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[USArmyParatrooper]

She is the one, single companion between Origins and Awakening that gets under my skin. My impression is she has a huge chip on her shoulder and you have to walk on egg shells when you talk to her so you don't lose approval. Whatsmore, even dialog that results in favorable approval usually gets a negative response from her.

I don't doubt other players may like her, but I'm wondering how she would do in a poll. (No poll option I can see).

So do you like her? 

[caradoc2000]

In Awakening, Justice and Sigrun were OK while Oghren and Velanna were tolerable.



I always hang Nathaniel and give Anders to the templars.

[Ninotchka]

Nope, not one iota.



I kept her once but after that have always had no hesitation killing her or letting her go. With the Keeper talents available through a book in Amaranthine, she's a pretty redundant character imo.

[ddv.rsa]

I actually liked her. Velanna brought back many happy memories of playing BG and of Viconia in particular. Every time she opened her mouth with some nasty comment I couldn't help but feel nostalgic. Probably not the best reason to like a character, but there you go.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 07 février 2011 - 11:13 .

[Xilizhra]

I like Velanna, personally, or at least the idea of her. I haven't played Awakening, so I don't quite know.

[HolyAvenger]

Yeah I like her too. If you call her on her bs, and allow her a chance at redemption, there's a very strong story arc there of her getting past her prejudices. That said, she's a blatant murderer at the start (no different to Sten or Zev or etc) so ymmv on whether you can look past that. The epilogue slide about her saving a human village was the best one I read and one that actually had an emotional impact on me.

[BroBear Berbil]

Well, it's 2 for 2 on disliking Elven companions. Whereas I didn't care for but could tolerate Zev I can't stand Velanna at all. I've tried to like her but I just can't do it. She's got the biggest chip on her shoulder and a lot of the time I tell her to f*** off once I'm done with the Silverite Mines. There's no good reason to recruit her.



If you do recruit her then you pretty much have to cater to her constantly just so that she'll turn into a half-decent Warden and person. She's completely delusional when it comes to her sister as well.

[errant_knight]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

She is the one, single companion between Origins and Awakening that gets under my skin. My impression is she has a huge chip on her shoulder and you have to walk on egg shells when you talk to her so you don't lose approval. Whatsmore, even dialog that results in favorable approval usually gets a negative response from her.

I don't doubt other players may like her, but I'm wondering how she would do in a poll. (No poll option I can see).

So do you like her? 

Under your profile pic, you'll see 'My Content' after 'What's New' and 'Profile.' One of the options under content it 'Polls.' Go there and you can make one and post the link. Make sure you get it right the first time, because you won't be able to edit it once it's created as far as I know.

Re: Velanna. I didn't like her at all. I thought she was violently, dangerously insane. Sadly, I though we'd have a better option to deal with her than we did, so I ended up recruiting her as a superior option to letting her go with no supervision. Next time I'll kill her right off the bat, because I don't think the wardens need someone who's that much of a potential liability.

Modifié par errant_knight, 08 février 2011 - 02:45 .

[errant_knight]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Yeah I like her too. If you call her on her bs, and allow her a chance at redemption, there's a very strong story arc there of her getting past her prejudices. That said, she's a blatant murderer at the start (no different to Sten or Zev or etc) so ymmv on whether you can look past that. The epilogue slide about her saving a human village was the best one I read and one that actually had an emotional impact on me.

Really? That's possible? Hmm. I may have misjudged her. Still...wacko.

[Shinobu]

caradoc2000 wrote...

In Awakening, Justice and Sigrun were OK while Oghren and Velanna were tolerable.

I always hang Nathaniel and give Anders to the templars.

Wow, I'd go insane without Nate and Anders. Running around with the two of them and Sigrun is great.

Velanna annoys me. I recruited her on both playthroughs but left her in the Vigil the second time through and enjoyed myself much more.

[IanPolaris]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Yeah I like her too. If you call her on her bs, and allow her a chance at redemption, there's a very strong story arc there of her getting past her prejudices. That said, she's a blatant murderer at the start (no different to Sten or Zev or etc) so ymmv on whether you can look past that. The epilogue slide about her saving a human village was the best one I read and one that actually had an emotional impact on me.

I dislike her and I dispute there is any real story arc with her let alone a strong one.  It is very hard to get approval with her, and she is worse than Sten or Zev because even when proven wrong, she shows absolutely no remorse about her cold-blooded murders.  If she shows no remorse, then as far as I'm concerned she should die (and now I generally do just kill her).  Sten does show remorse or at least regret, and Zev more than once does consider the morality of his profession at the very least and at least once does show regret.

Even to get the "redemption" epilog, you have to doom thedas to the darkspawn by saving the Architect, and that's a step way too far to 'redeem" Velena.  She dies when I play because she deserves to die, bottom line.

-Polaris

[Ninotchka]

I may have misjudged her as well, but she really doesn't give you much to work with, and quite frankly, although I generally play a "good" warden, I don't want to put up with every possible companion's baggage. As a warden, I've got my own crap to deal with, I'm not there to help all of them (in particular the ones I dislike) realise their full potential.

Gee, perhaps I should nominate myself for Compassionate Warden of the Year 2011

[HolyAvenger]

IanPolaris wrote...

I dislike her and I dispute there is any real story arc with her let alone a strong one.  It is very hard to get approval with her, and she is worse than Sten or Zev because even when proven wrong, she shows absolutely no remorse about her cold-blooded murders.  If she shows no remorse, then as far as I'm concerned she should die (and now I generally do just kill her).  Sten does show remorse or at least regret, and Zev more than once does consider the morality of his profession at the very least and at least once does show regret.

Even to get the "redemption" epilog, you have to doom thedas to the darkspawn by saving the Architect, and that's a step way too far to 'redeem" Velena.  She dies when I play because she deserves to die, bottom line.

-Polaris

I never found it a problem to get approval with her. I guess it depends on how you RP your PCs because while I never agree with what she did, I did sympathise with her reasons (and the treatment of elves in Thedas in general). I tried to point how the Dalish would not really have behaved too differently if they had the power, for example, and I tried to get her to become a strong Dalish role model. Stand up for her when you meet her clan. Generally, like any other companion, treat them nice and get approval.

While I can't remember an exact dialogue of the top of my head about remorse, that was the general sense I got from the game- which is backed up by the epilogue slide imo. Ohh, all that and I killed the Architect. There was only a -3 or so approval drop. So no, you don't have to doom Thedas or anything (even though I think its perfectly valid for her to show so much concern for Seranni).

That said, I completely understand why a lot of people don't like her. I do because unlike some of the other Awakenings characters she feels like she has a lot of layers/depths as a character.

[Sabariel]

She's a moo. I never kill her for various reasons, but I don't much like her either.

[rwscissors702]

I kept her once, never again. I consider her worse than Loghain. I felt bad killing him, that racist b**** needs to die.

[IanPolaris]

HolyAvenger,



I am very sure that you can NOT get the good Velana ending unless you spare the Architect. Otherwise the best you get is "arguing with you for years". Perhaps I am jaded but I never see any sign of regret or remorse over her descisions nor does she even admit that she made the wrong decision for the wrong reasons (and trying to point that out always nets you large dissaproval).



In addition, the woman just grates on me. That in addition to the fact she is an unrepentant mass murderer is sufficient cause IMO to get capital punishment.



-Polaris

[HolyAvenger]

I assure you IanPolaris, I killed the Architect AND got the human-village-saved ending.



Of course, we all have personal biases for and against certain characters. That's BioWare for ya!

[Isaidlunch]

I got the "saves a human village" slide on my Warden who killed the Architect, in addition to the "Velanna hates you because she's selfish and only cares about finding her sister" slide. Possibly a bug?



I liked Velanna a lot. She did something extremely dreadful but she's not an evil person. She's been raised to hate and distrust humans and lost the one thing that mattered to her. That doesn't excuse what she did, far from it, but she's somewhat willing to change her views on humans if your Warden gives her the chance. As for not being regretful, I believe that's just because of the way Velanna is. She learns from her mistakes and moves on. To me her future actions (eg saving the human village) speak for themselves. Plus the situation with her sister, as depressing as it was, showed that Velanna really does have a caring side to her.



I can see why some people hate Velanna. I guess I just have a different view on her.

[Xilizhra]

Is caring about her sister selfish?

[errant_knight]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I assure you IanPolaris, I killed the Architect AND got the human-village-saved ending.

Of course, we all have personal biases for and against certain characters. That's BioWare for ya!

Yep, and can see the same actions and traits in remarkably different ways. That akes some pretty brilliant characterization.

[Isaidlunch]

Xilizhra wrote...

Is caring about her sister selfish?

Not at all. But trying to convince the Warden to save the Architect just so she might see her sister again and then blaming him/her for making a decision that is much more important than one single person despite all he/she has done for Velanna (depending on the Warden's actions) does IMO count as selfish. It's understandable but still selfish.

[HolyAvenger]

errant_knight wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I assure you IanPolaris, I killed the Architect AND got the human-village-saved ending.

Of course, we all have personal biases for and against certain characters. That's BioWare for ya!

Yep, and can see the same actions and traits in remarkably different ways. That akes some pretty brilliant characterization.

Indeed. Which is why I always feel compelled to playthrough the story of each character at least once. Never know what gems you're missing out on.

[errant_knight]

HolyAvenger wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I assure you IanPolaris, I killed the Architect AND got the human-village-saved ending.

Of course, we all have personal biases for and against certain characters. That's BioWare for ya!

Yep, and can see the same actions and traits in remarkably different ways. That akes some pretty brilliant characterization.

Indeed. Which is why I always feel compelled to playthrough the story of each character at least once. Never know what gems you're missing out on.

Agreed. I'm still working through them. This one is my attempt to get Oghren before Redcliffe and the Brecillian forest.

[Xilizhra]

Kazanth wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Is caring about her sister selfish?

Not at all. But trying to convince the Warden to save the Architect just so she might see her sister again and then blaming him/her for making a decision that is much more important than one single person despite all he/she has done for Velanna (depending on the Warden's actions) does IMO count as selfish. It's understandable but still selfish.

Saving the Architect can have some non-sister justifications, if that helps.

[Persephone]

caradoc2000 wrote...

In Awakening, Justice and Sigrun were OK while Oghren and Velanna were tolerable.

I always hang Nathaniel and give Anders to the templars.

But...but....WHY? :(