potential ally against the Reapers and permenantly destroyed an entire race in the process, I don't care what stance anyone makes about them being 'ideal storm troopers'... they can be 'ideal storm troopers' who sided with us willingly you know.